The elephant in the room

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Please look at 1948 map, what's isreal, what's Palestine. Compare it to today. And israel state is still bombing more lands to expand its territory.

Consult history and then compare it with your Bible. You can paint Israel any color of black you want. God is not wishy washy. How about this country always telling other countries what to do, when to do it and how to do it? History reaches way past 1948.

Why why why do people think they know something when they make no effort to actually LEARN something?
 
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Shocking the amount of misinformation and assumptions without merit that are displayed as facts and excuses. Oh sob sob the poor
Palestinians. OK so maybe I like history more than the average person here (and elsewhere) but a false rendition does not change
history and when so much info is available, there is no excuse. Then again I have to remember that not everyone cab cannot the dots.

Make of that what you will.
 
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“From the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates.” (Genesis 15:18–21)
This is the largest stated boundary, and it includes:
River of Egypt — not the Nile, but the Wadi el‑Arish
Euphrates — running through modern Syria and Iraq
The land of ten nations listed in Gen. 15:19–21
This is the full covenant grant.
Yeah, both Arabs and isrealites are there, were there. True.
 
Please look at 1948 map, what's isreal, what's Palestine. Compare it to today. And israel state is still bombing more lands to expand its territory.

If you could see and know what the Lord promised Abraham as his future inheritance?
You would soon see that what is called 'Israel' today is a mere pittance.

Israel, as God is to have it to be, is still in the wings.
 
Consult history and then compare it with your Bible. You can paint Israel any color of black you want. God is not wishy washy. How about this country always telling other countries what to do, when to do it and how to do it? History reaches way past 1948.

Why why why do people think they know something when they make no effort to actually LEARN something?
modern day Israel is not the same Israel in Joshua.
Not same as Abraham.
Not same as David.
David, Joshua, Abraham are the true Israel, plus a few more. I am not going to name every one.
 
modern day Israel is not the same Israel in Joshua.
Not same as Abraham.
Not same as David.
David, Joshua, Abraham are the true Israel, plus a few more. I am not going to name every one.

Of course not but neither is the church. Israel, judisim, all of that is about to change now that the Levites and high priest have no place in the kingdom to come.
The land of Israel is where that will all take place. Surely every one here knows that's where Jesus sets up his kingdom.
And as the good shepherd he is gathering his lost sheep into the land that was promised to them. Gods faithfulness to his word.
Mark Twain describes the Land as a barren waste land...not even fit to be livable in the late 1800s.
Look at it now....has Israel prospered? Is Jerusalem now the capital? Has there been wars and rumors of wars involving Israel.
Mind you Israel is only 78 yrs old with many distractions. But as the Lord spoke....never to be uprooted again.
I started this thread with the question...Muslims with great risk aided jews during ww2 what changed?
A great spiritual awakening has occurred when Israel entered the land. Evil has now become the good for all. Marking the start of the end times.
How has the church changed? Today we see churches being inclusive under the banner of Love.
Not only with the LGBTQ but now embracing Muslims, Islam , as a unity effort disguised as love.
A love to reform the Christian faith into Ideology reinventing the God of the Bible. The history of his people, the very scriptures its self.
 
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Picking up from my last post.
I leave you with these scriptures.

2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you
1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

To be holy is to be separate for the purposes of God.

Many have fallen under the delusion of there own idea as to what the word of God says.
Misunderstanding or flatly denying its meaning.
Israel is the land of promise....its where God calls his attention for the world to be focused on. The promise that your redemption is near. For he will make it a cup of trembling for all the nations to see.
 
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modern day Israel is not the same Israel in Joshua.
Not same as Abraham.
Not same as David.
David, Joshua, Abraham are the true Israel, plus a few more. I am not going to name every one.

You mean there were no cars back then? Come on...what are you trying to say here. Spell it out; I feel slow today. 🧐
 
You mean there were no cars back then? Come on...what are you trying to say here. Spell it out; I feel slow today. 🧐
In OT, Abraham, Jacob, david.... they are God fearing people, they are saved by YHVH, they looked forward toward messiah their redeemer. They are children of God.

Modern day Israel, reject Jesus. Not children of God.
 
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In OT, Abraham, Jacob, david.... they are God fearing people, they are saved by YHVH, they looked forward toward messiah their redeemer. They are children of God.

Modern day Israel, reject Jesus. Not children of God.

My sister, brother, and I grew up being modern-day Jews.
We do not reject Jesus.

Jews that believe in Jesus are no longer Jewish.
We have become a new creation in Christ.

As far as modern-day Israel?
It has become a foreshadowing for prophecy concerning the land where Jews will be living during the Millennium.

God is not done with Jews yet.
Judaism will be reestablished.

Israel will also be reestablished.
Read what will take place concerning the Jews who will be alive on earth during the Millennial reign of Christ.
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This is what the Lord Almighty says: “In those days ten people ​
from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew ​
by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we ​
have heard that God is with you.’” Zechariah 8:23​
​
Meaning?

God is not finished with the Jews!
At present?
He is preserving Jews for a right time in history to be brought back as His representative people on earth.

Also at present?

God is gathering to Himself his church to have resurrected believers reigning with Him during the millennium.

There is no replacement theology.
 
My sister, brother, and I grew up being modern-day Jews.
We do not reject Jesus.
Which synagogue you went to? They don't say Jesus is a liar? They don't say Jesus is in hell? They say Jesus is son of God?
Please clarify.
If they do say Jesus is son of God, messiah, then I am sorry. I was wrong.
Jews that believe in Jesus are no longer Jewish.
We have become a new creation in Christ.
Absolutely agree. Born again in Jesus blood. Born again into Jesus blood covenant.
As far as modern-day Israel?
It has become a foreshadowing for prophecy concerning the land where Jews will be living during the Millennium.
That's up to debate. There are thousands of debate here alone.
I believe Jesus is the real deal. Not a political system.
God is not done with Jews yet.
Whoever return to God before his last breath, like the thief on right side, yes, still have chance.
Judaism will be reestablished.
Judaism?
Not Jesus?
Israel will also be reestablished.
Read what will take place concerning the Jews who will be alive on earth during the Millennial reign of Christ.
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This is what the Lord Almighty says: “In those days ten people ​
from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew ​
by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we ​
have heard that God is with you.’” Zechariah 8:23​
​
Meaning?

God is not finished with the Jews!
At present?
See above about debate.
He is preserving Jews for a right time in history to be brought back as His representative people on earth.
Preserving? Like purposely let them reject Jesus?
God in scripture tell us to return to Him. God never tell anyone to reject Him. God never tell Christians to help jews to rejecting Jesus either.
Also at present?

God is gathering to Himself his church to have resurrected believers reigning with Him during the millennium.

There is no replacement theology.
Who replace who?
Who is shouting replacement?
Replace what?

From beginning to end, always Jesus, no replacement, never!!!
 
In reality?

God has been done with us before we were born.
We are merely catching up to knowing what He knows is to be so.

I can only answer for how He deals with me. Perhaps I misunderstand what you mean, but I do not agree with your 2nd sentence.

God provided hope even as the humans were cast out. How is that done with us? Again, maybe I do not understand u
 
How is that done with us? Again, maybe I do not understand u

I was just throwing in some divine viewpoint...
God's perspective! ;)

We are now involved in a process of of either maturing in Christ, or failing to do so.
Either way. Both are saved.
But both will not receive the same eternal rewards.

We are waiting for the process to be over and done.
But as far as God is concerned?
In His omniscience?
He already knows what we will turn out to be.

In that sense?
God is done with us.
However?
He is always working on us.
Making us to be what He already knows we accept from Him, to make us to become what we shall be at the evaluation of the saints.

For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. ​
If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, ​
their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be ​
revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. If what has been ​
built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss ​
but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.​
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2 Corinthians 3:11-15​

As it says?

Only rewards can be lost.
But, no one will lose their salvation.

If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one ​
escaping through the flames.​

grace and peace.....
 
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Which synagogue you went to? They don't say Jesus is a liar? They don't say Jesus is in hell? They say Jesus is son of God?
Please clarify.
If they do say Jesus is son of God, messiah, then I am sorry. I was wrong.

Synagogues as a rule do not actively teach against Jesus.
Most Jews do not feel any pressure to accept Jesus unless someone witnesses to them.
I attended a local conservative synagogue.

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We are waiting for the process to be over and done.
But as far as God is concerned?
In His omniscience?
He already knows what we will turn out to be.

In that sense?
God is done with us.
However?
He is always working on us.
Making us to be what He already knows we accept from Him, to make us to become what we shall be at the evaluation of the saints.

OK. I understand what you were getting at now. So I agree then. Thanks
 
Synagogues as a rule do not actively teach against Jesus.
Most Jews do not feel any pressure to accept Jesus unless someone witnesses to them.
I attended a local conservative synagogue.

.....
In my area, we are surrounded by synagogues.
They definitely do not consider Jesus as messiah, nor a good guy.
They mostly reject Jesus when we explain to them.
 
In my area, we are surrounded by synagogues.
They definitely do not consider Jesus as messiah, nor a good guy.
They mostly reject Jesus when we explain to them.

Odd...
Where are you that you should have so many synagogues in the same area?
That is not normal.

Jews normally leave Christians alone.
They have no interest in converting Christians.