The essential characteristics of the Biblical Jesus

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Dan_473 said:
This thread is intended to continue the discussion from

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/134148-intersection-theoogy-science-14.html








What are the essential characteristics of the biblical Jesus, does the koran attribute to Jesus those same characteristics? Or, is he "another jesus", as Paul wrote about.
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very good question. The Quran is not the same Biblical account of Jesus because it is not God breathed.
2pet 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holymen of God spake as they were moved by the Holy[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif] Ghost.[/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif] as Christians we look to the Inspired word of God. God has provided Revelation to man that God exist :

General Revelation by His creation Rom 1:20
Special Revelation by His word Luk 4:4
Illumination by His Spirit 1cor 2:10
Relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ John 3:16 Rom 10:9-10

The bible provide Eyewitnesses as to what Jesus has said and did. Why would we want to hear about Jesus from a guy who wrote about Jesus over 700 years after Jesus had accented to heaven? When we have the writings of Peter, John, and paul. we have the Prophetic writings fulfilled found in Isiah 53 and many others. God has provide a firm foundation to us so we can have faith and not be put to shame .


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psalm6819 said:
The proper response is to ignore/shun teachings of the koran, have you ever heard a Bible verse that tells us to think on things that are pure, wholesome,edify, you claim to be a scholar so maybe you could quote it fully and show application to the koran or perhaps whatsoever is not of faith is sin.....(doesn't sound like study the koran to me)
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I have provided numerous bullet points, thus far....pick one and we can elaborate...
 
Bowman said:
No kidding, BJ.
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Just like the random documentary which promotes Ra as Christ, you promote Muhammad as Christ.

...and then leave viewers with nothing.

It's apparent that your focus in this conversation is on the Koran and not Christian fellowship.

If it's not, then why won't you share the implications of your theory? We've asked as simply as: What's your point? And I've even shared a bit of personal testimony, which you ignored.

If you are not going to take me seriously, why should i take you seriously BM?
 
BrotherJustin said:
Just like the random documentary which promotes Ra as Christ, you promote Muhammad as Christ.

...and then leave viewers with nothing.

It's apparent that your focus in this conversation is on the Koran and not Christian fellowship.

If it's not, then why won't you share the implications of your theory? We've asked as simply as: What's your point? And I've even shared a bit of personal testimony, which you ignored.

If you are not going to take me seriously, why should i take you seriously BM?
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Directly address one of my bullets, BJ...
 
Bowman said:
Directly address one of my bullets, BJ...
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I'm not interested in your bullets when you won't share your purpose...

...which is what i said in my previous post.

Is this another merry-go-round?

Seriously, Bowman, this is as simple as it gets: What is the purpose in promoting the idea that 'the Koranic Muhammad is Christ'?

How does this theory benefit the body of Christ (the Church)?
 
BrotherJustin said:
I'm not interested in your bullets when you won't share your purpose...

...which is what i said in my previous post.

Is this another merry-go-round?

Seriously, Bowman, this is as simple as it gets: What is the purpose in promoting the idea that 'the Koranic Muhammad is Christ'?

How does this theory benefit the body of Christ (the Church)?
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Here's a simple reply.

This is what the original Koranic Arabic states.

 
BrotherJustin said:
Thanks.

What implications are there for Christians with this knowledge (implications you've considered)?
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The implications are readily obvious.

For the Christian, we can use their very own Koran to win them over to Christianity and the Holy Bible.

Since Muslims are trained to think that the Holy Bible has been corrupted, and their Koran intact, then it can be used as a tool to convert them, as ALL Muslims MUST revere what their own scriptures state.

Its a process.

The first phase to overcome is denial, the phase you are in right now...
 
Bowman said:
The implications are readily obvious.
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...for you.

Bowman said:
For the Christian, we can use their very own Koran to win them over to Christianity and the Holy Bible.

Since Muslims are trained to think that the Holy Bible has been corrupted, and their Koran intact, then it can be used as a tool to convert them, as ALL Muslims MUST revere what their own scriptures state.

Its a process.
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Excellent. When do we start and how do we proceed?

Bowman said:
The first phase to overcome is denial, the phase you are in right now...
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Oh.

...just one problem, Sir--I'm not Muslim or Islamic or Koranic...
 
Bowman said:
Dan...

We've seen the typical 'knee-jerk-denial' reaction from a few Christians, in this thread, regarding my replies to your OP, what about you..?

More of the same...or...are you going to research the matter for yourself, before you deny...?
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Bump for Dan...
 
Dear Mr. (When-it-comes-to-Jesus-I-refuse-to)Bow,man,

If a person is saved, the Lord Jesus Christ is their savior,
and their intent after that should be to grow in the knowledge of HIM,
and to share the Truth of HIM with others, hoping they get saved as well.

The Lord can lead us in many ways to do just that, giving us different gifts and talents and abilities, and even different levels of faith at any given time to do so.
And we don't always know what to do, or have the courage, or even the will, or because we can still be stubborn, rebellious, or we just get weary. Sometimes there's a bit of 'Jonah' in many of us.

But for the most part, our desire is to lift up the Name of our Lord Jesus,
and have others know Him as theTruth, the Life, and the Only Way to God.

If God gives the gift and ability to learn other languages, and be learned in other religions and their texts, it would make sense that it would be for reaching the people of those other religions, in order to expose the errors of their religions and the lies in their texts.

But rather than go to a muslum website, or go to them as a missionary, you seem intent on coming to a christian site, to repeatedly try to convince believers in Jesus of OUR 'errors of belief' when it comes to muhammedism.

That doesn't really align with what the Bible or the Spirit of Christ instructs believers in Jesus to do.

So what spirit is leading you? What is your motivation that you keep contending for the false prophet muhammed rather that the True and Living God and Savior Jesus Christ?
 
BrotherJustin said:
I see.

So, what'd ya do 20 years ago?
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I bought into the Islamic lie, like you are doing.

It was not until a Muslim colleague of mine, once he learned that I was Christian, thought it was his duty to inform me that my Holy Bible was corrupted, and needed to be corrected by his Koran....it was at this time that I set out to see for myself....ever since, I have studied both the Holy Bible and the Koran in their original languages and compared the two side by side....and what I discovered is nothing like what I was told - by ANYONE!
 
B1Davanda said:
Dear Mr. (When-it-comes-to-Jesus-I-refuse-to)Bow,man,

If a person is saved, the Lord Jesus Christ is their savior,
and their intent after that should be to grow in the knowledge of HIM,
and to share the Truth of HIM with others, hoping they get saved as well.

The Lord can lead us in many ways to do just that, giving us different gifts and talents and abilities, and even different levels of faith at any given time to do so.
And we don't always know what to do, or have the courage, or even the will, or because we can still be stubborn, rebellious, or we just get weary. Sometimes there's a bit of 'Jonah' in many of us.

But for the most part, our desire is to lift up the Name of our Lord Jesus,
and have others know Him as theTruth, the Life, and the Only Way to God.

If God gives the gift and ability to learn other languages, and be learned in other religions and their texts, it would make sense that it would be for reaching the people of those other religions, in order to expose the errors of their religions and the lies in their texts.

But rather than go to a muslum website, or go to them as a missionary, you seem intent on coming to a christian site, to repeatedly try to convince believers in Jesus of OUR 'errors of belief' when it comes to muhammedism.

That doesn't really align with what the Bible or the Spirit of Christ instructs believers in Jesus to do.

So what spirit is leading you? What is your motivation that you keep contending for the false prophet muhammed rather that the True and Living God and Savior Jesus Christ?
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I'm ALL over the internet at any given time.

I plant seeds where I can...some die-off(as in your case)...but others germinate, and grow...
 
Bowman said:
I bought into the Islamic lie, like you are doing.

It was not until a Muslim colleague of mine, once he learned that I was Christian, thought it was his duty to inform me that my Holy Bible was corrupted, and needed to be corrected by his Koran....it was at this time that I set out to see for myself....ever since, I have studied both the Holy Bible and the Koran in their original languages and compared the two side by side....and what I discovered is nothing like what I was told - by ANYONE!
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This a muslum trick to try to get more christians to read the korran rather than the bible. Then they will tell you that the bible has so many diff translations and changes that it can't be 100% reliable.
Then they'll apply that same bs to their own book, and tell you you have an inaccurate translation, trying to convince you other korrans have a more reasonable doctrine, even putting Jesus on a par with the false prophet muhammed.

DON'T FALL FOR IT!

Brothers and sisters in Christ, this site is under siege, and you're playing right into their hands.

Many were talking openly and bragging about being 'trolls', talking about how to infiltrate and disrupt. They're not all nerdy kids playing games, and while they're distracting you one way, demonic doctrines are slipping in the back door. The muslim has one goal in mind, total take-over in every area of life for their false god.

And they are well studied and schooled in how to go about this. One way is through scholarly sounding discussion, and an attempt to seem friendly.

This gains trust, and leads westerners, and now even christians, to try to see them in a 'nicer' light. Next thing you know, you're studying Their book(s) to get more 'spiritual knowledge',
when we have all we need from God Himself, and we should be reading HIS Book more, and instructing the deceivers with the Truth.

Remember, THE KORAN IS A BOOK OF LIES, written by demonic influence to persuade ppl to tolerate, and eventually accept a demonic god.

Please, folks.....I know Jesus is sovereign God and His will WILL be done,
but there is damage being done to the body of Christ, and SINCERE seekers as well,
and I believe the Lord us calling us to get more solidly rooted in HIS Word and put on HIS armor, not be dabbling in the devil's texts, no matter how righteous you're intentions may be, unless you are ABSOLUTELY certain the Lord has called you to that.

Even then.....remember the scriptures where God's people are told not to engage in disputes that are unprofitable, but after admonishing a heretic a couple of times, simply rebuke them in Jesus' name.

The enemy tries to charm you, but Jesus said to that snake, 'It is written', and we should do the same. Don't even bother considering what the enemy says in another book.
 
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