The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation
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Haven't you heard of The Lord Jesus Christ, Father, the Allmighty God who made the Heavens and the Earth and everything else we know about and also the unknown we don't know about. That our Father God has created. The Lord Jesus Christ said, 'Before Abraham, I was. Our Lord Jesus was with God.' The Lord's prayer starts with our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Jesus is proclaiming his Father, God, to be the Father of all Christians, because all the way through the New Testament, the Lord speaks and prays to his heavenly Father. You don't really believe in Jesus or God, do you? Why are you on this site? Do you want to give Christians a bad time?
I don't think you're familiar with this discussion. Nor are of me. Reread, guy, before you make assumptions.
Romans 8:16
The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,
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The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,
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No one can prove the existence of God, but they can claim to know Him. There is nothing wrong with this statement.
When someone admits that false assurance exist, true assurance cannot.
In simple terms... we can be wrong.
John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent (which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship). The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him and not merely theoretical knowledge.
Amen! 1 John 5:11 - And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.Romans 8:16
The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,
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Wrong??? This is what you wrote before you somehow when back and deleted it from post# 970.
"you have to be saved before you are water-baptized and also to receive the Holy Spirit to confirm your born-again experience that had to happen before water baptism"
And you have the gall to call me dishonest and a buffoon?
Can anyone tell me if this is allowed on Christian Chat? What CS1 deleted and then claimed to not have wrote is on post# 1047.
Can a claimed intimate experiential relationship with God be sincere but false?John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent (which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship). The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him and not merely theoretical knowledge.
In other words, can we be wrong?
Yes or No?
Yes and those who don't truly know Him (but think they do) are wrong. (Matthew 7:22-23)
So, what you are saying is NOBODY can have true assurance of salvation and Romans 8:16 and 1 John 5:11-13 are a lie? Yes or No?
Sure one can be wrong...Matthew 7:21-23. But one can be right...1 John 5:13. All depends upon Who you know, not what you do. You apparently haven't come to know the difference. That's unfortunate because God never meant for us not to know.
Romans 8:16
The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,
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Romans 8 verses 15-16 You did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
You seem to think that logical fallacies are your friend. They are not.
Amen! 1 John 5:11 - And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
John 17 verses 2-3 ~ You granted Him authority over all people, so that He may give eternal life to all those You have given Him. Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, Whom You have sent.
That is so true.
The Jews had a PHD in God and the types and shadows. And they slowly and methodically fell away from....
James 2:23
And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
The gentiles had not a clue of baptism and all the types and shadows of Christ. Israel should have known.
John 3:10
Jesus answered and said to him, “You are the teacher of Israel, and yet you do not understand these things?
What is interesting about those verses is it clarifies two specific issues.
1. Didn't do the Will of the Father
2. Workers of Iniquity
I am fascinated because the Devil knows if you believe in Jesus or not. If someone truly doesn't believe in Jesus it doesn't make sense they can use Jesus Name [someone they don't believe in] but still be able to cast out demons [which the demons would know if you truly believed in Jesus or not]. (The Disciples weren't able to cast the demons in the boy during Jesus Transfiguration out and they believed in Jesus).
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This goes for miracles. If it requires Faith to say to the tree be moved then having no Faith in Jesus but getting miracles seems impossible.
But then Jesus makes a clarification about being a worker of Iniquity.
I believe these people are backsliders. If they truly cast out demons and did miracles in Jesus Name [which requires BELIEF] then the worker of Iniquity must mean they backslid.
To see anything accomplished in Jesus Name means you have to believe in Jesus and have faith in Jesus.
But a worker of Iniquity means you threw it away and became a backslider.
Because no one is able to perform miracles and cast out demons in Jesus Name without truly believing it's possible and that requires Faith which means you believe and are a follower of Jesus.
I will not say there is not a trinity but the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is Jesus and Jews, Gentiles, and Samaritans, were all baptized in the name of Jesus.
Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works
Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Joh 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
The Father's name is Jesus.
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
The Son inherited the name Jesus.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
The Holy Ghost comes in the name of Jesus.
Jews were baptized in the name Jesus.
Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Samaritans were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Gentiles were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works
Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Joh 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
The Father's name is Jesus.
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
The Son inherited the name Jesus.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
The Holy Ghost comes in the name of Jesus.
Jews were baptized in the name Jesus.
Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Samaritans were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Gentiles were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.