The curse of the law
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DesiredHaven
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No, just basing an assessment from your own stance.
False witnesses did rise up; they laid to my charge things that I knew not.Nothing against you although,From your statements you show to like to engage in conversation, but if challenged or don't agree then seek to recruit others to your side who do agree, then lash out in frustration.Then seem to think it is only God who will judge...yet we are told we will also judge even angels.If you disagree wouldn't it be better to enlighten others as to why you believe the way you dr do you like to only engage in conversations where everyone agrees with you expecting others to cater their behavior to suit yourself?Are you a prophetess?
Agreed. . .I'll trust in the words of God (which I've posted) over the doctrines of men any day.
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newlife7
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I didn't mean to offend anybody, but I have seen on Christian chat that many people are trying to live by both covenants which is impossible to do.
you're so far off I won't even try to cover everything.
DH has addressed some of the errors posted by others, and seen that they do not or cannot correct their errors, let alone admit them. it is as if they have (and likely do) an agenda they are trusting in that is deeper than we can get into on this forum - and it's not worth it anyway, as they defend it, they don't seek to repent of it ..... that's kind of the crux of the issue.
DH admits when she is in error. even when she may not be in error, but thinks she is.(as recently happened).
no, she doesn't lash out inappropriately , not too often anyway, but rightly so if as we others do
getting 'frustrated' with
those other "hidden" agendas that keep on posting as if they are right when they have been clearly shown to be wrong (for some number of weeks now, at least)....
and
it has not been possible to 'correct' things, because the 'hidden' agenda is never revealed(so far)...
there is obviously a "school of religious thought or study" , something of that kind, being posted again and again, and in error, but not always seen for what they are --- the error is sometimes subtle, sometimes obvious, but so far not admitted (the error coming from the 'school', whatever it is --- like maybe it comes from andrew murr... (on tv), or some other web/tv/media propaganda that 'sounds' right and good to some, but is untrue and disastrous to true faith.... even sometimes in older believers because
the
deception is so subtle and can have such bad effects even if it is not revealed nor brought out in the open -- because the deception results in the loss of life, loss of truth, loss of fellowship with GOD (when permitted; remember the deception IS SIN) ... and so on...
DH and others often post in reply to the schools in error, (especially anyone who thinks the rcc in any way is okay, or anything from that evil heresy),
but often, no matter if approached with gentleness or vigor,
they
do not even realize nor admit their error nor the depth of it.
DH has addressed some of the errors posted by others, and seen that they do not or cannot correct their errors, let alone admit them. it is as if they have (and likely do) an agenda they are trusting in that is deeper than we can get into on this forum - and it's not worth it anyway, as they defend it, they don't seek to repent of it ..... that's kind of the crux of the issue.
DH admits when she is in error. even when she may not be in error, but thinks she is.(as recently happened).
no, she doesn't lash out inappropriately , not too often anyway, but rightly so if as we others do
getting 'frustrated' with
those other "hidden" agendas that keep on posting as if they are right when they have been clearly shown to be wrong (for some number of weeks now, at least)....
and
it has not been possible to 'correct' things, because the 'hidden' agenda is never revealed(so far)...
there is obviously a "school of religious thought or study" , something of that kind, being posted again and again, and in error, but not always seen for what they are --- the error is sometimes subtle, sometimes obvious, but so far not admitted (the error coming from the 'school', whatever it is --- like maybe it comes from andrew murr... (on tv), or some other web/tv/media propaganda that 'sounds' right and good to some, but is untrue and disastrous to true faith.... even sometimes in older believers because
the
deception is so subtle and can have such bad effects even if it is not revealed nor brought out in the open -- because the deception results in the loss of life, loss of truth, loss of fellowship with GOD (when permitted; remember the deception IS SIN) ... and so on...
DH and others often post in reply to the schools in error, (especially anyone who thinks the rcc in any way is okay, or anything from that evil heresy),
but often, no matter if approached with gentleness or vigor,
they
do not even realize nor admit their error nor the depth of it.
i think(and hope for the best for your sake) you mean that some people are claiming that others
are
trying to live by both covenants; at least that is much more common.
there are many claiming that others are trying to live by the law, as if to be saved by the law.
often, those same ones making the claims quote "2 commandments" as if the TEN are no longer to
be observed,
never realizing the TRUTH and not being willing to learn the TRUTH (as you've seen on this forum).
are
trying to live by both covenants; at least that is much more common.
there are many claiming that others are trying to live by the law, as if to be saved by the law.
often, those same ones making the claims quote "2 commandments" as if the TEN are no longer to
be observed,
never realizing the TRUTH and not being willing to learn the TRUTH (as you've seen on this forum).
I won't turn down that prayer from anyone.
However, "Physician, heal thyself" keeps ringing in my ears.
yes, we can only pray for your understanding. your mistake and errors are found
in your own words (next)>
and then your apparent contradiction with yourself (below) >>
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I'll trust in the words of God (which I've posted) over the doctrines of men any day. "
Elin "Agreed. . . "
Still do. . .yes, we can only pray for your understanding. your mistake and errors are foundElin said:
in your own words (next)>
and then your apparent contradiction with yourself (below) >>Originally Posted byInSpiritInTruth
I'll trust in the words of God (which I've posted) over the doctrines of men any day. "
Elin "Agreed. . . "
Think I'm seeing tunnel vision here. . .just sayin'.
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yes, well it should. that's exactly what rang in the ears (came out of their mouths) of all those who crucify / crucified JESUS.
interesting that it wasn't a prayer (in the post) for you (though it is now).
since your heart was hardened in the past, up to the present moment, the prayer is certainly needed,
prayed, and hopefully answered positively by yahweh. (he won't necessarily soften your heart or show you mercy,
that's up to him, and he has conditions in HIS WORD that may apply; seek HIM and ask for mercy,
HE IS VERY GOOD at MERCY; but HE is also perfect and just, and hardens your heart as he pleases in line with HIS WORD and HIS PURPOSE in YAHSHUA......
for example of his conditions: as you just previously noted in one of your posts, as long as you trust in yourself, in your study of scripture, or in the study of doctrine,
he will withhold softening your heart until you (repent) and turn to him to trust him.
still do which one ? starting to trust yahweh's word, or still trusting in "word study or doctrinal study"?
inspiritintruth posted in contrast to your post, that he trust yahweh's WORD more than study....
"in contrast" means he and others and DH and I all saw that you declared you trusted in "word study and/or(more in) doctrinal study", which has led to many or most of your error. (or even all of it, the last several weeks at least)
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weakness
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The title of this thread is "The curse of the Law". Yet for a time now we have been ping -ponging Gods Spirit in here. Some of the grace and service of God is, I feel, being lost. I get that an open discussion has moments of debate, but the Nature and demeanor of God should not change. It should be that of Christ Himself. So, off-topic to the thread but on target to the current situation, I want to say what is on my heart:
There are certain fundamental features in the constitution and Character of every person which account for his usefulness and without which no one can be of any use in the service of the Lord.
I have never met anyone who cannot control his body and tongue who can be a good worker for the Lord. Nor have I seen a man who does not have a mind to suffer who can serve the Lord. I have never met a person who fails to listen to others who is good at serving. ALL servants of the Lord have to have certain basic Character traits.
In other words, they must possess such qualifications; They must receive mercy from the Lord to possess these qualities before they can serve the Lord in a proper way. And we are all serving in here now if you post, anything.
Serving the Lord is not simple. A breaking down and building up process is necessary for the outer man. If you are wrong, loose, and undisciplined in many things, you are not qualified to do the Lords work.
We should never despise the training of our Character. If our character and our disposition do not go thru some severe constituting work of the Spirit, we cannot expect much result from our work. and isn't that what we are all in here for?...Fruit! None of the basic training in our character can be overlooked. For if I wish for, hope for, dream of being the Lords worker, I will be constituted in my character.
We have Judgement, separatism,thinking more highly of ourselves than we oughtism, and loose exchanges, that are robbing this room of Gods goals. ................"Reconciliation".........."Love"..............we must stay diligently on point, and not take the luxury of self absorption. This applies to all of Gods workers. Thx I just needed to say that.
There are certain fundamental features in the constitution and Character of every person which account for his usefulness and without which no one can be of any use in the service of the Lord.
I have never met anyone who cannot control his body and tongue who can be a good worker for the Lord. Nor have I seen a man who does not have a mind to suffer who can serve the Lord. I have never met a person who fails to listen to others who is good at serving. ALL servants of the Lord have to have certain basic Character traits.
In other words, they must possess such qualifications; They must receive mercy from the Lord to possess these qualities before they can serve the Lord in a proper way. And we are all serving in here now if you post, anything.
Serving the Lord is not simple. A breaking down and building up process is necessary for the outer man. If you are wrong, loose, and undisciplined in many things, you are not qualified to do the Lords work.
We should never despise the training of our Character. If our character and our disposition do not go thru some severe constituting work of the Spirit, we cannot expect much result from our work. and isn't that what we are all in here for?...Fruit! None of the basic training in our character can be overlooked. For if I wish for, hope for, dream of being the Lords worker, I will be constituted in my character.
We have Judgement, separatism,thinking more highly of ourselves than we oughtism, and loose exchanges, that are robbing this room of Gods goals. ................"Reconciliation".........."Love"..............we must stay diligently on point, and not take the luxury of self absorption. This applies to all of Gods workers. Thx I just needed to say that.
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Perhaps you are unaware that not all doctrine is from men, that
1) NT teaching is "doctrine" (didache) and is presented throughout the NT; e.g.,
Ac 2:42, 13:12; Ro 6:17, 16:17; 1Co 14:6, 14:26; 2Ti 4:2; Heb 6:2; 2Jn 9, 10, and
2) the faith sometimes refers to "doctrine" in the NT; e.g.
Ac 6:7, 14:22; Gal 1:23; Eph 4:13; Php 1:27; 1Th 3:10; Jude 3, 20.
NT "teaching" and "the faith" are the words of God which I trust over the "doctrines of men."
Still do. . .
If one knew the NT, one would know that.
Just sayin'.
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