The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation
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“We will be judged BY HIS WORD not men's opinion”
Amen
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
John 12:48-50 KJV
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
2 Corinthians 5:10 KJV
Amen
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
John 12:48-50 KJV
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
2 Corinthians 5:10 KJV
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As uncomfortable as the thought may be, no doubt God put His hand out to people when they actually had the ability to take up their cross and follow Him; yet they did not.
It's not popular in today's day and age but people are in fact accountable to God for what they do and do not do with the life He so graciously provided. According to Jesus, everyone will be judged by the word and it establishes what is required of everyone living in the NT and that includes water baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sin. (Acts 2:38, 22:16...)
It's not popular in today's day and age but people are in fact accountable to God for what they do and do not do with the life He so graciously provided. According to Jesus, everyone will be judged by the word and it establishes what is required of everyone living in the NT and that includes water baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sin. (Acts 2:38, 22:16...)
yeah those silly “ formulas “ of God
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.”
Acts 2:38-40
Who’s gonna believe such things when we have “ faith and grace “
by “faith “we toss out all the doctrine and say saved by “ grace “so therefore baptism doesn’t mean what gods word teaches it means …..
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.”
Acts 2:38-40
Who’s gonna believe such things when we have “ faith and grace “
by “faith “we toss out all the doctrine and say saved by “ grace “so therefore baptism doesn’t mean what gods word teaches it means …..
There is no harmony on this thread, yet the same on other threads.
One being you are not saved if you don't speak in tongues.
Yet many Bible verses contradict others.
Do you agree?
I posted the following..
You see, if one considers JESUS to be GOD then in Matthew when it says "IN THE NAME OF" (JESUS NAME) the father, the son and the Holy Ghost THEN it is a peice that fits in with the of the rest of HIS word.
I also posted
47 Therefore I say to you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much. But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little.”
48 Then He said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”
49 And those who sat at the table with Him began to say to themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”
50 Then He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you. Go in peace.”
Notice Jesus said YOUR FAITH HAS SAVED YOU.
Now I have been told it does not, and I'm sure a load more on this thread and others.
Confusion reigns and so does juadhenrmet on who is saved and who is not.
Now a simple person like me believe that those who teach something that is not gold will be saved through the fire yet simple people like me and many others here are told they are not saved through the fire and are going to hell.
Now do you see my point?
One being you are not saved if you don't speak in tongues.
Yet many Bible verses contradict others.
Do you agree?
I posted the following..
You see, if one considers JESUS to be GOD then in Matthew when it says "IN THE NAME OF" (JESUS NAME) the father, the son and the Holy Ghost THEN it is a peice that fits in with the of the rest of HIS word.
I also posted
47 Therefore I say to you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much. But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little.”
48 Then He said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”
49 And those who sat at the table with Him began to say to themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”
50 Then He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you. Go in peace.”
Notice Jesus said YOUR FAITH HAS SAVED YOU.
Now I have been told it does not, and I'm sure a load more on this thread and others.
Confusion reigns and so does juadhenrmet on who is saved and who is not.
Now a simple person like me believe that those who teach something that is not gold will be saved through the fire yet simple people like me and many others here are told they are not saved through the fire and are going to hell.
Now do you see my point?
18 Now when Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money,
19 saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay my hands, he may receive the Holy Spirit.
20 But Peter said unto him, Thy silver perish with thee, because thou hast thought to obtain the gift of God with money.
21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right before God.
22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray the Lord, if perhaps the thought of thy heart shall be forgiven thee.
23 For I see that thou art in the gall of bitterness and in the bond of iniquity.
24 And Simon answered and said, Pray ye for me to the Lord, that none of the things which ye have spoken come upon me.
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It doesn't say if the Apostles prayed for him.
I think it's possible that Peter had this Discernment we read in verses 20-24 and figured God would know if Simon truly repented or not.
19 saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay my hands, he may receive the Holy Spirit.
20 But Peter said unto him, Thy silver perish with thee, because thou hast thought to obtain the gift of God with money.
21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right before God.
22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray the Lord, if perhaps the thought of thy heart shall be forgiven thee.
23 For I see that thou art in the gall of bitterness and in the bond of iniquity.
24 And Simon answered and said, Pray ye for me to the Lord, that none of the things which ye have spoken come upon me.
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It doesn't say if the Apostles prayed for him.
I think it's possible that Peter had this Discernment we read in verses 20-24 and figured God would know if Simon truly repented or not.
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Yeah i agree they’re arguing no matter what the subject. It’s because everyone has thier own interpretation of verses instead of all learning what’s written in the gospel accounts and epistles of the apostles .
the reason is a parting from true Christian doctrine found in gods word and inventing things more suitable to thier own heart and mind .
The answer to it is for people to start learning what’s there in everyone’s Bible
There aren’t many doctrines there’s one in the nt all the subjects have tbier place and purpose in gods eternal kingdom
“I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
2 Timothy 4:1-4 KJV
the truth is this word
“Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37 KJV
So for instance
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16
That’s the truth but also notice it doesn’t say “ if you believe but then somehow you aren’t able to get baptized your damned “ it says of you don’t believe the gospel you’ll be damned .
baptism is of faith we should hear it like this
“He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
Mark 16:16 KJV
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38 KJV
see faith is when we hear gods word to us like mark 16 there for every creature and we believe what he said. But we do t then add thinking to it like “ well okay but what if o do t want to get baptized ?” Or what if i don’t ?” Will I be damned them ?”
things of faith don’t work that way they aren’t of doibt and possible success or possible failure . Faith requires us to k ow if God says something and makes us a promise he will bring to pass what he said how he said .
Even when it includes him telling us to do something and he’ll bless us in turn . Like “ be baptized in Jesus name for remission of sins …..and I will give you the Holy Ghost “
the people who heard tbat and believed acted upon it and they were added to the church. They acted not because they thought “ we’ll it’s an irrelevant rule i needto keep “ they acted because they heard and believed what Peter was preaching to them by the spirit he had just been filled with. They believed “ if we repent and get baptized in Jesus name for remission of sins , God will forgive us our sins and give us the gift of the Holy Ghost “
faith needs to be based on what God said like this
“And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand toward heaven, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, even darkness which may be felt.
And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days:”
Exodus 10:21-22 KJV
god says do this and then I’ll do the greater thing . And Moses hears him and acts knowing God is able to keep his word.
all moses did was what god said lifted his hand in obedience to gods powerful effective word of promise and then it came to pass . That’s how baptism is you hear the word about remission of sins in Jesus name , then you act upon it because you believe the promise of remission of sins and the Holy Ghost
Faith Conrad rom hearing the word of Christ in the gospel we’re saved by that faith because it’s built upon the truth
the reason is a parting from true Christian doctrine found in gods word and inventing things more suitable to thier own heart and mind .
The answer to it is for people to start learning what’s there in everyone’s Bible
There aren’t many doctrines there’s one in the nt all the subjects have tbier place and purpose in gods eternal kingdom
“I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
2 Timothy 4:1-4 KJV
the truth is this word
“Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37 KJV
So for instance
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16
That’s the truth but also notice it doesn’t say “ if you believe but then somehow you aren’t able to get baptized your damned “ it says of you don’t believe the gospel you’ll be damned .
baptism is of faith we should hear it like this
“He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
Mark 16:16 KJV
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38 KJV
see faith is when we hear gods word to us like mark 16 there for every creature and we believe what he said. But we do t then add thinking to it like “ well okay but what if o do t want to get baptized ?” Or what if i don’t ?” Will I be damned them ?”
things of faith don’t work that way they aren’t of doibt and possible success or possible failure . Faith requires us to k ow if God says something and makes us a promise he will bring to pass what he said how he said .
Even when it includes him telling us to do something and he’ll bless us in turn . Like “ be baptized in Jesus name for remission of sins …..and I will give you the Holy Ghost “
the people who heard tbat and believed acted upon it and they were added to the church. They acted not because they thought “ we’ll it’s an irrelevant rule i needto keep “ they acted because they heard and believed what Peter was preaching to them by the spirit he had just been filled with. They believed “ if we repent and get baptized in Jesus name for remission of sins , God will forgive us our sins and give us the gift of the Holy Ghost “
faith needs to be based on what God said like this
“And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand toward heaven, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, even darkness which may be felt.
And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days:”
Exodus 10:21-22 KJV
god says do this and then I’ll do the greater thing . And Moses hears him and acts knowing God is able to keep his word.
all moses did was what god said lifted his hand in obedience to gods powerful effective word of promise and then it came to pass . That’s how baptism is you hear the word about remission of sins in Jesus name , then you act upon it because you believe the promise of remission of sins and the Holy Ghost
Faith Conrad rom hearing the word of Christ in the gospel we’re saved by that faith because it’s built upon the truth
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To say there is no evidence of what was said is a clear rejection of the word. Especially since the biblical record reveals the name of Jesus was consistently referenced. Not one time do we see it said they were baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Keep in mind that it is the word of God that everyone will be judged by, not man's opinion.
Acts 8 states when they believed Philip's preaching and the name of Jesus they were baptized. And later in verse 16, it states they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. It does not say they were baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
Peter commanded Cornelius and others to be water baptized in the name of the Lord. No mention of being baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Acts 10:43-47-48
Peter commanded everyone at Pentecost is be baptized in the name of the Lord. No mention of baptism to be administered in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Acts 2:38
Paul baptized the 12 men in the name of the Lord Jesus. Again, no mention of their being baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Acts 19:5
Acts 8 states when they believed Philip's preaching and the name of Jesus they were baptized. And later in verse 16, it states they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. It does not say they were baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
Peter commanded Cornelius and others to be water baptized in the name of the Lord. No mention of being baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Acts 10:43-47-48
Peter commanded everyone at Pentecost is be baptized in the name of the Lord. No mention of baptism to be administered in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Acts 2:38
Paul baptized the 12 men in the name of the Lord Jesus. Again, no mention of their being baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Acts 19:5
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Everyone is going to be judged by the word of God. And it reveals people were baptized in the name of Jesus and it's void of any mention of people being baptized using the phrase, in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Since the word is the final authority, I for one chose to get re-baptized in the name of Jesus after becoming aware of what was actually recorded there.
Consider as well those who are baptized are baptized into JESUS Himself:
Rom 6:3-8
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ,
KJV
Consider as well those who are baptized are baptized into JESUS Himself:
Rom 6:3-8
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ,
KJV
I was not implying that receiving water baptism after one repents was silly.
I was implying that it's silly to say that someone who is baptized by someone who uses the formula 'in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit' instead of 'in Jesus name' only won't be saved.
I already covered Acts 2:38 in post #426. Those who repented at the words of Peter (also see Acts 3:19; 10:43-47; 11:17,18 and properly harmonize scripture with scripture) saved themselves from that untoward generation. They did not save themselves by works.
I was implying that it's silly to say that someone who is baptized by someone who uses the formula 'in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit' instead of 'in Jesus name' only won't be saved.
I already covered Acts 2:38 in post #426. Those who repented at the words of Peter (also see Acts 3:19; 10:43-47; 11:17,18 and properly harmonize scripture with scripture) saved themselves from that untoward generation. They did not save themselves by works.
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If either way was acceptable why is there no record of the apostles water baptizing anyone using the phrase, in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost? This is very important to consider since the word says things are established by at least 2-3 witnesses/references. And church history reveals the phrase was instituted by forerunners of the RCC around 325 A.D. Their own literature confirms this fact.
