The Gentiles at the Judgment !

[Dino246]

Sorry for the rude remark I stand corrected, my ego got in the way, is my only excuse.

Rabbi Yashuah Moshiach of Nazareth can prove the Gospel was preached to Abraham from Torah, so can I.
You asked why do I use Torah so much, it is the test of Isaiah that Yahweh put in scripture to test all men !!

Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Like I keep saying English is terrible because it reads
If they speak, not according to Torah, not law. please take the time to look up law ,in strongs ,to find it says Torah, over 200 times, not law, please stop saying law ,it is so confusing.

Next question as you were so kind to answer before, When Jesus returns what religion will He be ?

Sin cerely

Several things...
I didn't ask why you use the Torah; that was someone else.

Isaiah's words were not given as a test for all men, but for mediums and spiritists specifically.

I don't use Strong's generally because I don't use the KJV generally. I use online concordances because they have greater capabilities.

Telling people to use your preferred terms isn't going to work. If "law" is confusing for you, that isn't my problem to solve.

Your closing question is just silly, IMO.

 

[Lightskin]

12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.

13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.

14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.

Soon there will be 900,000,000 dead all over the world for the 7 years of Judgment on the Gentiles has begun.
Whether you believe it or not the bodies are piling up !!

The Eloheim, The Angels, have had enough. Eloheim, The Mighty Ones, The Judges, hate mankind for the way we treat the Father and Son.
Everyday language from everyone use Jesus Christ as a curse word, I am so disgusted with us !! OMG is cursing The Name, yet
it is the most popular phrase used by everyone, as common as 10 times an hour ,times millions of Christians, who never give it a second thought,
that they are cursing Gods name.

Malachi 2:2
If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.

Now whether you believe this or not does not matter. People are dying to your left and right for cursing His name the Eloheim, The Mighty Ones are killing them and here is the scripture to prove it.

I am not making this up because I use OT scripture which has many modern day prophecies happening right now but written 3,000 years ago .
All those who worship on Sunday are cursed for breaking the seven day covenant with Yahweh.
It does not matter if if you believe OT prophecies written 3,000 years ago the proof is are they coming true right before your eyes.

1 Kings 21:13
And there came in two men, children of Belial, and sat before him: and the men of Belial witnessed against him, even against Naboth, in the presence of the people, saying, Naboth did blaspheme God and the king. Then they carried him forth out of the city, and stoned him with stones, that he died.

For blasheming The Name he was STONED TO DEATH for this is what is coming on the Earth Judgment is here.
Just because you do not believe it does not change anything, the dead people who worship on Sunday and curse His name are dying all over the world in every country. Hello Wakey Wakey ..

Malachi 2 never studied by Christians ,is modern day prophecy happening right before our eyes on our TV sets so all the world gets the Message from Eloheim, The Angeis, the Mighty Ones, The Judges, they have had enough, it is over.

OH no,,,, a loving God will not kill us like that people say not knowing or caring about the OT !!
Amos
6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Behold the goodness and severity of Yahweh . SHALL EVIL BE IN A CITY, IT IS FROM THE LORD.

Just because you do not agree, does not change, the dead and dying are the facts.

What’s your point?

 

[Elvispelvis888]

Several things...
I didn't ask why you use the Torah; that was someone else.

Isaiah's words were not given as a test for all men, but for mediums and spiritists specifically.

I don't use Strong's generally because I don't use the KJV generally. I use online concordances because they have greater capabilities.

Telling people to use your preferred terms isn't going to work. If "law" is confusing for you, that isn't my problem to solve.

Your closing question is just silly, IMO.

Because you know He is a Jew and not a Christian, will be a Jew who follows Torah at His return , you could not answer fearing what was coming next YOU TAP OUT.
your lucky my next question is a killer, can man kill God. ?

 

[Elvispelvis888]

What’s your point?

This is judgment on those who worship on Sunday breaking the seven day covenant, those who curse His name are being judged.
What a coincidence Italy worships on Sunday, Spain Worships on Sunday, I can go on and on !!
What a coincidence they all call Him Jesus Christ.
What a coincidence all the churches that do these things are closed. are closed.
Malachi
If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart

I can not help if you do not believe Malachi.

Eloheim, The Angels, The Mighty Ones , hate mankind for the way we treat the Father and Son so they are killing mankind
just like the prophets said.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

Friend we are in the 7. year judgment period that is my point.

 

[azamzimtoti]

Mr Pelvis can you explain what you mean by this "Judaism is the answer" statement you made on another internet site before this thread turns into Torah Borah.





Link to statement

 

[Elvispelvis888]

Mr Pelvis can you explain what you mean by this "Judaism is the answer" statement you made on another internet site before this thread turns into Torah Borah.


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Howdy, When Rabbi Yashuah Moshiach of Nazareth returns He will be a Jew, not a Christian.
He will speak Hebrew, write Hebrew, read Hebrew. These are facts verified in scripture.

3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

Now try to get the English out of your head, please look up these words in Hebrew, it says Torah shall go forth from Rabbi Yashuah Moshiach of Jerusalem. Remember Eiljah comes to........

4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Of coarse it should say Torah of Moses.

Please do not think for a minute that modern day Jews practice Judaism as Yashuah taught, remember he condemns them.
I do not suggest for one second that the Jews are correct, and I tell them so. I question the Rabbis all the time.

Proper Judaism is far from modern Jews. They try to kill Him the second time He comes. YAY its true !
I hope that helps, I am not very adept at explaining things....... sorry.

 

[azamzimtoti]

5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

If you are looking for Elijah then you missed the guy by nearly 2000 years.

(Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John)

(Mat 11:14 And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come)

(Mat 11:15 He who has ears to hear, let him hear. )

 

[tanakh]

You are correct sir you win a new Mercedes Benz. The Jews refuse to speak to trinitarins.
Remember the Rabbis are not teaching Judaism correctly and I let them know it all the time I question them repeatedly They know who I am the one that brags about the greatest Rabbi of all time.
Rabbi Yashuah Moshiach of Nazareth, it really makes them angry, They call me Noahide the Gentile believer in Torah.

Let me explain something to you it might help you and maybe others on site.

The Mosaic Law was given to Israel as an eternal covenant. It was never given to Gentiles.
The Apostles and much of the first century church members were Jews therefore they obeyed the
Mosaic Law whilst recognising Christ as Lord and Messiah.

Paul recognised this distinction together with the leadership at the Jerusalem Church. As
Apostle to the Gentiles he first preached to those known as God Fearers. They were Gentiles
that followed the the Law but were not Circumcised and therefore were not recognised as
Jews or part of Israel. Paul's main condemnations were not just with hostile Jews but with
those who insisted that Gentiles had to be Circumcised as full Jewish converts before
being part of the Church. Many of these had been Pharisees like himself' known as
Judaisers. He has much to say about this in Romans.

In Israel then and now it was believed that Gentiles had to follow what is known as the Noahdic
Covenant to obtain Gods approval. Acts 15:29 lists the content.....

1 Abstain from food sacrificed to Idols
2 Abstain from eating blood (mainly meat containing blood)
3 Abstain from eating meat from a strangled animal
4 Abstain from sexual immorality

This Rabbi you read about should know this not use it as an insult but then why bother with the site anyway
there are plenty of Christian sites on the web.

After the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70 Jews were banned from the area, including Jewish Christians
and the Jerusalem Church consisted of only Gentile members. As the centuries moved on Jewish
Christian churches disappeared. this was mainly due to Roman Persecution. By the time of Constantine
the hatred of all things Jewish reached its peak at the council of Nicea and Jewish Christian groups like
the Nestorians and Ebionites were pushed out of the Empire altogether.

To sum up we are not bound to the 613 Mosaic commandments unless we are ethnic Jews. Even then
without a Temple its impossible to even attempt to follow them.

 

[Dino246]

Because you know He is a Jew and not a Christian, will be a Jew who follows Torah at His return , you could not answer fearing what was coming next YOU TAP OUT.
your lucky my next question is a killer, can man kill God. ?

Your snarky retort tells me that further interaction with you would be a waste of my time.

 

[azamzimtoti]

To sum up we are not bound to the 613 Mosaic commandments unless we are ethnic Jews. Even then
without a Temple its impossible to even attempt to follow them.

There are no Mosaic commandments for ethic "Jews" to follow. The old covenant with its laws passed away in the 1st century.

(Heb 8:13 When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear )

Torah has passed away with it's fulfillment.

 

[Elvispelvis888]

Your snarky retort tells me that further interaction with you would be a waste of my time.

Tap out ,me too.

 

[Lightskin]

This is judgment on those who worship on Sunday breaking the seven day covenant

Newsflash Pelvis:

There is now no condemnation for those who are in Jesus Christ. ~ Romans 8:1

Try to talk your way out of that one.

 

[Elvispelvis888]

Let me explain something to you it might help you and maybe others on site.

The Mosaic Law was given to Israel as an eternal covenant. It was never given to Gentiles.
The Apostles and much of the first century church members were Jews therefore they obeyed the
Mosaic Law whilst recognising Christ as Lord and Messiah.

Paul recognised this distinction together with the leadership at the Jerusalem Church. As
Apostle to the Gentiles he first preached to those known as God Fearers. They were Gentiles
that followed the the Law but were not Circumcised and therefore were not recognised as
Jews or part of Israel. Paul's main condemnations were not just with hostile Jews but with
those who insisted that Gentiles had to be Circumcised as full Jewish converts before
being part of the Church. Many of these had been Pharisees like himself' known as
Judaisers. He has much to say about this in Romans.

In Israel then and now it was believed that Gentiles had to follow what is known as the Noahdic
Covenant to obtain Gods approval. Acts 15:29 lists the content.....

1 Abstain from food sacrificed to Idols
2 Abstain from eating blood (mainly meat containing blood)
3 Abstain from eating meat from a strangled animal
4 Abstain from sexual immorality

This Rabbi you read about should know this not use it as an insult but then why bother with the site anyway
there are plenty of Christian sites on the web.

After the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70 Jews were banned from the area, including Jewish Christians
and the Jerusalem Church consisted of only Gentile members. As the centuries moved on Jewish
Christian churches disappeared. this was mainly due to Roman Persecution. By the time of Constantine
the hatred of all things Jewish reached its peak at the council of Nicea and Jewish Christian groups like
the Nestorians and Ebionites were pushed out of the Empire altogether.

To sum up we are not bound to the 613 Mosaic commandments unless we are ethnic Jews. Even then
without a Temple its impossible to even attempt to follow them.

Again I can not stress the bible does not say "The Law " which you keep saying over and over as all the others do to their own destruction.
That the difference between Torah and the law is so difficult to grasp in English. I am truly sorry, I can not be
heard no matter how many times I say it.

You do not know the difference between Torah and the law.
I am not talking about the law.
I am not talking about the Law.
I am not talking about the law.

 

[Elvispelvis888]

Newsflash Pelvis:

There is now no condemnation for those who are in Jesus Christ. ~ Romans 8:1

Try to talk your way out of that one.

Hey great I can murder ,kill, rape, rob , push old ladies down. I do not want to live in your world.

5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the Lord of hosts.

6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

No judgment, Malachi is a Liar. Sin do what ever you want it does not matter.

 

[Elvispelvis888]

There are no Mosaic commandments for ethic "Jews" to follow. The old covenant with its laws passed away in the 1st century.

(Heb 8:13 When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear )

Torah has passed away with it's fulfillment.

Where do you get Torah here, there no mention of Torah, you argue something you made up. Do you not know ,that Torah is not the covenant as you falsely suggest.
Again Torah means the first five books of the bible, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, nothing to do with the law.
Torah is not the law, that is a English fairy tale an old wives tale that we are warned of in the last days.

1 Timothy 4:7
But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.

 

[tanakh]

There are no Mosaic commandments for ethic "Jews" to follow. The old covenant with its laws passed away in the 1st century.

(Heb 8:13 When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear )

Torah has passed away with it's fulfillment.

There are no Mosaic commandments for ethic "Jews" to follow. The old covenant with its laws passed away in the 1st century.

(Heb 8:13 When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear )

Torah has passed away with it's fulfillment.

Christ fulfilled the Law but you have to be in Christ to be saved. Israel as a whole is not in Christ and most wont be until the second coming. One purpose of the Law was to keep Israel as a separate people. Some of the laws are baffling to most people, especially
those about clean and unclean animals ie what is intrinsically wrong with pork? Or wearing clothing of a mixed material? The Torah
kept Jewish people distinct from everyone else. Thats why Israel exists now as opposed to the Edomites, Philistines and a whole
catalogue of people that once were but no longer are

 

[Nehemiah6]

All those who worship on Sunday are cursed for breaking the seven day covenant with Yahweh.

This is TOTAL NONSENSE.

Even while the apostles were on earth Christians were meeting on THE LORD'S DAY -- the first day of the week -- to break bread (the Lord's Supper) and to worship in Spirit and in truth.

Since the Lord's Day is the Christian Sabbath, the 4th commandment is being observed by Christians (who take it seriously).

The rest of your post reflects a great deal of spiritual confusion. We are still in the Day of Grace -- the Gospel Age -- and God is still bringing salvation to many. The time of judgments in still in the future, but is drawing near.

 

[garee]

I am just an ordinary guy reading the Torah, the OT prophecies . For many years now I have been studying Hebrew with Rabbi Gordon
who reads Torah in Hebrew then English. WOW What a difference. For Thirty Years I was a Minister of the cloth with the right ti marry people.
For thirty years I gave sermons , lectures, Prayed for the congregation, served the bread and wine, took collection.
When I started talking about Judaism they kicked me out, defrocked, dis fellowship.
I am a disgrace to Christians, not allowed in any church.

Sin cerely Elvispelvis888

A disgrace to any church that does not believe what?

Do we need a Jewish man or any man to teach us .Or is that formula that fits the antichrists?

Jewish Rabbis took part in the crucification. Can we serve more than one Master?

 

[Lightskin]

Hey great I can murder ,kill, rape, rob , push old ladies down. I do not want to live in your world

Nice strawman, pussycat. You were discussing people worshiping on Sunday and suddenly you’re discussing murder, rape and assault. Translation: you lost the debate.

 

[garee]

Sorry for the rude remark I stand corrected, my ego got in the way, is my only excuse.

Rabbi Yashuah Moshiach of Nazareth can prove the Gospel was preached to Abraham from Torah, so can I.
You asked why do I use Torah so much, it is the test of Isaiah that Yahweh put in scripture to test all men !!

Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Like I keep saying English is terrible because it reads
If they speak, not according to Torah, not law. please take the time to look up law ,in strongs ,to find it says Torah, over 200 times, not law, please stop saying law ,it is so confusing.

Next question as you were so kind to answer before, When Jesus returns what religion will He be ?

Sin cerely

By what kind of religion. Did you mean as if God was a man as us? He has no flesh we walk by faith the unseen eternal.

The law signified by Moses as to the letter is "death" the testimony of that law is represented by the prophets as more prophecy of a different kind or purpose .That later prophecy is in respect to Elias used to represent the unseen power of the law .Called the law of faith. Together as one they make one perfect law that works in the believer quickening the souls of the simply ones like myself and does many other wonderful works He works in us to the good pleasure of His will.

The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes. The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward. Psalms 19:7-11