The Death of Christianity in America

[oldernotwiser]

Maybe what the young people you encountered were experiencing was the new China version of Christianity.


Government

China to impose its own version of Christian theology


New theology must 'integrate with Chinese culture' says governmnent


By AFP, Beijing Aug 8, 2014

both were "house churches" but chinese christians seem to easily ignore the difference between the 3 self churches (offically approved) and house churches. the house churches i have seen range from 10 chinese christians to close to a hundred. i have seen (here in shenzhen) 75 or a hundred people, carrying bibles going to a house church. (this was in the yan tien district)

 

[BlackPlatypus]

Do you know if those who are attending these meetings are investing in the traditional Christian studies? Or are they about the government version. (Re:article)

both were "house churches" but chinese christians seem to easily ignore the difference between the 3 self churches (offically approved) and house churches. the house churches i have seen range from 10 chinese christians to close to a hundred. i have seen (here in shenzhen) 75 or a hundred people, carrying bibles going to a house church. (this was in the yan tien district)

 

[BlackPlatypus]

It's an age old tactic. Induce fear, then introduce the balm, the solution, that quells the fear.

"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on
a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of
it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people
don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in
Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the
country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to
drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the
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Just after 9-11 and after the USPA had passed into law, a news crew went on the street in NYC for one of those, 'man on the street' segments. Asking people what they thought about the USPA being passed and that it threatened our constitutional rights and the free exercise of our freedoms and liberty.
I'll never forget this one woman. She looked at this reporter and said: If I have to give up a few of my rights and freedoms in order to feel safe I'm OK with that.

She's a politicians dream.

That is right, they keep the people under fear.

And through that fear they slowly take away each of our constitutional rights, and the people let them.
Through these scare tactics it saddens me to see so many people who consider themselves Christian, now side with things in are political system and law enforcement system that justifies murder.

Did the Lord ever say in NT scripture do not murder unless they do this or that..................???

 

[BlackPlatypus]

President Richard Nixon was a an avowed racist and anti-Semitic but he put that aside because he said that his power were entrusted to him by the American people and took an oath to empower the poor and those in need.

Pres. Nixon actually did more to empower Black people than Bill Clinton or Barack Obama because he was committed to fulfilling his oath as President of the United States.

Does it strike you odd that Nixon was an alleged avowed racist and anti-Semite....and also a Quaker?

Seems a bit conflicting.

 

[oldernotwiser]

Do you know if those who are attending these meetings are investing in the traditional Christian studies? Or are they about the government version. (Re:article)

if "the government version" is ever defined (and i suspect the definition will be pretty vague even if it happens) i doubt that it will have any effect. implementation of any policy in china ranges from impossible to amusing. a good example is calling china "communist." china is far less "communist" than any scandinavian country and certainly more chinese than communist. china is a one party state led by people whose first priority is stability. this is understandable when we look at the history of china in the 19th and 20th centuries. as far as freedom of religion ..... while western christians may have a different understanding of the history of chinese christianity, the chinese remember the tai ping rebellion of the 19th century (a heretical christian group that almost took china) and missionaries serving as guides and translators in the opium wars. these are certainly not excuses for persecution but they are some of the forces that form reasons for (at least) observation of any organized group. in america mosques are often infiltrated by fbi or police informers. historically china has reasons to monitor religious groups that are certainly as good as americas.

 

[Atwood]

Does it strike you odd that Nixon was an alleged avowed racist and anti-Semite....and also a Quaker?

Seems a bit conflicting.

Indeed, the terms alleged & avowed are conflicting. If he had had been avowed, no allegations would have been needed & allegation would be inappropriate.

Well, someone would have those accusations things to me. I think Nixon joined the NAACP actually at one point some way or other. But he did have this "southern strategy" for winning elections. The Republicrats made a big goof with ML King and lot their Afro-american vote, which they had inherited from Lincoln. The Democrats were the party of slavery & of Jim Crow.

BTW, I wonder if we really want to be talking about racism; a thread was recently shut down over that. And that is not the topic of this thread. But you didn't start it, I guess.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

He certainly was a strange conflicted individual and that's why I think it's a bit harsh to call him an "avowed racist and anti-Semite."

Nixon blasted Dixiecrats “seeking to squeeze the last ounces of political juice out of the rotting fruit of racial injustice" during his campaign calling out segregationist candidates in ’66 for failing to support integration. He called on LBJ, Hubert Humphrey, and Bobby Kennedy to join him in repudiating them but none of those three did.

Nixon chose Spiro Agnew, the first governor south of the Mason Dixon Line to enact an open-housing law and in Nixon’s presidency, the civil rights enforcement budget rose 800 percent.

Record numbers of blacks were appointed to federal office. An Office of Minority Business Enterprise was created. SBA loans to minorities soared 1,000 percent. Aid to black colleges doubled.
Nixon won the South not because he agreed with them on civil rights—he never did—but because he shared the patriotic values of the South and its antipathy to liberal hypocrisy. When Johnson left office, 10 percent of Southern schools were desegregated. When Nixon left, the figure was 70 percent. That's right: it was Richard Nixon who desegregated Southern schools.

Also, Richard Nixon is credited during the Yom Kippur War of helping to save Israel from an onslaught of potentially devastating attacks. The President recognized the threat that an Arab victory posed, the “threat of victory by Soviet arms,” according to author Conrad Black. The Soviet government was the Arab world’s chief supplier of munitions, and was strategically attempting to spread its influence throughout the region and backed Israel to the hilt with supplies, munitions, intelligence, etc...

And, of course, he did make racist and anti-Semite remarks at the same time he was doing all of these anti-racist and pro-Semite things to help minorities and Jews.

Like I said: conflicted. At least his actions were directed properly in support of minorities and Israel even if his words always were not.

Does it strike you odd that Nixon was an alleged avowed racist and anti-Semite....and also a Quaker?

Seems a bit conflicting.

 

[SonInMe]

again you have made my point. i stand up for you say the church doesnt force its religion on people thats why there are special outreach clinics who can Fix" homosexuals. and again you are forcing morals on the rest of the world.

if you want traditional families then we need to go back to when it was ok to have seven wives and 40 concubines. wake up look at what your saying


i suggest you read this. im not going to argue about this most christans are like a brick wall and just as dense

Why Christians Need to Quit Whining About 'Freedom of Religion'

Homosexuality has been cured. You cannot deny that.

Ahh, a bible illiterate. The bible was never a proponent of multiple wives

huffington post.....might just as well used Karl Marx as your source.

 

[SonInMe]

Partisanism divides this nation in twain. A nation divided cannot stand. Jesus reminded us of something similar in that respect in Mark 3.

Jesus came to divide as well, you know the scripture. To compromise standards just to agree is not christian. Sorry but the Joel Osteens of this world ain't my kinda passionate commited driven christianity of the disciples and true holy spirit indwellt people.

 

[SonInMe]

Ok, thanks for clearing that up.

It is a pet peeve of mine when I see some one try to claim or give an argument that one political party is more Christian than another. I took what you said that way, but am glad to hear that is not how you think.

Both parties agenda's have gone far away from the Christian way of life/standards. They have accepted and adopted other peoples rights and beliefs, and instead of them being options, they are being forced on us as well.

If we argue about it, or protest we are labeled as hate groups. Some people who are apart of Democrats and Republicans alike have wanted for the past 6 years been trying to label us as Christians as domestic terrorists.

I do believe we are not to force our ways on others, as our Lord Jesus said not to, but we should not be forced to accept their ways either.

Show me one aspect of the democrat party that has anything to do with christianity.

 

[SonInMe]

In my opinion I think it will take nothing less than a full out movement against the government before something gets done.

Of what I have seen in the past elections, I don't have confidence that the voting system truly works any more.
Look at how many discrepancies there has been in the voting system in the past.

Example: Bush lost ( But they screamed for a recount, and the state that was in question Bushes uncle was governor or mayor; can't remember which for sure. After the recount all of sudden now Bush won. )

Then the last two elections against Obama, the republican party picked the worse candidate out of who was running for that position to go against Obama. They had better suited candidates that the people liked more, but some how the worse ones got chosen.

I have no trust that the people actually have a voice any more in our voting system. The only voice we have is to actually step up and voice our thoughts in protest on how we feel. To many will not do that though, they will just sit back and complain from their home but not stand up publically.

Your blatant twist on the 2000 election and the Florida recount proves facts mean nothing to democrats/liberals. Wanna know what all your whining and complaining did to us Floridians? It cost us 100 million dollar plus in two failed computer systems for voting when the paper punch ballets were simple easy and worked.

All because Gore was a crybaby.

Grow up

 

[David_1]

The death of Christianity is occuring all over the world. In some countries today you will be put 'to the sword' for proclaiming you're a Christian. How long will it be before we here in America are 'put to the sword' for proclaiming to be Christian?

https://answersingenesis.org/ministry-news/core-ministry/prophetic-message/

When Christianity started, it was small.

Christianity doesn't need an Empire forcing it's religion on people to have true followers.

Put to the sword? You sound like religious persecution is something new?

We like to glamorize the martyrdom in the few few centuries, but all throughout human history, persecution of other people's religions has occurred. It's barbaric.

Whether it was the vikings attacking the old celts and defacing their holy areas, or whether it's Muslims killing Iraqi Christian children in Iraq.... religious wars have been constant.

This is why 'we' have supposed to have grown up. Europeans are supposed to have gone through the enlightenment period. The USA has the first amendment. It was so important, it was the first!

So if someone wants to be a Quacker sitting in an empty room feeling the vibe, or a snake handler dude playing with snakes, or a Muslim praying on the carpet... they are allowed to do that! We don't cut their heads off and parade it around.

Christians ARE NOT being persecuted in the USA. Christians are protected by the first amendment.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I would assert that being able to walk into a Christian owned small business and order them to violate their moral conscience and religious liberty and facilitate your immorality or face serious criminal charges that could put them in prison respite with fines exceeding hundreds of thousands of dollars that don't wash in bankruptcy court impoverishing them and their families for the rest of the life of the owner IS persecution.

It should NOT be possible and I HOPE the U.S. Supreme Court continues to reverse the state and federal courts that are enforcing this severe persecution of Christians on behalf of immoral people after the Reagan appointees retire from the U.S. Supreme Court. We shall see.

In the meanwhile, these moral Christians that refuse to violate their conscience and cede away their religious liberty go through hell when the immoral come calling looking for a Christian to crucify.

And then there's the real problem of discrimination against Christians in public education or who contract with the federal government.

Christians ARE NOT being persecuted in the USA. Christians are protected by the first amendment.

 

[BlackPlatypus]

Jesus came to divide as well, you know the scripture. To compromise standards just to agree is not christian. Sorry but the Joel Osteens of this world ain't my kinda passionate commited driven christianity of the disciples and true holy spirit indwellt people.

 

[BlackPlatypus]

Indeed, the terms alleged & avowed are conflicting. If he had had been avowed, no allegations would have been needed & allegation would be inappropriate.

Well, someone would have those accusations things to me. I think Nixon joined the NAACP actually at one point some way or other. But he did have this "southern strategy" for winning elections. The Republicrats made a big goof with ML King and lot their Afro-american vote, which they had inherited from Lincoln. The Democrats were the party of slavery & of Jim Crow.

BTW, I wonder if we really want to be talking about racism; a thread was recently shut down over that. And that is not the topic of this thread. But you didn't start it, I guess.

No, I didn't start it. Thank you for noticing that. I appreciate it.

Yes, I don't think we should move beyond what was already corrected about the errant terminology biscuit applied to Nixon. We very well could then be following that same path that led to the closure of the other thread.

 

[SonInMe]

Don't see the humor in apostasy.

 

[biscuit]

Does it strike you odd that Nixon was an alleged avowed racist and anti-Semite....and also a Quaker?

Seems a bit conflicting.

I guess there is that 'hypocrite' element in every denomination & religion. Israel almost lost the 1973(?) war with its Arab neighbors because it was running out of weapons and both Nixon & Kissinger were ignoring Israel PM Golda Meir's plea for assistance. Israel was on the verge of defeat when God woke up Nixon by placing his deceased(?) mother's voice in his ear telling him that Israel was God's chosen people and should always be supported. Golda Meir placed her last call to Nixon around 3am in the morning telling him Israel couldn't hold out much longer and was facing defeat. With Nixon change of heart, he gave Israel all the weapons she requested and shipped immediately & quickly. Israel soon afterward, defeated the Arab armies.

Even God can 'softens' an avowed racist's heart.

 

[BlackPlatypus]

Don't see the humor in apostasy.

No Christian does. However, when numerous people have tried to turn the apostate around and have failed to get through, sometimes humor helps those who were frustrated in that effort. While the apostate shall face the judgment in their own due time.

 

[biscuit]

No, I didn't start it. Thank you for noticing that. I appreciate it.

Yes, I don't think we should move beyond what was already corrected about the errant terminology biscuit applied to Nixon. We very well could then be following that same path that led to the closure of the other thread.

Your credibility on CC will be wearing very thin because of your lack of respect for other posters. I grew up in that era and witnessed everything I spoke of. I suggest you prove me wrong or just "button up."

 

[biscuit]

He certainly was a strange conflicted individual and that's why I think it's a bit harsh to call him an "avowed racist and anti-Semite."

Nixon blasted Dixiecrats “seeking to squeeze the last ounces of political juice out of the rotting fruit of racial injustice" during his campaign calling out segregationist candidates in ’66 for failing to support integration. He called on LBJ, Hubert Humphrey, and Bobby Kennedy to join him in repudiating them but none of those three did.

Nixon chose Spiro Agnew, the first governor south of the Mason Dixon Line to enact an open-housing law and in Nixon’s presidency, the civil rights enforcement budget rose 800 percent.

Record numbers of blacks were appointed to federal office. An Office of Minority Business Enterprise was created. SBA loans to minorities soared 1,000 percent. Aid to black colleges doubled.
Nixon won the South not because he agreed with them on civil rights—he never did—but because he shared the patriotic values of the South and its antipathy to liberal hypocrisy. When Johnson left office, 10 percent of Southern schools were desegregated. When Nixon left, the figure was 70 percent. That's right: it was Richard Nixon who desegregated Southern schools.

Also, Richard Nixon is credited during the Yom Kippur War of helping to save Israel from an onslaught of potentially devastating attacks. The President recognized the threat that an Arab victory posed, the “threat of victory by Soviet arms,” according to author Conrad Black. The Soviet government was the Arab world’s chief supplier of munitions, and was strategically attempting to spread its influence throughout the region and backed Israel to the hilt with supplies, munitions, intelligence, etc...

And, of course, he did make racist and anti-Semite remarks at the same time he was doing all of these anti-racist and pro-Semite things to help minorities and Jews.

Like I said: conflicted. At least his actions were directed properly in support of minorities and Israel even if his words always were not.

Sorry to disappoint you and BlackPlaytus about Nixon being an avowed racist & a anti-Semite, because those statements came from within his own party. I probably will have a better insight on info in this regard because I was a History major and follow the events more closely than others for decades.