The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

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You don't even know if sin will enter Heaven?

If you don't even know that I can see why you don't know how to get rid of it.

Or do you? Do you know how to get rid of it, or just refuse to accept HIS word?

The Lord Jesus Christ took my sin unto himself, And without holiness, no one shall see God. God can't look on sin, but he does see it; he is offended by it, and he will Judge it.

If you don't even know that, I can see why you don't know how to get rid of it.

No one goes to the Father except through Jesus. And their sins had to be atoned. Jesus got rid of my sin. Not water baptism.

 

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i wouldn’t say acknowledging parts of doctrine and what they are for is blasphemous or they wouldn’t have taught it in scripture.

This is true

“for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This is true also

“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This also is true doctrine of God

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,


and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is the Truth

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This Also true of those who get baptized in his name

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-4‬ ‭

truth john said this

“I indeed have baptized you with water:

but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:8‬ ‭

also true Jesus said this

“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:5‬ ‭


then just look at what they did they baptized people in water for remission of sins in Jesus name ……

You are adding to the text. in 1cor 15:3
born of water is not speaking of baptism it is speaking of the natural birth in John 3:5

 

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The Lord Jesus Christ took my sin unto himself, And without holiness, no one shall see God. God can't look on sin, but he does see it; he is offended by it, and he will Judge it.

If you don't even know that, I can see why you don't know how to get rid of it.

No one goes to the Father except through Jesus. And their sins had to be atoned. Jesus got rid of my sin. Not water baptism.

SO TO YOU EVERYONE GOES TO HEAVEN.

NO ONE NEEDS TO DO ANYTHING!!

Wonder why JESUS says the path to HELL is BROAD AND WIDE?

The more I deal with hard as rock people who will not even look at HIS word, I understand why he says it.

Why is anyone

The Lord Jesus Christ took my sin unto himself, And without holiness, no one shall see God. God can't look on sin, but he does see it; he is offended by it, and he will Judge it.

If you don't even know that, I can see why you don't know how to get rid of it.

No one goes to the Father except through Jesus. And their sins had to be atoned. Jesus got rid of my sin. Not water baptism.

Satan's best plan, keep them out of the water!!

 

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SO TO YOU EVERYONE GOES TO HEAVEN.

NO ONE NEEDS TO DO ANYTHING!!

Wonder why JESUS says the path to HELL is BROAD AND WIDE?

The more I deal with hard as rock people who will not even look at HIS word, I understand why he says it.

Why is anyone


Satan's best plan, keep them out of the water!!

Are you serious? All the posts here, you come up with this ?
Did not we and I say that it is Jesus alone who saves and all who must believe in him and be saved by grace through faith? As the word of God states in John 3:16-19 and Romans chapter 10:9-11

When did I or anyone else suggest
"SO TO YOU EVERYONE GOES TO HEAVEN. NO ONE NEEDS TO DO ANYTHING!!"

Now, you are trying to pull a fast one with a narrative I did not say or believe. You are dishonest.

I am not a universalist. You call us hard rock people LOL it is you who are creating false narttivie of Other and trying to chnage the topic because you have not refuted the word of God presented to you.

here you go again

Contextual Response on the Oneness Viewpoint:


Let’s be honest and stay rooted in what Scripture actually reveals. Those who hold to the Oneness doctrine believe that God is one person who manifests Himself in different modes—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—but is not three distinct persons. They argue that these are just different roles or manifestations of Jesus.


However, Matthew 3:16–17 presents a clear moment where all three Persons of the Godhead are present and active at once:

“After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and settling on Him, and behold, a voice from the heavens said, ‘This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.’”

Those holding to Oneness theology will often say that Jesus was speaking to Himself.

But if we are honest with the text, that’s not what it says. The voice came from heaven, not from Jesus. The Son is being baptized, the Spirit is descending, and the Father is speaking.


To claim that Jesus threw His voice to make it sound like it came from heaven is not only speculative—it imposes something onto the text that isn’t there. It’s human reasoning trying to patch over what the plain reading contradicts.


This is a good time to apply a sound principle of biblical interpretation: Where the Word of God is silent, we should remain silent. We shouldn't force doctrines into Scripture when the text doesn't support them.


Sometimes the most faithful answer is, “I don’t know,” rather than crafting elaborate explanations that add to or distort Scripture.

 

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SO TO YOU EVERYONE GOES TO HEAVEN.

NO ONE NEEDS TO DO ANYTHING!!

Wonder why JESUS says the path to HELL is BROAD AND WIDE?

The more I deal with hard as rock people who will not even look at HIS word, I understand why he says it.

Why is anyone


Satan's best plan, keep them out of the water!!

I know you are stuck in pride, but nobody here has said not to be baptized with water. We have said water Baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is valid as Baptism in Jesus' name is. Stop lying.

 

[Kroogz]

Satan's best plan, keep them out of the water!!

Satans best plan.........Keep them in the water and DROWN them.

 

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Are you serious? All the posts here, you come up with this ?
Did not we and I say that it is Jesus alone who saves and all who must believe in him and be saved by grace through faith? As the word of God states in John 3:16-19 and Romans chapter 10:9-11

When did I or anyone else suggest
"SO TO YOU EVERYONE GOES TO HEAVEN. NO ONE NEEDS TO DO ANYTHING!!"

Now, you are trying to pull a fast one with a narrative I did not say or believe. You are dishonest.

I am not a universalist. You call us hard rock people LOL it is you who are creating false narttivie of Other and trying to chnage the topic because you have not refuted the word of God presented to you.

here you go again

Contextual Response on the Oneness Viewpoint:


Let’s be honest and stay rooted in what Scripture actually reveals. Those who hold to the Oneness doctrine believe that God is one person who manifests Himself in different modes—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—but is not three distinct persons. They argue that these are just different roles or manifestations of Jesus.


However, Matthew 3:16–17 presents a clear moment where all three Persons of the Godhead are present and active at once:

“After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and settling on Him, and behold, a voice from the heavens said, ‘This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.’”

Those holding to Oneness theology will often say that Jesus was speaking to Himself.

But if we are honest with the text, that’s not what it says. The voice came from heaven, not from Jesus. The Son is being baptized, the Spirit is descending, and the Father is speaking.


To claim that Jesus threw His voice to make it sound like it came from heaven is not only speculative—it imposes something onto the text that isn’t there. It’s human reasoning trying to patch over what the plain reading contradicts.


This is a good time to apply a sound principle of biblical interpretation: Where the Word of God is silent, we should remain silent. We shouldn't force doctrines into Scripture when the text doesn't support them.


Sometimes the most faithful answer is, “I don’t know,” rather than crafting elaborate explanations that add to or distort Scripture.

What you DO SAY is there is NOTHING we have to do to be saved.

You DON'T HAVE A CLUE if sin will enter Heaven or it will not!!

You DON'T HAVE A CLUE how to get rid of our sins, since we don't have to.

 

[Wansvic]

and will be IN you

John `14:17

17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

so dishonest

The point is you keep stating both things in the sentence pertain to future events; He will dwell in and will be in you later. When the scripture clearly states the apostles know the Spirit of Truth because He dwells with them; meaning currently. But later He will actually be inside of them; this took place at Pentecost.

 

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Satans best plan.........Keep them in the water and DROWN them.

That's not what I said, his plan is to keep people out of the water so they will never get rid of their sins.

As you can see it's working.

 

[Wansvic]

THIS BAPTISM THING!
When One studies the Bible scriptures correctly, They will see several things that show that Today's Christianity is WRONG! At least for the most part.

The above concerning water baptism for example. Where in the Writing of The Apostle Paul does he say to, Water Baptize?
HE does not. Paul's message was for all Believers in Gods' gospel of, The Kingdom Of God, to become a part OF IT.
Here again, is another place where Today's religion has clouded the truth of what The Bible scriptures teach.

Most who preach Today do not mention that there are Two gospels' ! The Gospel for Today is, The Gospel of, The Kingdom Of God! Read the scriptures on Pail's writings.

It is a fact, that These two gospel's are in The Bible! Why ? So, which One is for whom, When? What is the difference between Them?
These Two, show how the Two can not be mixed as They often are Today!
I leave off here; and let The Reader read about These Two Gospel's for Themselves.

DeepSeeker

Please consider the biblical evidence that reveals there is only one gospel and it included the command to be baptized:

Paul was present and made no objection when Peter rose up, and said unto Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles BY MY MOUTH should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
AND PUT NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US AND THEM, purifying their hearts by faith." (Acts 15:7-9)

The same gospel was always presented to the Jew first, and then the Gentile. (Rom. 1:16-17) The Apostle Paul was tasked with continuing to spread the gospel to Gentiles. The scripture below reveals the command to be baptized was part of the gospel message Paul preached. Note verse 8 says that Crispus, those of his household, and many Corinthians submitted to baptism. This reveals Paul's message included the command.

"And he (Paul) reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ.
And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean; from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.
And he departed thence, and entered into a certain man's house, named Justus, one that worshipped God, whose house joined hard to the synagogue.
8 And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized." Acts 18:4-8

 

[Wansvic]

You are adding to the text. in 1cor 15:3
born of water is not speaking of baptism it is speaking of the natural birth in John 3:5

"For I delivered unto you first of all (meaning the gospel message contained more) that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;" 1 Corinthians Chapter 3 is primarily addressing the resurrection. And baptism is even discussed at the very end of the chapter. This reveals the gospel message included water baptism.

As to the water and Spirit in John 3:5. Think about it, why would it be necessary to stress to people that have already been born naturally that unless they are born naturally they can not enter Heaven? It would not.

Scripture shines light on the truth. Jesus said believers who continue in His word will know the truth and the truth shall make them free. (John 8:31-32) It is no coincidence that every detailed conversion account mentions both water and Spirit. Water as in water baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sin, and receiving the Holy Spirit into one's body. (Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16)

 

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As to the water and Spirit in John 3:5. Think about it, why would it be necessary to stress to people that have already been born naturally that unless they are born naturally they can not enter Heaven? It would not.

Why did that very thing need to be discussed here:

“So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15‬:‭42‬-‭49‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/1co.15.42-49.ESV

 

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I know you are stuck in pride, but nobody here has said not to be baptized with water. We have said water Baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is valid as Baptism in Jesus' name is. Stop lying.

So I'm full of pride and a liar?

I didn't even ask you about how we are to be baptized.

I asked you if sin will enter Heaven.

You don't know, or will not answer.

You did say I'm trying to replace water with His blood which has NOTHING to do with if sin will enter Heaven or not.

Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

NOT ONLY will sin NOT ENTER Heaven, GOD DON'T EVEN HEAR SINNERS!!!!

I was trying to HELP you understand, but YOU WILL NOT even look at scripture for the answer that I just shared. WHO IS FULL OF PRIDE?

IF, I SAY IF I say you had the ability to SEE that sin will not enter Heaven THEN I was going to speak to you about HOW WE GET RID OF IT!!!

You are falsely accusing me, but that's what happen when you catch someone else of doing wrong.

If you get baptized you need to know WHY YOU'RE DOING IT and you can't do it how you like you have to follow HIS RULE BOOK.

Satan's plan keeping them out of the water, and if they do go in the water keep JESUS name OUT OF IT is working.

Colossians 3:17 And (((whatsoever))) ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

 

[Wansvic]

Why did that very thing need to be discussed here:

“So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15‬:‭42‬-‭49‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/1co.15.42-49.ESV

It is not the same thing.

In John 3:5 Jesus told Nicodemus, who was already born, that water was one of the conditions that must be met in order to enter the kingdom of Heaven:

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except (unless) a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (John 3:5)

 

[DeepSeeker]

Why do so many take, and try to mix The Two kingdom doctrines into One? 1-The Kingdom of Heaven 2-The Kingdom of God ?
Which One was for whom, when ? ?
Deepseeker

 

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What you DO SAY is there is NOTHING we have to do to be saved.

You DON'T HAVE A CLUE if sin will enter Heaven or it will not!!

You DON'T HAVE A CLUE how to get rid of our sins, since we don't have to.

"what must I do to be saved"?

Acts 16:30-34

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. 32And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. 33And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. 34And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

Romans 10:9-10
"9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved."

John 3:16-19


16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.


THe only answer to your Qestion is THe Lord Jesus Christ and His Gospel

 

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The point is you keep stating both things in the sentence pertain to future events; He will dwell in and will be in you later. When the scripture clearly states the apostles know the Spirit of Truth because He dwells with them; meaning currently. But later He will actually be inside of them; this took place at Pentecost.

Read John 20:22 and Luke 24:49 you're incorrect.

 

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"For I delivered unto you first of all (meaning the gospel message contained more) that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;" 1 Corinthians Chapter 3 is primarily addressing the resurrection. And baptism is even discussed at the very end of the chapter. This reveals the gospel message included water baptism.

As to the water and Spirit in John 3:5. Think about it, why would it be necessary to stress to people that have already been born naturally that unless they are born naturally they can not enter Heaven? It would not.

Scripture shines light on the truth. Jesus said believers who continue in His word will know the truth and the truth shall make them free. (John 8:31-32) It is no coincidence that every detailed conversion account mentions both water and Spirit. Water as in water baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sin, and receiving the Holy Spirit into one's body. (Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16)

LOL, do you know what unit chapters are?


1cor chapter 1 lets start there shall we:

10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name. 16 Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas. Besides, I do not know whether I baptized any other. 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect.


What do you mean, Paul? Jesus did not send you to baptized, which is so critical for salvation. I can't believe this, Paul.

This way, you, "Wansvic," and others who try to cherry-pick the word of God and failed to read chapter one. Why did you leave this chapter and verses on and go to chapter three of 1 Corinthians?

1. you are dishonest?
2. You did not know it was there said by Paul.?

 

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So I'm full of pride and a liar?

I didn't even ask you about how we are to be baptized.

I asked you if sin will enter Heaven.

You don't know, or will not answer.

You did say I'm trying to replace water with His blood which has NOTHING to do with if sin will enter Heaven or not.

Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

NOT ONLY will sin NOT ENTER Heaven, GOD DON'T EVEN HEAR SINNERS!!!!

I was trying to HELP you understand, but YOU WILL NOT even look at scripture for the answer that I just shared. WHO IS FULL OF PRIDE?

IF, I SAY IF I say you had the ability to SEE that sin will not enter Heaven THEN I was going to speak to you about HOW WE GET RID OF IT!!!

You are falsely accusing me, but that's what happen when you catch someone else of doing wrong.

If you get baptized you need to know WHY YOU'RE DOING IT and you can't do it how you like you have to follow HIS RULE BOOK.

Satan's plan keeping them out of the water, and if they do go in the water keep JESUS name OUT OF IT is working.

Colossians 3:17 And (((whatsoever))) ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

I answered your question, and regarding that question, you asked. I also addressed the deflection from the original qestion I asked.

 

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So I'm full of pride and a liar?

I didn't even ask you about how we are to be baptized.

I asked you if sin will enter Heaven.

You don't know, or will not answer.

You did say I'm trying to replace water with His blood which has NOTHING to do with if sin will enter Heaven or not.

Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

NOT ONLY will sin NOT ENTER Heaven, GOD DON'T EVEN HEAR SINNERS!!!!

I was trying to HELP you understand, but YOU WILL NOT even look at scripture for the answer that I just shared. WHO IS FULL OF PRIDE?

IF, I SAY IF I say you had the ability to SEE that sin will not enter Heaven THEN I was going to speak to you about HOW WE GET RID OF IT!!!

You are falsely accusing me, but that's what happen when you catch someone else of doing wrong.

If you get baptized you need to know WHY YOU'RE DOING IT and you can't do it how you like you have to follow HIS RULE BOOK.

Satan's plan keeping them out of the water, and if they do go in the water keep JESUS name OUT OF IT is working.

Colossians 3:17 And (((whatsoever))) ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

I know you are having trouble, so as I stated before, from Romans chapter 6, what Baptism is and what we are doing when we are water baptized. That was addressed by many in the 100's posts that followed.