The Devil has entered the Church!

[SarahM777]

The Words to Petra are beautiful. However the beat of the music
takes away from the meaning. Now if you can find that song with a
toned down beat I think it would be truly inspirational.

The Revelation song. Awesome. The message of worship is very clear.
Our hearts can feel the holiness of or Lord ~

The total difference IMO, for me, the blaring loud sound drowning out
the message. I feel satan gets a thrill knowing he is taking away the
beautiful message of Christ.

Revelation song should make him run in opposite direction. He can't stand
the Worship of our Risen Christ. ~ Blessings...

And for me the music enhances the meaning of the Petra song. It drives home the lyrics. The lyrics are not light easy breezy lyrics. To put that song to nice easy listening music would take away from the driving points they are trying to make.

Some would say that that version of Revelation song has too much of a rock beat. Yet in this case you find that same song is a very powerful song of worship.

So who is the one to say which is right or is this a matter that is to be on an individual level as each is His servant?

 

[posthuman]

this whole thread smacks of one thing:

"Can anything good come out of Nazareth?"

 

[posthuman]

( John 1:46b )

" 'come and see' said Philip. "


i think the message is pretty clear in this song:
[video=youtube_share;NFlDJJivW2U]http://youtu.be/NFlDJJivW2U[/video]

 

[SarahM777]

Shhhhh.... Do you hear it ? No, not if you are in a Church that
has such loud music many people leave because it is not glorifying
the Lord. Shhhhh...... do you hear it ? The songs of worship
without the loud pounding of drums and guitars. Listen....the Hymns
of old may seem old fashion, but how do you think the Church lasted
this long ? By people learning about Christ and His suffering for our
salvation. It was slow, the words went deeply into our spirit. I
believe if we speak to all who have known the Hymns of old, they
can tell you it is the MEAT of the Cross and Salvation. All other
today, IMO, is just dessert. God does not change to fit man,
Man changes to serve God. Good topics. One day we will stand
before Him, then we will know HIS judgement on how much we focused
on Him, no matter the music. The Words are most important. Would
people like singing without music? It would at least make us look to
the Lord for sure. God bless and help us do what pleases Him.
Judgement is coming soon. ~

UMMM And didn't David use a 4,000 person band to worship the Lord? Wouldn't a 4,000 person band be fairly loud? Didn't David dance in the street with every ounce of energy he had? Why is it OK for people to jump and scream at the top of their lungs for a guy that throws a football for a touchdown and no one seems to mind that,yet we can not do the same for the God who created everything,who is so far greater than that man that throw the touchdown? Isn't He so much much more worthy of our praise and honor then the man?

 

[Ugly]

I didn't mean to create all this disagreement. Those of you who learn and have testimony bring it. Those of you who have objections and disagreements choose to speak based on the scriptures and politely.

So people who disagree require scripture. But people who agree with you only need opinion? That sounds balanced. Now i remember why i stopped coming to this thread.

 

[J-Kay]

It is a no win situation except for the one who prefers one
type of music over another. I won't speak for God, it will
be up to Him to judge as it will be one day.
As for David yes, there were many worshipers and instruments.
I didn't live in that era. But, I feel safe in saying I don't think
it sounded like 'metal' music. So much for this topic. Good night

 

[Stephen63]

I have taken the time to read this thread in its entirety. I see concern in the heart of the OP. I've seen him bend over backwards to try to please some of the naysayers. Most of the people who disagree with him do so based on either their opinions or that what he is saying is only his opinion.

Some of these naysayers stated very strongly in a nutshell that he's whacked. The funny thing is, I see more compassion in his writing than in all the naysayers combined. Scripture tells us we would know them by their fruits. So what are the fruits showing?

I have heard that this type of music is all right because of the message. In other words, as long as the message is right, we can scream it, we can growl it, we can turn up our music passed the safety standards of our hearing, our hair can look a mess, we can head bang, and basically do anything else we want as long as the message is OK.

If I as a minister came to any one of your churches and preached in the exact same manner that most these bands perform, I would not only be thrown out of your church, but I would also be set off your property. No congregation in their right mind would let the preach like that, dress like that, act like that, or look like that. But wait, isn't it all right as long as the message is right? I can scream to the top of my lungs, right? I can turn up my mic until it distorts, right?

It's not OK for the ministers to do that because it's out of God's order. It's the wrong attitude. It's not displaying the right motives. It's not a good example. It's wicked to preach in a mean way with pride and arrogance. Why? BECAUSE WE'RE EXPECTED TO BE LOVING, COMPASSIONATE, HUMBLE SERVANTS OF JESUS CHRIST!

But you might say," that's different, because you're a preacher, and they are singers." No, it's not different. I'm expected to be right, sound right, look right, and act right. I'm expected to be a good example of Christ.

The problem with believing the differences between me and them comes down to a single issue: Christians hold to double standards.

It doesn't matter if we preach, sing, play music, or whatever, Christian standards are to be the same. Some may say that music is different because it is entertainment. I say to you this:

• If it is called Christian, it should be Christ-like.
• If it is considered Christian music, that means it is God's music.
• God's music is to be done by His standards, not ours, otherwise it's not His.

​
Anybody that performs any old way they want to and call it Christian is misrepresenting Christ, just like a false prophet or a false teacher. They stand on the stage and in the lights just like we do. They influence people just like we do. They may even influence more people than we do, because people come to concerts by the thousands.

Won't they stand before God to give an account just like me? Won't they be judged out of the same books? Won't we all be judged out of the same books? Indeed we will....... Because there's no difference.
1 Peter 1:15-16 (NASB) [SUP]15 [/SUP]but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; [SUP]16 [/SUP]because it is written, "YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY."
2 Peter 3:10-12 (NASB) [SUP]10 [/SUP]But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, [SUP]12 [/SUP]looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat!

There is only one standard of holiness for all.​

 

[Nautilus]

You must frequent insanely closeminded churches if they throw out ministers based on looks. sorry about your luck.

Also I must have missed the scriptures on God's standards of music..chapter and verse please. Im really curious if im sinning by writing in 3/4 time.

 

[Kreation]

Hey..maybe you should change the church your going to?

 

[SarahM777]

I have taken the time to read this thread in its entirety. I see concern in the heart of the OP. I've seen him bend over backwards to try to please some of the naysayers. Most of the people who disagree with him do so based on either their opinions or that what he is saying is only his opinion.

Some of these naysayers stated very strongly in a nutshell that he's whacked. The funny thing is, I see more compassion in his writing than in all the naysayers combined. Scripture tells us we would know them by their fruits. So what are the fruits showing?

I have heard that this type of music is all right because of the message. In other words, as long as the message is right, we can scream it, we can growl it, we can turn up our music passed the safety standards of our hearing, our hair can look a mess, we can head bang, and basically do anything else we want as long as the message is OK.

If I as a minister came to any one of your churches and preached in the exact same manner that most these bands perform, I would not only be thrown out of your church, but I would also be set off your property. No congregation in their right mind would let the preach like that, dress like that, act like that, or look like that. But wait, isn't it all right as long as the message is right? I can scream to the top of my lungs, right? I can turn up my mic until it distorts, right?

It's not OK for the ministers to do that because it's out of God's order. It's the wrong attitude. It's not displaying the right motives. It's not a good example. It's wicked to preach in a mean way with pride and arrogance. Why? BECAUSE WE'RE EXPECTED TO BE LOVING, COMPASSIONATE, HUMBLE SERVANTS OF JESUS CHRIST!

But you might say," that's different, because you're a preacher, and they are singers." No, it's not different. I'm expected to be right, sound right, look right, and act right. I'm expected to be a good example of Christ.

The problem with believing the differences between me and them comes down to a single issue: Christians hold to double standards.

It doesn't matter if we preach, sing, play music, or whatever, Christian standards are to be the same. Some may say that music is different because it is entertainment. I say to you this:

• If it is called Christian, it should be Christ-like.
• If it is considered Christian music, that means it is God's music.
• God's music is to be done by His standards, not ours, otherwise it's not His.

​
Anybody that performs any old way they want to and call it Christian is misrepresenting Christ, just like a false prophet or a false teacher. They stand on the stage and in the lights just like we do. They influence people just like we do. They may even influence more people than we do, because people come to concerts by the thousands.

Won't they stand before God to give an account just like me? Won't they be judged out of the same books? Won't we all be judged out of the same books? Indeed we will....... Because there's no difference.
1 Peter 1:15-16 (NASB) [SUP]15 [/SUP]but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; [SUP]16 [/SUP]because it is written, "YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY."
2 Peter 3:10-12 (NASB) [SUP]10 [/SUP]But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, [SUP]12 [/SUP]looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat!

There is only one standard of holiness for all.​

HMMM Seems someone long ago said this


Matthew 11

After Jesus had finished instructing his twelve disciples, he went on from there to teach and preach in the towns of Galilee.[a]
2 When John, who was in prison, heard about the deeds of the Messiah, he sent his disciples 3 to ask him, “Are you the one who is to come, or should we expect someone else?”
4 Jesus replied, “Go back and report to John what you hear and see: 5 The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy[b] are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is proclaimed to the poor.6 Blessed is anyone who does not stumble on account of me.”
7 As John’s disciples were leaving, Jesus began to speak to the crowd about John: “What did you go out into the wilderness to see? A reed swayed by the wind? 8 If not, what did you go out to see? A man dressed in fine clothes? No, those who wear fine clothes are in kings’ palaces. 9 Then what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. 10 This is the one about whom it is written:
“‘I will send my messenger ahead of you,
who will prepare your way before you.’[c]

11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence,[d] and violent people have been raiding it. 13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. 15 Whoever has ears, let them hear.
16 “To what can I compare this generation? They are like children sitting in the marketplaces and calling out to others:
17 “‘We played the pipe for you,
and you did not dance;
we sang a dirge,
and you did not mourn.’

18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon.’19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by her deeds.”

By what was on the outside how many would have ever given John the Baptist the time of day,let alone look at him and call him a man of God if one is going by the outward? John certainly did not wear a two piece suit and a tie nor can you find that he wore the clothing of the "respectable clothing of the religious leaders of his day". John from all appearances looked like a man that lived in the wilderness. Yet Jesus called John the GREATEST of all the prophets. See Stephen what gets left out is it is so much easier for people to talk to "the respectable people" about the gospel and not the biker dudes,the prostitutes,those that are goth,the ravers,the people that are into the heavy metal head banging music,the drug addicts,those in the LGBT community,etc,etc.

But also on the other a lot of the music that is so called Christian is not good at all. The doctrine is so bad it should never have been recorded in the first place. The real question always goes back to are they being transformed by the preaching of the word? Are the fruits love,joy peace,patience,goodness,kindness,gentleness,faithfulness and self control? And yes I do agree in some cases self control seems to be lacking.

 

[Tintin]

Every single genre of music in human history can be traced back (in some form) to Christians. So there's no such thing as a genre created by the Enemy. He and his followers can't create anything.

 

[Stephen63]

Gee, maybe I was wrong about the double standard in modern day christianity? Perhaps there are NO STANDARDS AT ALL.

......And the old country song was right after all........"You've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything"

For the rest of those that know better, this should show us all how close we really are to apostasy. No one can be spiritually mature in some things, & be totally liberal in others. The liberal attitude shows it all.

 

[posthuman]

how many laws did Moses give concerning food?

and did Christ declare all meats "clean" ?

how many laws did Moses give concerning music?

why should we declare some sounds "unclean" if to some, it is a gift to God?

"He said to them: "You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with a Gentile or visit him. But God has shown me that I should not call any man impure or unclean." "

Acts 10:28

 

[Jesusismyrock]

Christian rap and christian rock music is not a sin. If you think it is then you don't know much at all....

 

[SarahM777]

Gee, maybe I was wrong about the double standard in modern day christianity? Perhaps there are NO STANDARDS AT ALL.

......And the old country song was right after all........"You've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything"

For the rest of those that know better, this should show us all how close we really are to apostasy. No one can be spiritually mature in some things, & be totally liberal in others. The liberal attitude shows it all.

You mean the same country music that can have people singing about being a good ole boy six and a half days a week,with drinking,sex,and living a fast life,then the same people turning around and doing a couple of gospels songs and that makes it OK how? Hypocrisy is OK how? Can you please explain how country with all it's hypocrisy is so much more worshipful?

 

[Stephen63]

You mean the same country music that can have people singing about being a good ole boy six and a half days a week,with drinking,sex,and living a fast life,then the same people turning around and doing a couple of gospels songs and that makes it OK how? Hypocrisy is OK how? Can you please explain how country with all it's hypocrisy is so much more worshipful?

I referenced the words of a chorus to a single song, not one that I like, none of which I listen to because I don't like country music, and you have to make a Federal case as if I agree and approve of country music?
That took quite a bit of twisting there, missy.
Yeah, you're known by your fruits........

 

[Stephen63]

It doesn't bother me that many of you don't believe it. Anyone with the highest reputation in your minds could tell you, and the answer would be the same. You won't have it. You won't separate yourself from it for nothing in the world. No, not even the truth. You refuse to investigate it to the fullest because you know, and that's all you need. That speaks for itself..........


Don't worry about what I have to say......... Worry about who you will give an account to, for His standards are higher than all of ours combined.

 

[SarahM777]

I referenced the words of a chorus to a single song, not one that I like, none of which I listen to because I don't like country music, and you have to make a Federal case as if I agree and approve of country music?
That took quite a bit of twisting there, missy.
Yeah, you're known by your fruits........

UMM I do apologize for the understanding. It would have helped by
1 Not quoting a country song.
2 But saying you don't like country music.
3 By mentioning something about that type of music also.

Not once did you mention a single thing about any of that. By your silence about those things it gives the appearance that you do approve of those things. Especially when one quotes that type of source. You made no disclaimer to the otherwise.

 

[Nautilus]

It doesn't bother me that many of you don't believe it. Anyone with the highest reputation in your minds could tell you, and the answer would be the same. You won't have it. You won't separate yourself from it for nothing in the world. No, not even the truth. You refuse to investigate it to the fullest because you know, and that's all you need. That speaks for itself..........


Don't worry about what I have to say......... Worry about who you will give an account to, for His standards are higher than all of ours combined.

sorry we cant all reach the level of fanatical legalism you seem to have obtained.

 

[Stephen63]

sorry we cant all reach the level of fanatical legalism you seem to have obtained.

All the slander in the world won't change a thing...... It is what it is.