The end of the world is coming. What should we be looking for?
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Nobody in their right mind denies the fact that Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans under Titus due to their rebellion and rejection of JESUS.....it is also equally clear that Revelation is NOT about that destruction and that Revelation is the REVEALING of JESUS as GOD at the end of the age and the circumstances that surround the event........
The stage set
The near total destruction of the world and humanity
The attempted destruction of the Israel and the Jews
The attempted destruction of the Lord's churches
The attempted total suppression of all truth
The responses of men, creation and God
The lights turned off
The heavens ripped open to reveal JESUS as GOD to humanity
The ingathering of the saints/elect
The protection of Israel and national salvation when they look upon JESUS
The wrath of God upon humanity that has been gathered under the beast and false prophet in total rebellion and denial of the one true God while embracing the false little puny god of this age.
The 42 months and the 1260 days are symbolic numbers.
Together they make a symbolic 7 times.
Notice that it never says "7 YEARS", it's saying 7 TIMES, 2 parts of 3 1/2 times.
The history of the 7 times is found in Daniel 4:4-37, 25.
The king is to be as an animal for 7 times. But it never says exactly how long the 7 times is, according to the time of men.
It is an undetermined amount by men, but a time period set by God.
It could have been 7 wks, 5 wks, 3 wks, or 200 days, it doesn't say.
The times are referred to as months and days in the Rev, to show that the woman of Rev 12, and the 2 witness are the same time period. the second 3 1/2 times, 70 ad until 1967.
Yes, In Daniel 2, see the statue of the gentile nations that rule over Israel (people) until they are restored to military control over Jerusalem.
The 4 gentile nations rule Israel for 1000's of years.
The same 4 gentile nations are paralleled in Daniel 7 as 4 beasts.
The legs/toes of iron, are also the 4th beast.
The 4th beast is given power over Israel for 3 1/2 times v 25.
But we see in the passage of Daniel 2, that Rome rules for 2000 years. From 67 BC, until Israel is restored to military control over Jerusalem, 1967.
So the rule of the iron, Roman Empire, lasts far longer than 7 years or 3 1/2 years.
The rule of Caesar over Israel has been 2000 years.
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The 7 times equal the same time as shown in the statue in Daniel 2.
The first 3 1/2 times, is from Babylon until 70 AD.
The second 3 1/2 times is from 70 AD, until 1967.
Then the 7 times, the time that the gentile nations rule over Israel, is over.
Rev 17:18, The beast is a city, that the woman (false religion) sits on.
The city that ruled over the kings of Israel at that time was Rome.
The city that has 7 hills/mountains is Rome. Rev 17:9.
The Antichrist is Caesar, And the image of Caesar, for the last 1500 yrs has been the Bishop of Rome (Vatican).
Rome attacked Israel, both natural and wild branches.
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The "wrath of God", is God withdrawing His love, blessings, and protection over the natural branches, for rejecting the gospel kingdom. Then the evil comes "flooding in".
The seals/trumpets, show that the natural branches are suffering for being "cut off" from God and His blessings. Their relationship with God is shown as the events of the seals and trumpets. The things shown happen to Israel, not the whole planet, Israel is the center.
Rome and the gentile nations are seen attacking Israel, but the spiritual relationship of Israel with God is shown also in the events.
History does repeat itself to some degree Stones - each generation makes the same old mistakes.
The theme of revelation is one that runs from Genesis all the way to John's apocalypse - shedding of innocent blood.
Cain and Abel, all the prophets, Jesus and his apostles.
Isa 59:7 Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.
They were guilty of other things to - but we see from both the gospels and John's apocalypse that vengeance would be dealt out on Israel/Judah for shedding that innocent blood:
Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Rev 16:6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
Rev 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
So in the above we have apostate Israel/Judah receiving judgement in Jesus' generation for killing innocent blood in fulfillment of the old testament and what Jesus stated in Mat 23:35 and
Luke 18:7 now, will not God bring about justice for His elect who cry to Him day and night, and will He delay long over them?
Luke 18:8 “I tell you that He will bring about justice for them quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?”
In the above Jesus is telling his hearers that God is not going to delay justice but is bringing it about quickly.
Therefore the book of revelation is dealing with only one great city - Jerusalem of the 1st century AD. Once that is established the rest falls into place. Took me a long time to understand that.
Jesus tells us: When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, standing where it ought not; know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
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When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Do you see a finality though Locutus? Or ages just continuing on and on? This is what I don't understand.
Deleted that last post. I felt displeasure from the Lord, so please don't address it if you were thinking of posting a reply.
No, it's not absurd if you look at all the scriptures in a topic study Dcon. There was pagan ways introduced into sacrifices it seems from the very beginning.
God gave instructions about how each sacrifice was to be done. They didn't always adhere to His way.
I am seeing Israel in a different light. The Pharisees and scribes knew what was right, but didn't care. Rome was in control. Those who were to rule in the temple worship for the people, became rulers over the people, and did things for their own advantage. Not for the prospering of all.
They were seeking favor with Herod, choosing govt. control for security, rather than God in control.
Jesus came to right all this in Israel as Messiah, deliverer. But, was rejected.
The destruction of Jerusalem was because the people rose up against Rome, and was unable to be controlled.
If Jesus had been King, things would of been different. But again, according to foreknowledge, He knew what would happen. And His mission would be Saviour of the world.
Fortunately for us this happened.
Think less “spiritual” and more “scientific” and you just might understand what is going to happen. The world resets itself every so often. What is, WAS. Nothing is new under the sun. Civilizations rise and fall. There is abundant evidence of this. Read the Bible with this in mind, we were created and are intellectual property of Him. His Son is returning and will be in charge after the next destruction of the earth described in Revelation. That’s what’s coming...the end of this age. It’s a natural thing that He can “beam us up” from. In the rubble the Antichrist will gain dominion over the planet temporarily. Look at the succession of events, it will be a military campaign. First the Christ returns on the Mountain with his 144000, then the harvest (blood bath to a horses bridal) surmounting to the final battle at Armageddon with entire army including elect. In my head it looks more like Star Wars. I think Independence Day made it look like when Christ returns it will be an invasion instead of a rescue party. At Armageddon why did all of the armies of the world turn their attentions to battle the coming Messiah? It’s because we are being conditioned to see Him as the enemy, instead of the Creator.
I said Herod just as a way of saying the ruler at the time. Not a history buff, and I always thought history boring. So whoever that was in rule...
hey, I'm trying. Lol
Please take no offence in me saying this but once I was also in the same position as you in regards to your statement, "can someone confirm...". Now if you think about it if "someone" was of one of the preterist flavours then they would say the things to support that. On the other hand if "someone", was of one of the futurist/Disp. flavours then they would say things to support that right?
At the end after "someone" does say whether or not the temple was defaced in answer to your question then wont you still need to know where it was why,how ect.? You see if you ask "someone" to give you the answer to this then you will end up only having "someone's opinion" on the matter and then you will need to know which was telling you the truth and then it wont be a waist of time so to speak but the only way you would know for sure is to read it yourself and know who told you the truth,right?lol
Again take no offence in my saying this the truth is that I myself once ask those same things you did and really just wanted to have someone give the scoop so I didn't need to read a set of books (Josephus,Wars ect.) lol. I think that the most important set of books,writings in fact are the bible it's self and see the books/writings of Josephus(and others) as only a type of history and the opinion of the author of them. The difference being the scriptures are inspired(2 Peter 1:21) and books such as Josephus and others are not and so may or may not be correct.
In the bible (Acts 21:26) James,Paul, the disciples in Jerusalem ect. are going about the ordinances,customs,rituals ect. as though the temple was not defiled and still in full power/effect. It would seem that if the apostles,disciples,Christians ect. still saw it proper and not improper to go to Jerusalem and to the temple and offer sacrifices to God they saw it as not defiled(the temple) and so up to Acts 21:26 https://www.blueletterbible.org/study/pnt/pnt02.cfm this should correspond to around AD58. So then as of AD58 the temple was not as it seems yet defiled from something we trust(scripture/ 2Peter 1:21). So what then from ad58 to ad70 leaves 12 years from when the apostles saw it as not yet defiled until it was destroyed was it seen as defiled by the Jews or Christians across those 12 years?
In the Gospels,Epistles Revelation,Acts ect. the defiling is spoken of as something future tense (going to happen) and so it happened across the 12 years or it hasn’t happened yet but the thing is is that the destruction of Jerusalem is not mentioned in any of the scriptures as if it had happened already(past tense). So the Revelation is dated either ad96 or some unknown date before ad70 but obviously after the death of Christ(Revelation 5:9-12) and it is either saying what is about to happen across that 12 year time span from ad58 to ad70 or it is still future=preterism/futurism,lol.
So where to look to find any other source of information on the matter that would shed some sort of light on it? You see the only way to answer this question is to find out what took place across that 12 year time span and historical writings,Josephus,early Church letters, Jewish writings ect. are the only other choice since the bible never mentions the temple after it was destroyed(post ad70),
Back to Josephus wars book 2 , Josephus: Of the War, Book II (lol,22 long chapters) but this is what I found when I read it. If you do a "word search" the word "sacrifice"(it's forms) it appears 20 times. The word impiety appears 3 times,Pella 1 time ect.
So if you notice the times "sacrifice" is mentioned in the book this is what I notice. I notice that everyone seems to think the temple is still not defiled and arguing over some trying to sacrifice to the keep it that way(the Jews) and gentiles wanting to have them offer sacrifices for them at the temple and the Jews not wanting to at all. I notice that when the Roman solder flipped a earthen pot over in Cesarea they(the Jews) saw the place as polluted and were angry. In chapter 18 of wars2 "Pella" is laid waste so as of ad66 Pella was not a safe place(Matthew 24:15-21) so the AOD spoken of by Daniel was not yet seen if Pella has anything to do with it. I also notice that "impiety" is the focus 3 times in regards to how the Jews viewed Caesar in the fact that they did not see him as a God as some think but rebelled/revolted instead.
I suppose if I was "someone" I could go on and on,lol. I don’t think is was polluted/defiled in anyone's view during that time frame why though is that none of the main figures of that time frame (Apostles,Christians,Jews,Romans,Greeks ect.) act as though it was.
Adam Clarke refers to Josephus in his commentary:
Verse 15
The abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel - This abomination of desolation, St. Luke, ( Luke 21:20, Luke 21:21), refers to the Roman army; and this abomination standing in the holy place is the Roman army besieging Jerusalem; this, our Lord says, is what was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, in the ninth and eleventh chapters of his prophecy; and so let every one who reads these prophecies understand them; and in reference to this very event they are understood by the rabbins.
The Roman army is called an abomination, for its ensigns and images, which were so to the Jews. Josephus says, (War, b. vi. chap. 6), the Romans brought their ensigns into the temple, and placed them over against the eastern gate, and sacrificed to them there. The Roman army is therefore fitly called the abomination, and the abomination which maketh desolate, as it was to desolate and lay waste Jerusalem; and this army besieging Jerusalem is called by St. Mark, Mark 13:14, standing where it ought not, that is, as in the text here, the holy place; as not only the city, but a considerable compass of ground about it, was deemed holy, and consequently no profane persons should stand on it.
Verse 15
The abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel - This abomination of desolation, St. Luke, ( Luke 21:20, Luke 21:21), refers to the Roman army; and this abomination standing in the holy place is the Roman army besieging Jerusalem; this, our Lord says, is what was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, in the ninth and eleventh chapters of his prophecy; and so let every one who reads these prophecies understand them; and in reference to this very event they are understood by the rabbins.
The Roman army is called an abomination, for its ensigns and images, which were so to the Jews. Josephus says, (War, b. vi. chap. 6), the Romans brought their ensigns into the temple, and placed them over against the eastern gate, and sacrificed to them there. The Roman army is therefore fitly called the abomination, and the abomination which maketh desolate, as it was to desolate and lay waste Jerusalem; and this army besieging Jerusalem is called by St. Mark, Mark 13:14, standing where it ought not, that is, as in the text here, the holy place; as not only the city, but a considerable compass of ground about it, was deemed holy, and consequently no profane persons should stand on it.
lol, It always makes me chuckle when I see "someone" post that quote from Adam Clarke ,this is what I notice about it. Jesus said that when they saw it to flee but A. Clarke sees it as something that happened "after the siege" instead of "before" and so it would have been to late to flee when they saw it because the siege was over.lol
The word Imperator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperator which is what was taking place in chapter 6 Josephus: Of the War, Book VI ,,,the Roman's were making Titus Imperator to them(the Romans) by setting up their Aquila(ensigns) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquila_(Roman) ...
At the same time the Jews who were involved in the revolt/siege ad66-70 were killed while they were resisting Caesar and so it would be imposable to see them(those Jews) as being the same as the ones who received the wrath of God Revelation 14;9 ,13:15, 16;2 ,19;20 or 20:4 and why is because from wars 2,3,4 ect. the Jews were not using Caesar's money nor worshipping him but instead were revolting/rebelling against him.
So they were killed before they(the Romans) set up these ensigns in book 6 chapter 6 and not after they did, so from Revelation 13:15 the "image" is set up and then those who would not worship the image of the beast were killed which is completely backwards from the order of events from bk.6.6... so twice Adam Clarke reversed the order of scripture and the events of history.
I don't think he's saying that at all soandso - not the way I read it. I think you are misunderstanding what he is saying there.
Well, I missed this completely. Lol
I think I better stick to what I know. History gives me a headache. Literally. So back to word studies. and reading from you guys.
Still, I do believe if sacrifices would be instituted in a Jewish temple, it certainly would be an abomination because Jesus has fulfilled them all. And that is seen in the OT allegorically.
I think I better stick to what I know. History gives me a headache. Literally. So back to word studies.
and reading from you guys. Still, I do believe if sacrifices would be instituted in a Jewish temple, it certainly would be an abomination because Jesus has fulfilled them all. And that is seen in the OT allegorically.
Well, I missed this completely. Lol
I think I better stick to what I know. History gives me a headache. Literally. So back to word studies.
Still, I do believe if sacrifices would be instituted in a Jewish temple, it certainly would be an abomination because Jesus has fulfilled them all. And that is seen in the OT allegorically.
I do think you are on the right trail.
Well, I missed this completely. Lol
I think I better stick to what I know. History gives me a headache. Literally. So back to word studies.
Still, I do believe if sacrifices would be instituted in a Jewish temple, it certainly would be an abomination because Jesus has fulfilled them all. And that is seen in the OT allegorically.
The abomination that makes desolate is the placement of the image of the beast....the same one given power by the 2nd beast to both speak and cause as many that will not worship the image to be killed by having their heads whacked off......JEWS were crucified ONLY ROMAN citizens were afforded the right to be beheaded.......