Not love “agape” which God has for all. Love “ephilei” means friendly love. I’m sure most go to church and have agape for the people there, but have ephilei for a select person or small group. John probably laughed hardest at Jesus jokes. All were disciples, some were friends and John was His best friend.
the disciple whom Jesus loved
- Thread starter Relic
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Mat 26:48 Now he that betrayed him gave them a sign, saying, Whomsoever I shall kiss, that same is he: hold him fast.
Mat 26:49 And forthwith he came to Jesus, and said, Hail, master; and kissed him.
Mat 26:50 And Jesus said unto him, Friend, wherefore art thou come? Then came they, and laid hands on Jesus, and took him.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.
Jesus loved all the disciples, even Judas, as well as all people.
But when it says the disciple whom Jesus loved it means they were closer to each other, as compared to the other disciples, but this was because of John's attitude towards Jesus.
Jesus loved all His disciples but it was John's attitude of wanting to be closer to Jesus why it is the disciple whom Jesus loved for it caused a close relationship between them.
Jesus would be fair over all people that followed Him to be close to them all equally, but some people wanted to be closer to Jesus than others, although they all wanted a relationship with Him.
Mat 26:49 And forthwith he came to Jesus, and said, Hail, master; and kissed him.
Mat 26:50 And Jesus said unto him, Friend, wherefore art thou come? Then came they, and laid hands on Jesus, and took him.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.
Jesus loved all the disciples, even Judas, as well as all people.
But when it says the disciple whom Jesus loved it means they were closer to each other, as compared to the other disciples, but this was because of John's attitude towards Jesus.
Jesus loved all His disciples but it was John's attitude of wanting to be closer to Jesus why it is the disciple whom Jesus loved for it caused a close relationship between them.
Jesus would be fair over all people that followed Him to be close to them all equally, but some people wanted to be closer to Jesus than others, although they all wanted a relationship with Him.
That's a possibility I suppose, it could also be that simply John was meant to live for a while so that he might record the prophecy of the Apocalypse. The subject of martyrdom aside, I do also think the fact John is the only one of the 12 to witness the crucifixion might indeed be why he gets to witness the full prophecy of the Apocalypse, something that many of the prophets desired to see, and many of them saw parts of (like Daniel), and record it for us.
Luke's gospel says all who knew Him watched. 23:49~ But all those who knew him, including the women who had followed him from Galilee, stood at a distance, watching these things. "These things" specifically being the crucifixion events. Here is the verse within its greater context:
44 It was now about noon, and darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon, 45 for the sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two. 46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.”[e] When he had said this, he breathed his last.
47 The centurion, seeing what had happened, praised God and said, “Surely this was a righteous man.” 48 When all the people who had gathered to witness this sight saw what took place, they beat their breasts and went away. 49 But all those who knew him, including the women who had followed him from Galilee, stood at a distance, watching these things.
44 It was now about noon, and darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon, 45 for the sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two. 46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.”[e] When he had said this, he breathed his last.
47 The centurion, seeing what had happened, praised God and said, “Surely this was a righteous man.” 48 When all the people who had gathered to witness this sight saw what took place, they beat their breasts and went away. 49 But all those who knew him, including the women who had followed him from Galilee, stood at a distance, watching these things.
-
1
- Show all
You may be correct, this is interesting to me. From what I read it says his acquaintances, which I figured to be the lesser disciples since the 12 had fled at his arrest, though I do suppose that you may be on to something. I just know that John for a certainty was there based upon this passage below, but I do like this point here actually.
John 19:26-27
26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
John 19:26-27
26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
Jesus called Judas friend 
-
1
- Show all
I agree with much of what you've been putting, but here ^ in the bold I have to say I don't think scripture supports, coz in Mark 14:12-21 it says He "sent two" (to prepare), and in Luke 22:7-13 it names them as being "Peter and John" (whom "He sent" to prepare). But I agree with you that other passages make it sound as though "the 12" were not the only disciples present, at that event.
But yeah, when it comes to Lazarus, scripture uses both the words "G5368 phileo" (John 11:3,36) and "G25 agape" (John 11:5);
and of "that/the other disciple" and/or "the disciple whom Jesus loved" scripture also uses both the words "G5368 phileo" (John 20:2,[8]; the scene at the empty sepulchre, who was with Peter) and "G25 agape" (John 13:23, 19:26, 21:7, 21:20). Lemme see if there's any other verses along these lines...
But, yeah, I agree it most likely was NOT "John" ("the disciple whom Jesus loved" / "that/the other disciple"), though that is a common thought out there. ("Tradition" has it as being "John")
But yeah, when it comes to Lazarus, scripture uses both the words "G5368 phileo" (John 11:3,36) and "G25 agape" (John 11:5);
and of "that/the other disciple" and/or "the disciple whom Jesus loved" scripture also uses both the words "G5368 phileo" (John 20:2,[8]; the scene at the empty sepulchre, who was with Peter) and "G25 agape" (John 13:23, 19:26, 21:7, 21:20). Lemme see if there's any other verses along these lines...
But, yeah, I agree it most likely was NOT "John" ("the disciple whom Jesus loved" / "that/the other disciple"), though that is a common thought out there. ("Tradition" has it as being "John")
-
1
- Show all
Ahh yes thank you for pointing that out to me, and you are correct peter and John are mentioned as the ones sent. there is another aspect of the 12 disciples if I’m not mistaken half of the disciples are only mentioned by name, nothing of them are known but a name that is it, so the one could of been one of those who was mentioned only briefly. though as I mentioned there is only one person mentioned as the one Jesus loved his best friend possibly a childhood friend.
