The Elect?

[Red33]

You are marking words, tilting against windmills and argue for the sake of arguing, ending with attacks and false accusations as a result. You really should know better than that. At least you should show some decency instead of just forcing your way through. AS YOU ALREADY KNOW I have clearly stated earlier that I believe the gospel to be preached to every creature, not just some creatures, and that it is to be offered indiscriminately to all. This should do for all who cares to get my take on the issue. What I mean with being led to is of course that I have no possibility as an individual to do this alone, so I will, of course, reach those who I can reach. Simple as that. Knock off your contentiousness, will you. And one more thing, you will often tell people to "submit", which is of course scriptural, but that does never mean to submit to just anything or anyone. Maybe you imagine that everyone should submit to you and your "understanding". Tell us instead whom YOU submit to by way of leadership/fellowship.

Those may be imaginations in your own heart but submission to the word is done in meekness and humility to receive grace and wisdom in our understanding. God knows our hearts and knows when we submit unto Him by faith through humility to receive grace and truth from those that He has raised up in the body of Christ. God also knows what is in the heart when the supply of the Spirit is rejected from the members of Christ's body who are given for edification and to promote unity in the faith. You still have doctrine that is not part of the whole counsel of God and lacks the wisdom and edification to promote unity in the Spirit and in the body of doctrine that we have been given to build us up in the faith. Believers need sound doctrine to rally around and when they hear doctrine that discredits the head, Christ, then it results in division, strife and casualties associated with a falling away.

 

[feedm3]

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Feed, well-well said Truth on c.c., do not grow weary of doing good, your reward awaits, and not just in Heaven

Christ bro, we can only pray that tribers , jimdig, croners, see that Truth all have said. I understand there ununderstanding though, it will be made all clear as they stay here and listen, we are but vessels and Christ will convict them through hearing of the word and their faith will be changed anew. Praise You, Jesus. Amen !

Thanks green, I appreciate you very much

 

[GreenNnice]

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Originally Posted by GreenNnice I never said anyone can change on their own for salvation.

Yes you did.

Right here:

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It says that God cannot choose someone His chosen unless they CHOOSE Him first.

Jimdig, read deeeply into what I am saying......You're so argumentative, jimdig,.why?

The 'master race' example is to show true selectivity, which is completely opposite of God, who selects no one selectively. All hear the gospel in THIS age of A.D. of Christ

God, like president Obama and other political candidates, makes His case for the unbeliever to choose Him, remember! Christ CONVICTS the the world, with His Holy Spirit upon them!

Then unbeliever votes , or, elects Christ as their Saviour..

Now, jimdig, you might think 'elects' is a poor choice of word because in order to elect someone you need a majority vote......

Ahhh, yes, that makes sense for an election of one voted to power by MANY. BUT, how many votes does it take for you to elect Jesus your Lord, jimdig??

One .

And,, it's whose vote, if this example is talking about you ELECTING CHRIST? Yours

Why can't you see the simplicity of truly WHO can be God's elect IF they choose Him based on God FIRST having showed up in Truth (The Word) to them ????

It is so simple for any ONE to elect Christ their Saviour forevermore. Just repent, and, believe, and, diligently take further steps, worship Him completely, get plugged into a church, get plugged into a Christian website, grow. You will want to grow your relationship with Him once His, through sooo many ways, including steps of faith and proclamation to peers in your church via baptisms of water and Spirit, in His timing. He leads, and, Rome wasn't built in a day. God WILL lead you, He Loves you, HE really, really, really wants you to make it into Heaven .

 

[jandian]

What I like about God is that He is faithful and omniscient and unbiased. Since He is no respecter of persons and He so loved the world; then He at some point He would have drawn all men and given them an opportunity to know Him. Dont worry about the persons in remote places. Just the same way He reached the first man He could reach them, for with God nothing is impossible. Then there are those who actually choose to respond to Him and live for Him, they are His elect. wherever you are in the world, once you give your heart to Jesus. He's yours and you are His.

 

[tribesman]

What I like about God is that He is faithful and omniscient and unbiased. Since He is no respecter of persons and He so loved the world; then He at some point He would have drawn all men and given them an opportunity to know Him. Dont worry about the persons in remote places. Just the same way He reached the first man He could reach them, for with God nothing is impossible. Then there are those who actually choose to respond to Him and live for Him, they are His elect. wherever you are in the world, once you give your heart to Jesus. He's yours and you are His.

1. God is no respecter of persons. True. Yet God is doing the choosing and He did not chose the elect because of any foreseen merit in them (scripture does not say that foreknowledge in this wise means that God "foresaw who would believe").

2. The "all men" in the drawing can not mean literally all. There are millions of people who never heard the gospel. This is a fact.

3. The gospel is not about an "opportunity"/possibility/chance etc, it is the good news about what God has done through the person and work of Christ to save His people. Amen.

 

[GreenNnice]

2. The "all men" in the drawing can not mean literally all. There are millions of people who never heard the gospel. This is a fact.

But God reALLy says, tribers,, that the gospel will be preached to 'ALL THE NATIONS, and, then the end (times) will come.'

Why must you confuse your brain so much, saying, 'the world,' doesn't, literally mean 'all of the people everyone everywhere on planet earth?'

Why must you say that God knowing people who would choose Him, and, not choose Him, in His infinite foreknowledge, is predestination in a over-worded way NOT in scripture, saying that ONLY 'some' will be saved, 'the some' are those of God's elect.

Why must you say that where I do not agree with God's Holy Spirit inspired scripture I will become like God and be able to REALIZE what is Truth and what is not Truth. Why you so almighty, tribers??


Get a grip, bro, you're trying to not just let the Lord lead, and, who knows, only God, if His Spirit teaches you something in Bible not seen by most men, but, TRIBERS!!, you are trying to lead the Lord And, THAT, will NEVER EVER, NO, NOT EVER, HAPPEN, my friend.
Sure, that's possible to hear Him of the Word of some specific ununderstanding of yours, our relationship with Christ for all of us is an individual 'walk.' But, you are not just letting the Lord lead when you say things like, I see contradictions in your word, Lord. Your men got it wrong. LOL. And, I assure you, tribers,, God's authors of the scriptures got it RIGHT.

You are seriously in danger of causing blasphemy to men when you say that you can THINK like God and change what His men wrote.

If I were you, I would, hit the floor, on your knees, praying to God for HOW not to continue this great error of your ways, for Christ died for all, thank God for that and thank Him too for people on c.c. god's elected to help you.

God's elect is a philosophy theologically of one, by the way. YOU (unbeliever, whoever is in unbelief of Christ Saviour to all by death on cross) elect God, it is a person by person basis . No one else ELECTS God but the person who votes God Saviour.. Heaven or Hell. Cast your vote for Him and become God's elect.
but, cast your vote for Satan, and, fear the eternal fire that Luke 19 so aptly foreshadows where many ELECTED to go

 

[feedm3]

The "end" in this context is speaking of the destruction of Jerusalem, the end of the Law of Moses:

Matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come

Col 1:5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

Paul said here in Col the gospel had come there and into all the world. Not long after Paul wrote his Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans in A.D. 70

Lk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh

 

[GreenNnice]

The "end" in this context is speaking of the destruction of Jerusalem, the end of the Law of Moses:

Matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come

Col 1:5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, ad it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

Paul said here in Col the gospel had come there and into all the world. Not long after Paul wrote his Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans in A.D. 70

Lk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh

Feed, in verse 2, Jesus speaks of Jerusalem coming destruction in 70 a.d., but, immediately, in v. 3 , the disciples , misunderstanding Jesus talking about temole destructioj and not end times destruction, but, yes, they are then asking Jesus, ” Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming and at the end of the age?”
Verses 4,5:
And Jesus answered, ” Take heed that no one deceives you.....”

Verse 6 speaks of wars,and rumors of war, but, Jesus tells disciples, 'the end' is not yet.'

Now, for these disciples, they thought Jesus was speaking of the end times.

But yes, after coming 'earthquakes, famines....the beginning of sorrows....tribulation....hated by all naions...betray one another, false prophets deceiving....lawlessness...love of many growing cold....he who endures until the end shall be saved.' (verses 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13).

And, then, feed, we get verse 14, ” And the gospel of the kingdom will be preached and all the world as a witness to all the nations and then the end will come.”

Now, feed, buddy, Christ bro, the next verse does speak of Jerusalem coming destruction, as foretold by prophet, Daniel, but, for my interpretation, and, Dear Lord... Amen, I pray , I only want He who gave me life to speak through me this revealing, but.......

...there is just TOO MUCH talk of 'the end' in verses preceding 'the end' in verse 14 for this whole passage of scripture to not to be foreshadowing, , besides Israel destroyed by desolation coming (70 A.D.) , by Jesus, telling without truly telling when He is coming again.

And, yes, this v. 14 is talking about Israel preached to as the world to hear the gospel, but there are other verses in scripture, aren't there, feed, that speak apart from abomination of desolation for Israel in 70 A.D. , not one of which verses is the great commission verse that essentially says we are to go inti ALL THE WORLD AND PREACH THE GOSPEL .

I appreciate you, too, brother, iron sharpeneth iron

 

[squidget]

just a thought but isn't considering oneself as part of "the elect" the very reason that one couldn't be a part of the elect?
you see it becomes a matter of pride and there is the very thing that will keep someone from the grace of GOD .
it seems best described in Luke 14; 7-14 the parable of the wedding feast

 

[hhhlga89]

just a thought but isn't considering oneself as part of "the elect" the very reason that one couldn't be a part of the elect?
you see it becomes a matter of pride and there is the very thing that will keep someone from the grace of GOD .
it seems best described in Luke 14; 7-14 the parable of the wedding feast

Are you saying born again Christians shouldn't consider themselves as elect? Idk, seems very unbiblical to me. but maybe i'm misunderstanding you.

 

[squidget]

Are you saying born again Christians shouldn't consider themselves as elect? Idk, seems very unbiblical to me. but maybe i'm misunderstanding you.

our salvation is not complete until physical death, yet to be "elect" often means that the belief is one cannot die and this is wrong.

interestingly the word "elect" where it is used in Mathew 24; 24 is reference to those that are chosen by GOD for salvation.

 

[meecha]

our salvation is not complete until physical death, yet to be "elect" often means that the belief is one cannot die and this is wrong.

interestingly the word "elect" where it is used in Mathew 24; 24 is reference to those that are chosen by GOD for salvation.

asking if you are elect is the wrong question....the question is are you walking in faith in general (ie not necessarily today but are you trusting Jesus Christ for salvation). That is the meaning of perseverance. If you are persevering you can have assurance according to God's promises. Without perseverance there can be no assurance. The work of God is to believe in His Son. This is not a "work" as such in the sense of doing something ...it is the simple act of trusting and this is itself a work of grace. Nobody can say I am elect as a stand alone statement.....we can say we are elect according to God's promises imo

 

[squidget]

asking if you are elect is the wrong question....the question is are you walking in faith in general (ie not necessarily today but are you trusting Jesus Christ for salvation). That is the meaning of perseverance. If you are persevering you can have assurance according to God's promises. Without perseverance there can be no assurance. The work of God is to believe in His Son. This is not a "work" as such in the sense of doing something ...it is the simple act of trusting and this is itself a work of grace. Nobody can say I am elect as a stand alone statement.....we can say we are elect according to God's promises imo

that is the only way to live
and to be open (for all to see your life) both the good and bad that way GOD can strip off the bad HIS way.
there is nothing you or i can do to add to our salvation and righteousness if we believe so then that is blasphemy

 

[xBluxTunicx82]

At the risk of starting something I would suggest that those that believe that God loves some and not all, are dealing with two issues:

One they don't believe the Bible is the whole and complete and true Word of God, for they ignore or try and explain away verses like John 3:16.

Two they have a desire to feel special, to be special and that blinds them to the amazing love that God has for all people, even when we fail.

God doesn't love esau/edom! He is not a respector of persons! There are many things which God hates as well. He doesn't love the queer, or the prostitute, or the rapist, or any other abomination!

The elect are the remnant of true Israelites who were chosen before the foundations of the world to have eyes to see and ears to hear. Although a crumb may fall from the masters table, you cannot just run with it and claim understanding.

From start to finish, the book is about the generations of Adam (Strongs #119) ruddy, to show blood in the face... Archaeology proves this as well, the caucasian people are the 'youngest' race on the planet. It was through this race that Jacob would be born, thus, founding an entire line of priests, that would be of the same racial stock. This is what 'kinsman' means. Christ is the 'Kinsman Redeemer', not the 'worldy' redeemerm that job belongs to Satan and his children.

I know this is going to get heated, so before you say anything else, please attack me with scripture please and not your own imaginings of what you want scripture to say.

 

[jandian]

God doesn't love esau/edom! He is not a respector of persons! There are many things which God hates as well. He doesn't love the queer, or the prostitute, or the rapist, or any other abomination!

The elect are the remnant of true Israelites who were chosen before the foundations of the world to have eyes to see and ears to hear. Although a crumb may fall from the masters table, you cannot just run with it and claim understanding.

From start to finish, the book is about the generations of Adam (Strongs #119) ruddy, to show blood in the face... Archaeology proves this as well, the caucasian people are the 'youngest' race on the planet. It was through this race that Jacob would be born, thus, founding an entire line of priests, that would be of the same racial stock. This is what 'kinsman' means. Christ is the 'Kinsman Redeemer', not the 'worldy' redeemerm that job belongs to Satan and his children.

I know this is going to get heated, so before you say anything else, please attack me with scripture please and not your own imaginings of what you want scripture to say.

I'm sorry, I missed your scriptures

 

[loveme1]

God doesn't love esau/edom! He is not a respector of persons! There are many things which God hates as well. He doesn't love the queer, or the prostitute, or the rapist, or any other abomination!

The elect are the remnant of true Israelites who were chosen before the foundations of the world to have eyes to see and ears to hear. Although a crumb may fall from the masters table, you cannot just run with it and claim understanding.

From start to finish, the book is about the generations of Adam (Strongs #119) ruddy, to show blood in the face... Archaeology proves this as well, the caucasian people are the 'youngest' race on the planet. It was through this race that Jacob would be born, thus, founding an entire line of priests, that would be of the same racial stock. This is what 'kinsman' means. Christ is the 'Kinsman Redeemer', not the 'worldy' redeemerm that job belongs to Satan and his children.

I know this is going to get heated, so before you say anything else, please attack me with scripture please and not your own imaginings of what you want scripture to say.

I understand what you say, but through this Salvation is open to all who Repent.

You know the evil rebellion actually infiltrated the blood line to try and create their own saviour....
Since everything that comes to pass is for the Harvest all the evil rebellion do will not change the end, in their own ego and quest, they make a mistake, they underestimate Almighty Yahvah God.

They see not they only grow until the Good crop is Ripe.

 

[xBluxTunicx82]

I'm sorry, I missed your scriptures

i recommend you read them yourselves. Malachi, Romans, Obadiah, the ENTIRE ministry of Christ.

 

[xBluxTunicx82]

I understand what you say, but through this Salvation is open to all who Repent.

You know the evil rebellion actually infiltrated the blood line to try and create their own saviour....
Since everything that comes to pass is for the Harvest all the evil rebellion do will not change the end, in their own ego and quest, they make a mistake, they underestimate Almighty Yahvah God.

They see not they only grow until the Good crop is Ripe.

Agreed. It is too common someone associates truth with what they perceive as 'hate', when in fact I am merely trying to achieve the mind of Christ.

And I am well aware of the 'dual seedline', this Satanic bloodline on earth today. They go by many names, just as Satan.

 

[loveme1]

Agreed. It is too common someone associates truth with what they perceive as 'hate', when in fact I am merely trying to achieve the mind of Christ.

And I am well aware of the 'dual seedline', this Satanic bloodline on earth today. They go by many names, just as Satan.

I know you are aware, in your few posts so far it shines

Let us give Glory to Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah always and forever.

 

[xBluxTunicx82]

Yah bless to you and yours as well. Kinsman