The Books of Enoch.
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When you say Daniel, Isaiah, and Jeremiah are minor Prophets and suggest they quoted Enoch?
That is not true.
In Judaism it is "ruach ha-kodesh" or a writing(or other) that a person was inspired in one way or another to say,do write ect. The same terminology is how they explain why the writings we call "Daniel" are not considered "Prophets" in the Cannon by them (they consider Daniel as ketuvim/writings) https://www.chabad.org/library/arti...t-the-Book-of-Daniel-Part-of-the-Prophets.htm
why is it not Inspired? Just because it was added? all 66 books were added, why is not Enoch the inspired word of God how does one come to that conclusion?
Cool!
I am asking for reasons other than how I view the Book of Enoch.
I am against no side here other than to see what I can formulate in my own little view of both sides.
I believe there is a side to Enoch's Prophesy that is 100% Inspired.
I don't believe it's necessary that the Prophesy of Enoch came from the book of Enoch but from what he taught his son Methuselah that was passed down.
that is assumed it was taught and passed down, If you don't know where it came from how can you say it is prophecy? when all of the Major prophets have said it before the Enoch writings? Inspired by God and saying a truth is not the same thing.
All God's authors are all Truth 100%. Enoch is not 100% Truth, Jude is.
I disagree, I think it is of the utmost importance to know the full truth of each writer of the bible and those who are seen as inspired by God or possibly the word of God left Out. And I do not believe we can say from the standard of what we do know of the Word of God to say Prophesy are 100% inspired because Enoch can't even be said HE said it. LOL On the shelf next to Josephus
It's not inspired because Mesopotamia was a swamp legends passage way to myths that existed around that time like [The Gilgamesh flood myth] came after the Flood of Noah.
Nothing specific when spoken about Enoch in our Bible indicates what Jude wrote came from a Book, it indicates Oral Tradition. But nonetheless, Oral Tradition, they believe like Gospel. So that is my point I've been trying to make for 7 pages here. That Prophesy From Enoch is indeed Inspired by God ,and inspired by God for Jude to add it. The Prophecy is Inspired, not the Book!
First of all, JUDE, does not tell us where this knowledge originates from, he just writes the Prophecy down. Yes, but by Jude being Inspired Word of God, what he writes was also inspired to write like this Prophecy of Enoch. And since Jude reveals this Prophecy of Enoch is a [true and accepted Prophecy], he validates the Prophecy itself as True. Keeping Enoch as a Just man who Prophesied and Jude one day wrote it down.
it is not inspired because God has not inspired it.
The word of God is inspired because God made it so, not man saying it is so.
It God who keeps his word and placed it above His name. When you look at the 66 Books and look at scriptures in the light of other scripture Enoch doesn't cut the mustard.
We know Enoch is a Righteous man that in our Bible reveals God showed him things unlike no other since then, with exception to the Major Prophets, Minor Prophets, 3/4 Gospels, Revelation concerning Second Coming/Armageddon.
We know Enoch was told to pass these things he learned from what he was revealed by God to his son, who continued these oral traditions till Jude put ink to them.
We know Enoch was so pure and Righteous he never physically died and was taken up by God.
It's not like I am attaching this Prophecy to someone less than, I am attaching it to What God Himself states about Enoch.
The book itself, that's not my viewpoint at all.
We know that Jude's words are known to be the word of God because they are inspired. Secondly, Jude said much in his writing that had nothing to do with Enoch's perceived writing. I would also note Jude was addressing three major errors and sins that Enoch never spoke about.
1. The Way of Cain
2. The Error of Balaam
3. Korah Rebellion
Cain spoke with God, Balaam prophesied, and Korah was in the Priestly Line of Levi.
their sin is noted: Enoch in the word of God is " he walked with God and was no more" .
The Enoch whose writing is between Malachi and Matthew proves it is not the same Enoch. That is somewhat deception even if there is some truth to what is written
Just like Cain spoke with God, Balaam prophesied and Korah was a Levite.
The man Enoch and the writer of the books of Enoch are not the same people. On the shelf.
the very book names after the man who is found in Genesis in context to who and what he did is only in six verses.
Yet you have to look outside of the word of God to make what Enoch said to be inspired by God from a person who wrote it who was not Enoch so you would know what is thought to be the words of Enoch, who Enoch never wrote it.
The 2 verses of Scripture I presented to you where you replied to Luke, was from Jesus. He quoted 4 verses and said, Ye have HEARD, [or] Ye who have Read. He did not use this is Scripture. So Christ's example where He uses NO SCRIPTURE reference is just as equal to when He did in Luke.
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Try learning proper English punctuation, and try keeping your comments relevant to the thread topic.