I wouldnt want to be Engalnd or usa or australia no offence to those lands, but I want to be in paradise with Jesus.
"The Glorified Body"
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A really good question to ask is: When did Jesus' body undergo glorification?
Was it transformed on the morning of his resurrection? Was it transformed forty
days later at some time during the ascent stage of his return to heaven? Or what?
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A really good question to ask is: When did Jesus' body undergo glorification?
Was it transformed on the morning of his resurrection? Was it transformed forty
days later at some time during the ascent stage of his return to heaven? Or what?
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God is not a man as us...and neither is there a infallible fleshly mediator as our Master that stands between God not seen and man see. (Job 9) We are to call no man on earth master that way one is our master as our father in heaven. he put his words into the mind of jesus.
When challenged in unbelief (Mathew 4) the father would put his words in the mouth of His Son Jesus and he would say over and over....as it is written revealing the one source of faith by which we could know our unseen God.
Salvation is the work of two working together to provide the peace of God which surpasses all human understanding . The mystery being made known. It will be completely be know when we do receive our new bodies..
I would ask? Does keeping something from corruption for three days constitute the idea of glorification.? Do we glory in the flesh that the Son of man Jesus said of his own flesh it profits not (nothing) ?
Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance. Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. Acts 2: 17 -31
leave my soul in hell = a living suffering...
he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne = Not the Son of man to sit on his unseen throne as the glory of God.
The Son of man, Jesus was a representative glory. When called good Master, Rabbi in respect to his father. He said; "only God is good" giving glory to the unseen holy place.. Jesus resisted those who did desire to glory in his corruptible flesh
Remember the demonstration of the temporal points to the unseen glory. It will appear in full bloom the new heavens and earth.
We are not what we will be.... There will be no more night. . . no need of the Sun and mon as temporal time keepers
Romans 1:3-5 King James Version (KJV)Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
Not declared to be the Son of man, Jesus with power after the flesh. I would say no such things a holiness of the flesh . Not by Birth but by the ressurection suffering the wrath of the father as a mural work to give some a new spirit that could never die...Glory in the new order..Living suffering after the first...
Suffer for doing right or sufer for doing wrong no escape from these bodies of death as the wrath of God being revealed from heaven
Suffering for doing right as we rest in Christ seems much shorter...
1 Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
Put on the whole armor. . . nothing for the backside . He who encompasses us with his Love is the rear guard..
Jesus mentioned his body was not yet glorifed after the resurrection when he spoke to Mary and she went to hug him.
On the mount of transfiguration, the disciples Peter and John and James had a glimpse, its said jesus was transfigured and talking with Moses and Elijah. His clothes became glistening white. It was the reflected glory of God.
When Moses was speaking with God, after he came down from the mount people noticed he was glowing.
I think glorification is when you become shiny and new and that happens when you have encountered God and been in His proximity.
On the mount of transfiguration, the disciples Peter and John and James had a glimpse, its said jesus was transfigured and talking with Moses and Elijah. His clothes became glistening white. It was the reflected glory of God.
When Moses was speaking with God, after he came down from the mount people noticed he was glowing.
I think glorification is when you become shiny and new and that happens when you have encountered God and been in His proximity.
I am pretty confident that the Lord's body was glorified the moment He resurrected. Consider this, when the church is resurrected and the living changed, at that very moment we will become immortal and glorified and not days or weeks later. Why would the Lord's glorification be any different? In fact, He is our example in this matter.
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I suggest it was essential that Jesus' crucified dead body be restored to life
just as it was or else John 2:19-22 would be easily proven false.
In point of fact, Jesus called to his friends' attention the scars in his hands
and the open wound in his side to prove his dead body was restored to life
just the same as every other dead body was restored to life in the Bible.
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I suggest it was essential that Jesus' crucified dead body be restored to life
just as it was or else John 2:19-22 would be easily proven false.
In point of fact, Jesus called to his friends' attention the scars in his hands
and the open wound in his side to prove his dead body was restored to life
just the same as every other dead body was restored to life in the Bible.
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No he had to ascend to see God his Father first. Jesus wasnt glorfied the moment he was resurrected, even Mary mistook him for a gardener.
Unless you think all gardeners are glorified. That would be cool cos Im one. With mud on my boots and dirt under my fingernails.
Unless you think all gardeners are glorified. That would be cool cos Im one. With mud on my boots and dirt under my fingernails.
Actually, Jesus did not ascend to the Father first. Consider what Jesus told Mary after He resurrected:
"Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
Furthermore, if Jesus wasn't glorified until after He ascended to the Father, then that would mean that at the resurrection believers could not be glorified until we go back to heaven. However, scripture states that we are immortal and glorified at the moment when the resurrection takes place and not after we go to the Father's house.
The reason that Mary mistook Jesus for a gardener was because she was kept from recognizing Him. In fact, after Jesus said "Mary" then she turned and recognized Him. In the same way when Jesus appeared and was walking with some believers on the way to Emmaus, it states that they were kept from recognizing Him. So, not recognizing Him does not prove that Jesus was not glorified. If anything it would demonstrate that He was glorified in that, He miraculously kept her from recognizing Him.
Another reason for demonstrating Jesus not having to first appear before the Father in order to be glorified, is the fact that Peter, John and James saw Him in His glorified state when He was transfigured before them on the mountain, which was prior to His crucifixion.
No offense taken.
I was born in Scotland.
Come visit it with your glorified body.
I'm sure Jesus will be there as well.
Jesus must have a soft spot for Scotland. That's why it has such miserable weather.
"And miserable? Oh yes, misery too, lots and lots of misery. A great deal of misery in fact."
They saw a vision that represented the unseen glory. We see the face of God according to the revealed knowledge of God, the scriptures.
The glorified state of God is the unseen. He is not a man as us and niether could he be.. He is eternal Spirit without form.
Jesus as the Son of man demonstrated the work of the father and his own self .Two are needed to establish the new government as the peace of God that does surpass all human understanding...
Loving Authority plus Willing Submission . . . equal . . . Peace and Blessing.
Jesus dared not to stand in the Holy Place of God (faith) but gave glory to the father...
Good is the signature of him that has no form. There is no what the Bible calls daysman a fleshly mediator between God and man. . .or what we call a Pope today.
Matthew 19:17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Christ looked this way once glorified:
Rev. 1:12-16 "And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; and his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength."
So will the saints:
Dan. 12:3 "And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever."
Rev. 1:12-16 "And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; and his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength."
So will the saints:
Dan. 12:3 "And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever."
The Son of man Jesus appeared once for a one time outward demonstation of the work of the lamb slain from before the foundation of the world. He said his corrupted flesh typified as sinful profits for nothing . . .it must of been corrupted in order for him and the Father working together to perform that which the letter of the law could not. Impart grace, as the law of faith .Combining the letter of the law with the law of faith (believing) as the perfect law.
Its when some try and make in more that a demonstration of a already fished work that differences come in..
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Eternal God as eternal Spirit... is not a man as us. Never was never could be.
2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
Walk by faith...
No it doesnt where does it say scripture says that you didnt give the scripture for that. Its just YOU saying it.
He went to the mountain where the presence of God was, when you are in the presecne of God you receive his glory. Many times Jesus went to pray on the mountain to His Father and he received His glory. Did you not stop to think about that Jesus did this many times during his ministry and came back down from the mountain to be with the people.
Sorry awahatuke, many times your posts just dont make sense, they only seem to make sense to you because your logic wants to make it so, but you actually keep skipping over parts of the Bible.
Aw, actually it seems we are all going to travel to the new Jerusalem to visit Jesus there. Im sure we could stop in scotland on the way though.Jesus must have a soft spot for Scotland. That's why it has such miserable weather.
"And miserable? Oh yes, misery too, lots and lots of misery. A great deal of misery in fact."
The thing about new Jerusalem, or Beulah as Isaiah names it in the Bible, is that it doesnt seem to have any bad weather at all, not even the sun or moon to shine there but the glory of God.