THE FOURTH MAN
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The Complete Jewish Bible records it this way:
24 Suddenly N'vukhadnetzar sprang to his feet. Alarmed, he asked his advisers, "Didn't we throw three men, bound, into the flames?"They answered the king, "Yes, of course, your majesty."
25 But he exclaimed, "Look! I see four men, not tied up, walking around there in the flames, unhurt; and the fourth looks like one of the gods!"
24 Suddenly N'vukhadnetzar sprang to his feet. Alarmed, he asked his advisers, "Didn't we throw three men, bound, into the flames?"They answered the king, "Yes, of course, your majesty."
25 But he exclaimed, "Look! I see four men, not tied up, walking around there in the flames, unhurt; and the fourth looks like one of the gods!"
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The translators of KJV clearly perceived that passage to be a reference to Christ as shown in their choice to capitalize "Son" in Son of God.
Not all translations made that choice to capitalize.
Certainly room for differences in interpretation. I find the Christophany interpretation to be a good fit, but it doesn't change the overall message of scripture by being one way or the other.
Not all translations made that choice to capitalize.
Certainly room for differences in interpretation. I find the Christophany interpretation to be a good fit, but it doesn't change the overall message of scripture by being one way or the other.
I have read like the Son of God so I just assumed it was Jesus with them going through the trial not leaving them alone. It always brought me comfort to think that He came to be with them in their moment being tested.
The other thing that always impressed me about this story was the fact that they told the King that whether God saved them or not they would not bow down. So they were ready to die for their belief in God and obeying the command to not bow down to any other God or image which is one of the 10 commandments. God saw fit to save them that day and I believe He was with them in that fire.
The other amazing thing to me is that they didn't smell of smoke either.
The other thing that always impressed me about this story was the fact that they told the King that whether God saved them or not they would not bow down. So they were ready to die for their belief in God and obeying the command to not bow down to any other God or image which is one of the 10 commandments. God saw fit to save them that day and I believe He was with them in that fire.
The other amazing thing to me is that they didn't smell of smoke either.
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The CJB does not deny the deity of Christ.
Like the Orthodox Jewish Bible, the CJB is not a translation for unbelievers, but for believers.
The New Testament is included. Example below:
Romans 1 CJB
1 From: Sha’ul, a slave of the Messiah Yeshua, an emissary because I was called and set apart for the Good News of God.
2 God promised this Good News in advance through his prophets in the Tanakh.
3 It concerns his Son — he is descended from David physically;
4 he was powerfully demonstrated to be Son of God spiritually, set apart by his having been resurrected from the dead;
he is Yeshua the Messiah, our Lord.
5 Through him we received grace and were given the work of being an emissary on his behalf promoting trust-grounded
obedience among all the Gentiles,
6 including you, who have been called by Yeshua the Messiah.
7 To: All those in Rome whom God loves, who have been called, who have been set apart for him:
Grace to you and shalom from God our Father and the Lord Yeshua the Messiah.
8 First, I thank my God through Yeshua the Messiah for all of you, because the report of your trust is spreading throughout the whole world. 9 For God, whom I serve in my spirit by spreading the Good News about his Son, is my witness that I regularly remember you
Like the Orthodox Jewish Bible, the CJB is not a translation for unbelievers, but for believers.
The New Testament is included. Example below:
Romans 1 CJB
1 From: Sha’ul, a slave of the Messiah Yeshua, an emissary because I was called and set apart for the Good News of God.
2 God promised this Good News in advance through his prophets in the Tanakh.
3 It concerns his Son — he is descended from David physically;
4 he was powerfully demonstrated to be Son of God spiritually, set apart by his having been resurrected from the dead;
he is Yeshua the Messiah, our Lord.
5 Through him we received grace and were given the work of being an emissary on his behalf promoting trust-grounded
obedience among all the Gentiles,
6 including you, who have been called by Yeshua the Messiah.
7 To: All those in Rome whom God loves, who have been called, who have been set apart for him:
Grace to you and shalom from God our Father and the Lord Yeshua the Messiah.
8 First, I thank my God through Yeshua the Messiah for all of you, because the report of your trust is spreading throughout the whole world. 9 For God, whom I serve in my spirit by spreading the Good News about his Son, is my witness that I regularly remember you
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KJV1611 edition..... Daniel 3
25He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
26Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth of the midst of the fire.
27And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.
28Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.
An interesting point to study. However, the King himself knew not...thus the different references. I believe we can fairly conclude that the 4th was an emissary of God and that reference is sufficient.
We are reminded of scriptures......some things are reserved for our Father's knowledge only....and....it shall be revealed in due time....
as a student of the Bible we must respect and accept God's privacy as is indicated by God not having revealed to Christ...even....of the day and time of Christs' 2nd advent.
25He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
26Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth of the midst of the fire.
27And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.
28Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.
An interesting point to study. However, the King himself knew not...thus the different references. I believe we can fairly conclude that the 4th was an emissary of God and that reference is sufficient.
We are reminded of scriptures......some things are reserved for our Father's knowledge only....and....it shall be revealed in due time....
as a student of the Bible we must respect and accept God's privacy as is indicated by God not having revealed to Christ...even....of the day and time of Christs' 2nd advent.
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Well, you know how it goes... nobody is going to perfectly agree or change their mind. People put forth a few of their "proofs" and then someone puts forth a few of their proofs for a different conclusion and then more proofs are added and then the off screen name calling and disparaging...
It's nuts in my opinion of how things go.
But truthfully our God is a personal God that engages in personal relationship on an individual level. And relates to each of us in a unique fashion as we are capable of handling.
Not that people are so wrong...but that's just how they understand God...the object of their worship and the Hero of their salvation. They are going to take it personally every time. Even though we are human and cannot have a perfect understanding of God. Some are capable of more than others...but that's still far far shy of a perfect understanding.
It's nuts in my opinion of how things go.
But truthfully our God is a personal God that engages in personal relationship on an individual level. And relates to each of us in a unique fashion as we are capable of handling.
Not that people are so wrong...but that's just how they understand God...the object of their worship and the Hero of their salvation. They are going to take it personally every time. Even though we are human and cannot have a perfect understanding of God. Some are capable of more than others...but that's still far far shy of a perfect understanding.
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This section in discussion of Daniel is in Aramaic and not Hebrew.
The Hebrew portions is referred to as Royal Hebrew as it's the form used in the royal court by the King's scribes.
The less formal has "bad words" which are "loan words" from other languages. (Israel is a crossroads nation and has several languages all the time)
The Whole bible is actually written in 4 languages. Hebrew and Aramaic for the Old Testament and Greek and EARLY Latin for the New Testament.
John is the one who wrote in Early Latin which is slightly different than Greek. Just like Aramaic is slightly different than Hebrew.
Kinda like Formal Spanish vs Mexican or Puerto Rico Spanish.
The Hebrew portions is referred to as Royal Hebrew as it's the form used in the royal court by the King's scribes.
The less formal has "bad words" which are "loan words" from other languages. (Israel is a crossroads nation and has several languages all the time)
The Whole bible is actually written in 4 languages. Hebrew and Aramaic for the Old Testament and Greek and EARLY Latin for the New Testament.
John is the one who wrote in Early Latin which is slightly different than Greek. Just like Aramaic is slightly different than Hebrew.
Kinda like Formal Spanish vs Mexican or Puerto Rico Spanish.
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Once more with your pan-expertise. The Hebrews keep closer to the full translations than do other translations replacing many translations with transliterations.
If your microbiology credentials are as good as your lingual, you are not a microbiologist, not at all.
Stop putting yourself up as expert with final declarations on matters you know nothing about..
You may find this hard to believe but most of William Murdock's ideas were borrowed from my voluminous knowledge .... ok that is a bit of a stretch, but trying to be all things to all people, I thought you would appreciative that comment.
If your microbiology credentials are as good as your lingual, you are not a microbiologist, not at all.
Stop putting yourself up as expert with final declarations on matters you know nothing about..
You may find this hard to believe but most of William Murdock's ideas were borrowed from my voluminous knowledge .... ok that is a bit of a stretch, but trying to be all things to all people, I thought you would appreciative that comment.
Nebuchadnezzar made a statement from his own cultural understanding which was pagan. "one like a son of the gods" or
"one of the gods" was his way of exclaiming what he saw from his own point of reference. The figure of a man of great stature. Someone in anthropamorphic form but greater than a mere man. This is exacrly what we we would expect in historical narrative.
"one of the gods" was his way of exclaiming what he saw from his own point of reference. The figure of a man of great stature. Someone in anthropamorphic form but greater than a mere man. This is exacrly what we we would expect in historical narrative.
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