The doctrine of entire sanctification.

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justbyfaith

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The term "sinless perfection" has been used to describe entire sanctification in order to produce a straw man that is easily toppled by 1 John 1:8.

While the doctrine itself, does not purport that sin is eradicated from us, so that we might be without sin; but rather that sin, which indwells us as believers, can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour.

Thus the following verses,

1Jo 1:8, If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1Jo 3:5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jo 3:6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jo 3:7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jo 3:8, He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jo 3:9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


are not in contradiction to each other as they are taken literally; for they are also found within the immediate context of each other.

Here are a few other verses that show that entire sanctification is a viable doctrine in holy scripture.

1Th 5:23, And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 5:24, Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

Heb 10:14, For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

1Jo 3:9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
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1Jo 3:7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1Jo 3:3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

1Jo 2:6, He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
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1Jo 3:6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1Jo 2:17, And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
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Jde 1:24, Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

2Pe 1:10, Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

1Jo 2:10, He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.


These verses declare that the believer can indeed walk in consistent victory over sin in absolute freedom for an extended period of time.

Thus the heresy of "the inevitability of sin" is here refuted; and for those who desire it, the teaching that we can indeed be sanctified wholly will bring us to victory.

And, this is also good news to all those who have come to the same place in their hearts and minds that Paul spoke of in Romans 7:24.

Rom 7:24, O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

For in Romans 7:14-21, Paul is using the literary tactic of IDENTIFICATION; identifying himself as carnal in order to define carnality for his readers. He here becomes as weak in order to gain the weak (1 Corinthians 9:22).

In all reality the context bears out that in Romans 7:14-25 Paul is identifying the law of sin and death; and in Romans 8:2 he declares his victory over the law of sin and death.

If Paul were actually carnal when he wrote Romans 7:14-25, then he would not have been penning actual holy scripture. For it is written,

2Pe 1:20, Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21, For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


Therefore in order for Paul to have been penning holy scripture, he had to be holy at the time.

I conclude that he was indeed using a literary tactic; in which he became as weak in order to win those who are weak (1 Corinthians 9:22).

His point?

That if anyone is truly born again and yet living a Romans 7:14-25 lifestyle, they will be discontented with such a lifestyle of sinning.

Therefore the doctrine of entire sanctification would indeed be good news to them.

Finally, the scriptures that I have given are divine promises; and in Romans 4:20-22 we find that righteousness is imputed to the one who believes in such divine promises that they will be accomplished in his or her life.

Rom 4:20, He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
Rom 4:21, And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
Rom 4:22, And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
Rom 4:23, Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
Rom 4:24, But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
 

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the discontentedness is a form of hell. many are in that way of life each day no doubt to varying degree. but because rightness of living can take a lot of work, awareness, overcoming prayer, change (difficult work on one's self and awareness leading to changed actions and thinking) -- it can be very difficult for many people.
so they fail -- even if they want to change.

unhelpful -- part true/ part false doctrines don't help all that much it would appear. mere pieces of the puzzle -- bits of truth and magical thinking keep the believer believing that sin is always with them...instead of working on overcoming... and seeing things come to pass in their life.
 

justbyfaith

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I do something that is very effective at procuring entire sanctification in my life...

I make it a part of my prayer every night to pray for my personal walk; that I might have victory and freedom concerning besetting sins...and I pray that the Lord will satisfy me with the living water of His Holy Spirit so that I may not be drawn away or tempted by the toilet water that this world has to offer.

I also pray that He would change my mindset so that the doctrine of "the inevitability of sin" might be completely eradicated from my form of thinking.

Because if I think that I am going to sin eventually, doing it sooner rather than later isn't going to make any difference.

So it is important to understand that we aren't any longer obligated to the flesh (Romans 8:12) and that we can live for an extended period of time in victory and freedom over besetting sins.
 

justbyfaith

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2Pe 1:20, Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21, For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
My glasses are starting to fail me; time to get a new pair.
 

justbyfaith

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The term "sinless perfection" has been used to describe entire sanctification in order to produce a straw man that is easily toppled by 1 John 1:8.

While the doctrine itself, does not purport that sin is eradicated from us, so that we might be without sin; but rather that sin, which indwells us as believers, can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour.

Thus the following verses,

1Jo 1:8, If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1Jo 3:5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jo 3:6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jo 3:7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jo 3:8, He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jo 3:9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


are not in contradiction to each other as they are taken literally; for they are also found within the immediate context of each other.

Here are a few other verses that show that entire sanctification is a viable doctrine in holy scripture.

1Th 5:23, And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 5:24, Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.


Heb 10:14, For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

1Jo 3:9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
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1Jo 3:7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.


1Jo 3:3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

1Jo 2:6, He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
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1Jo 3:6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.


1Jo 2:17, And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
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Jde 1:24, Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,


2Pe 1:10, Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

1Jo 2:10, He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

These verses declare that the believer can indeed walk in consistent victory over sin in absolute freedom for an extended period of time.

Thus the heresy of "the inevitability of sin" is here refuted; and for those who desire it, the teaching that we can indeed be sanctified wholly will bring us to victory.

And, this is also good news to all those who have come to the same place in their hearts and minds that Paul spoke of in Romans 7:24.

Rom 7:24, O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

For in Romans 7:14-21, Paul is using the literary tactic of IDENTIFICATION; identifying himself as carnal in order to define carnality for his readers. He here becomes as weak in order to gain the weak (1 Corinthians 9:22).

In all reality the context bears out that in Romans 7:14-25 Paul is identifying the law of sin and death; and in Romans 8:2 he declares his victory over the law of sin and death.

If Paul were actually carnal when he wrote Romans 7:14-25, then he would not have been penning actual holy scripture. For it is written,

2Pe 1:20, Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21, For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


Therefore in order for Paul to have been penning holy scripture, he had to be holy at the time.

I conclude that he was indeed using a literary tactic; in which he became as weak in order to win those who are weak (1 Corinthians 9:22).

His point?

That if anyone is truly born again and yet living a Romans 7:14-25 lifestyle, they will be discontented with such a lifestyle of sinning.

Therefore the doctrine of entire sanctification would indeed be good news to them.

Finally, the scriptures that I have given are divine promises; and in Romans 4:20-22 we find that righteousness is imputed to the one who believes in such divine promises that they will be accomplished in his or her life.

Rom 4:20, He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
Rom 4:21, And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
Rom 4:22, And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
Rom 4:23, Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
Rom 4:24, But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
Praise God that someone disagrees!

It indicates that the doctrine is actually sound (2 Timothy 4:3).

No one ever said that the truth would be popular.

2Ti 4:3, For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
 

p_rehbein

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justbyfaith:

IF yo are saying that you do not, nor have not sinned since you were saved, then I commend you. For throughout History, only Jesus and you have accomplished such a perfect life in this world.....
 

Ogom

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I do something that is very effective at procuring entire sanctification in my life...

I make it a part of my prayer every night to pray for my personal walk; that I might have victory and freedom concerning besetting sins...and I pray that the Lord will satisfy me with the living water of His Holy Spirit so that I may not be drawn away or tempted by the toilet water that this world has to offer.

I also pray that He would change my mindset so that the doctrine of "the inevitability of sin" might be completely eradicated from my form of thinking.

Because if I think that I am going to sin eventually, doing it sooner rather than later isn't going to make any difference.

So it is important to understand that we aren't any longer obligated to the flesh (Romans 8:12) and that we can live for an extended period of time in victory and freedom over besetting sins.

I think what you say about prayer is important and maybe should be added to the original post somehow because it helps it make more sense maybe.

also... I am sorry, but truthfully... long posts can be difficult to read. maybe not for all, but I think some. I would shorten it some if possible.
 

Ogom

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justbyfaith:

IF yo are saying that you do not, nor have not sinned since you were saved, then I commend you. For throughout History, only Jesus and you have accomplished such a perfect life in this world.....

one (1) o n e uno thing you lack." go and sell a l l you have to the poor and come and f o l l o w Me"

"One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.”

How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 24And the disciples were astonished at his words.
 

justbyfaith

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Yes, I certainly do not claim to be without sin; and I also do not claim that I have not sinned since coming to faith in Jesus.

What I am claiming is that there is a certain victory over sinful behaviour that we can have if we lay a hold of some of the promises that can be found in the OP.

This is not in order to be justified (compare 1 John 3:4,9 to Galatians 2:16) but is more for the sake of being an effectual witness for Christ as we live a life that is pleasing to Him and blameless in the eyes of the world (Philemon 1:6).

If we have truly fallen in love with Jesus (which is the default for those who are born again) then we desire to be an effective witness for Him and not to drag His name through the mud because of hypocritical behaviour...we desire to live as holy as possible because we love Him and want His name to be glorified. This is the state of heart for every genuine believer in Christ.
 

justbyfaith

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The term "sinless perfection" has been used to describe entire sanctification in order to produce a straw man that is easily toppled by 1 John 1:8.

While the doctrine itself, does not purport that sin is eradicated from us, so that we might be without sin; but rather that sin, which indwells us as believers, can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour.

Thus the following verses,

1Jo 1:8, If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1Jo 3:5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jo 3:6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jo 3:7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jo 3:8, He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jo 3:9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


are not in contradiction to each other as they are taken literally; for they are also found within the immediate context of each other.

Here are a few other verses that show that entire sanctification is a viable doctrine in holy scripture.

1Th 5:23, And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 5:24, Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.


Heb 10:14, For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

1Jo 3:9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
.
.
.
1Jo 3:7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.


1Jo 3:3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

1Jo 2:6, He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
.

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.
1Jo 3:6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.


1Jo 2:17, And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
.
.
.
Jde 1:24, Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,


2Pe 1:10, Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

1Jo 2:10, He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

These verses declare that the believer can indeed walk in consistent victory over sin in absolute freedom for an extended period of time.

Thus the heresy of "the inevitability of sin" is here refuted; and for those who desire it, the teaching that we can indeed be sanctified wholly will bring us to victory.

And, this is also good news to all those who have come to the same place in their hearts and minds that Paul spoke of in Romans 7:24.

Rom 7:24, O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

For in Romans 7:14-21, Paul is using the literary tactic of IDENTIFICATION; identifying himself as carnal in order to define carnality for his readers. He here becomes as weak in order to gain the weak (1 Corinthians 9:22).

In all reality the context bears out that in Romans 7:14-25 Paul is identifying the law of sin and death; and in Romans 8:2 he declares his victory over the law of sin and death.

If Paul were actually carnal when he wrote Romans 7:14-25, then he would not have been penning actual holy scripture. For it is written,

2Pe 1:20, Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21, For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


Therefore in order for Paul to have been penning holy scripture, he had to be holy at the time.

I conclude that he was indeed using a literary tactic; in which he became as weak in order to win those who are weak (1 Corinthians 9:22).

His point?

That if anyone is truly born again and yet living a Romans 7:14-25 lifestyle, they will be discontented with such a lifestyle of sinning.

Therefore the doctrine of entire sanctification would indeed be good news to them.

Finally, the scriptures that I have given are divine promises; and in Romans 4:20-22 we find that righteousness is imputed to the one who believes in such divine promises that they will be accomplished in his or her life.

Rom 4:20, He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
Rom 4:21, And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
Rom 4:22, And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
Rom 4:23, Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
Rom 4:24, But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
Praying for you, @Adstar.
 

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Why? I am saved by the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ.. And i do not value your prayers.. Rightiousness in the flesh doctrine promoters are not my brothers in Christ.. You may as well be a muslim or a catholic to me..

What puzzles me is the name you call yourself justbyfaith ??? You do not believe in your name's statement.. Your sanctification is a process that is only achieved by attaining a sinless state on earth.. Me, i became a Saint on the day i believed because i was justified just by faith.. Not by attaining sinless..

May you be forgiven..
 

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The term "sinless perfection" has been used to describe entire sanctification in

Sanctification is much misunderstood. It primarily means to be set apart for holy use. Sanctification is God's business. (1 Corinthians 1:30). God declares us to be righteous the moment we are born again. It's a gift, not a work.

Consecration is (or should be) our response to God's love, mercy and grace. Consecration means that we yield ourselves, all that we are and all that we have, to God's plan and purpose. We make ourselves to at His disposal.

What many call sanctification, the Bible calls the salvation of the soul. (1 Peter 1:9, James 1:21). Many Christians think that God is only concerned with sin. Not at all. That is the minimum. The real problem of man is self. Self will, self love and selfish ambition make us unsuitable to serve the Lord. While we are doing what pleases us (no matter how "good" it seems) we are not doing what pleases God (no matter how mundane it may seem),

Sinless perfection is not possible in this life. However, some Christians have reached the end of their own abilities and have despaired of their own cleverness. They realise that their very best is not good enough. God would not accept an altar made out of quarried stone. The stones had to be gathered and not cut. Likewise God is not satisfied with man's natural abilities and the works that he can produce. Abraham pleaded with God to accept Ishmael, who was the result of human ways, not God's promise. God refused. Worse, Abraham's folly endures to this day. The descendants of Ishmael trouble the Jews even now.

This has nothing to do with sin or forgiveness. God looks at the source of our works. We may think that we are working for God. We may even start out in a work that God has called us to do. Whatever originates in self is rejected by God. And if we try to continue a work without complete dependence on God, He will remove His blessing. Oh, It may continue, it may prosper but it will be because of the natural talent of those involved. And God will judge it accordingly. It will be no fun to watch a life's work consumed by the fire of God's truth.

Every work should be "if it is your will" before starting. We should also be careful to ensure that we remain in God's will, being prepared to let go at any time should God call a halt. None of this is easy and we learn by our mistakes. God is well aware of this, of course and is merciful and gracious. We have to start somewhere. "Not my will but yours" is a great start.
 

justbyfaith

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@Gideon300,

concerning your signature,

The fruit of the Spirit is, among other things, goodness (Galatians 5:22-23).

Barnabas was a good man, full of the Holy Ghost and of faith (Acts 11:22-24)

I will go with quotes from scripture rather than a quote form GK Chesterton.
 
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I like your post, it is a great conversation piece.

One thing that I might add for consideration is that it is possible that these descriptions of sanctification in scripture only refer to the part of us that is saved after judgement day purification and not our whole essence.

We see this in the parable of the wheat when the husk of the wheat is removed and burned on the day of judgement.

While it might be true that sin is dead in the part of us that is saved, it isn't necessarily the case that sin is completely dead in us altogether. I wouldn't be so quick to suggest all forms of "The inevitability of sin" are heretical, as the moment we observe humanity as a duality of good and evil (the wolf you feed), it can clearly be the case without contradiction.

The things we endeavour to do out of love reflect that aspect of us that is in God (God is love).

Great conversation piece, thanks for sharing.
 

justbyfaith

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Why? I am saved by the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ.. And i do not value your prayers.. Rightiousness in the flesh doctrine promoters are not my brothers in Christ.. You may as well be a muslim or a catholic to me..

What puzzles me is the name you call yourself justbyfaith ??? You do not believe in your name's statement.. Your sanctification is a process that is only achieved by attaining a sinless state on earth.. Me, i became a Saint on the day i believed because i was justified just by faith.. Not by attaining sinless..

May you be forgiven..
I think that you misunderstand me. I am not saying that anyone is righteous in the flesh.

The flesh is utterly sinful.

However, we do not have to walk according to the flesh (Romans 8:12).

If we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

Whether you value my prayers or not, you have them.

Because you really need a change of mind.
 

justbyfaith

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Your sanctification is a process that is only achieved by attaining a sinless state on earth.
I do not claim that we can ever be sinless.

Perfect, yes (Hebrews 10:14 (kjv)). Sinless, no (1 John 1:8).

I thought I made that clear with the beginning statements of the OP.
 

justbyfaith

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@Gideon300's signature.

"Lord Jesus did not come to make bad people good. He came to make dead people alive" (GK Chesterton)
"He who has the Son has the Life" The question is, "Does the Son have you?" Jesus is Lord
When animals stop eating meat, so will I.
 

justbyfaith

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I think that you misunderstand me. I am not saying that anyone is righteous in the flesh.

The flesh is utterly sinful.

However, we do not have to walk according to the flesh (Romans 8:12).

If we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

Whether you value my prayers or not, you have them.

Because you really need a change of mind.
I would say also that while we are saved by grace through faith, that we will be judged on the basis of our works (what we do with the Spirit after having received Him by faith). (Revelation 20:11-15, 2 Corinthians 5:10).
 

justbyfaith

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For the one who has been justified ("declared righteous") through faith in Jesus, they will go to the bema seat judgment of Christ; where the judgment will be as concerning rewards rather than condemnation.

While, it is impossible for God to lie.

So, if He says that I am righteous (justification) then I am truly righteous (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6); even in the practical sense.
 

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#12 / @Gideon300

I agree with most of what you said. great post. I would add only:

"Thy will be done, Th y Kingdom come on Earth as it is in Heaven"

we of the Earth -- humans -- asking that the Kingdom come -- to Earth -- to Us.

as we overcome -- the Kingdom is coming true. we can help or hinder. helping is / can be described in many ways -- which also the Bible describes the many ways... in many passages.

that there would be/could be any stopping of the Kingdom somehow if we more and more follow Jesus Christ does not really make sense if you think about -- outside of given to us by other Men Mind Boxes (i.e. dOcTrInEs & DoGmAs) but instead just logically and maybe the help of the Spirit also always in seeking what might be true -- not just the 'accepted' - already - thought- up- things.

God's thoughts are not our thoughts and His ways/thoughts higher and much brighter than our own ways/thoughts.