The Immediate Fiery Destruction After The Pre Trib Rapture

[Bladerunner]

what part do you not understand...all of the Lord's churches and saints will endure it....the faithful will be KEPT from harm or loss <--we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the LORD those who are haphazard in their service will pay the price (war made against them, worn out and over come by the beast) and many will have their heads whacked off for a refusal to bow tot he image and take his mark....

THE SAINTS are the saved and they are identified ALL thru the N.T. as saved, immersed church members......

I will repeat one of my post again...


Yep, Jesus is telling his 'Bride (us the Church)to Be' that HE is going to beat the 'HE.....'. out of her(us) and (some will die a horrible death) and then take her out to dinner...

Yes, I can take comfort in those words......Yes.,,, I can???????????????????

 

[Hizikyah]

The wrath starts with the 7th seal and 7th trumpet;

How do you come to that conclusion...Just dismiss the first 6 seals that are open by Jesus Himself.

Here is a chart

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Here is a full scriptual proof:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/159517-timeline-seals-trumpets-bowls-revelation.html

 

[Johnny_B]

The Luke 17 teaching has two different groups, Noah and his family were protected throught God's wrath, Lot and his family were taken out and God's wrath did not come until they were out of the city. I used to be heavy pre-trib, now I am waiting to see how it all plays out.


The confusion comes in with the word saints, for some reason some people think that saint only applies to the Church, when it applies to OT believers as well.

Matthew 27:52 "and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;"

 

[Bladerunner]

Here is a chart



Here is a full scriptual proof:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/159517-timeline-seals-trumpets-bowls-revelation.html

Well, it is enlightening to say the least. Of course Zechariah 6:1-8 was a vision of 4 chariots. their colors were close to the same colors found in Rev. 6


The mountains there were coming from most of the time are in error considered to Mt. Zion and Mt. of Olives. I believe the scripture tells us it is between two Mountains of Bronze representing Judgement.

In Zechariah 6:4-8...we find out these chariots are ANGELS sent by GOD. Because of this and other verses in this chapter, I do not believe that these Horses are depicting in anyway, those in Rev 6.

 

[Hizikyah]

Well, it is enlightening to say the least. Of course Zechariah 6:1-8 was a vision of 4 chariots. their colors were close to the same colors found in Rev. 6


The mountains there were coming from most of the time are in error considered to Mt. Zion and Mt. of Olives. I believe the scripture tells us it is between two Mountains of Bronze representing Judgement.

In Zechariah 6:4-8...we find out these chariots are ANGELS sent by GOD. Because of this and other verses in this chapter, I do not believe that these Horses are depicting in anyway, those in Rev 6.

I beleive they are but concerning prophecy I seek to keep an open mind, honestly it has beed a while since I studied this but I do think there are key factors written that shows they are, but none that are so so obvious that it is 100% without a aoubt correct. So when I do re-study this I will keep this thought in mind when seeking. Thank you for the input, I enjoy the word and those that enjoy the word also, praiseYah! may He lead us to truth!

 

[heartofdavid]

The Luke 17 teaching has two different groups, Noah and his family were protected throught God's wrath, Lot and his family were taken out and God's wrath did not come until they were out of the city. I used to be heavy pre-trib, now I am waiting to see how it all plays out.


The confusion comes in with the word saints, for some reason some people think that saint only applies to the Church, when it applies to OT believers as well.

Matthew 27:52 "and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;"

You use lot and noah.
Neither have any post judgement dynamic.
They are BOTH prejudgement. Neither were gathered postjudgement.

Post tribbers seem oblivious thst they have no case. Absolutely no traction.
Post trib rapture is literrally made up by man.

 

[dcontroversal]

The wrath starts with the 7th seal and 7th trumpet;

How do you come to that conclusion...Just dismiss the first 6 seals that are open by Jesus Himself.

Oh maybe because the announcement is made in heaven in front of the throne of GOD that the wrath of GOD has arrived at the 7th trump...yeah...that pretty much tells me when it is....

 

[dcontroversal]

I will repeat one of my post again...


Yep, Jesus is telling his 'Bride (us the Church)to Be' that HE is going to beat the 'HE.....'. out of her(us) and (some will die a horrible death) and then take her out to dinner...

Yes, I can take comfort in those words......Yes.,,, I can???????????????????

This post means nothing in the grand scheme of things and just states clearly that you do not understand tribulation....so...let me guess...ALL of the saved, immersed church members who have been murdered, burnt at the stake, drowned, heads cut off, eaten by lions in the Romans circus, lit like tiki torches for NERO's orgies, crucified, boiled, shot, throats slit, frozen etc. by persecution and tribulation for the last 2000 years are not in the bride? and all of a sudden these last age apostate, worldly churches are above it and beyond the reach of it....?

Sure....I will buy that....and while I am at it...do you have a bridge you can sell me in NYC..........

 

[Bladerunner]

Tell that to the saints that have war made against them, the saints that are worn out, the saints that are overcome by the beast/little horn......for 3.5 years that is....and it is obvious who the SAINTS ARE.....saved, immersed church MEMBERS...wake up...there is NO imminent rapture of the saints and missing the coming great tribulation.

Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ who are at Colosse

Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by God's will, and Timothy our brother: To God's church at Corinth, with all the saints who are throughout Achaia

Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, to the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus

To all those in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints

As opposed to the "POST RAPTURE' If this is so, I do have several questions but will start with these two.


In the Story of the 10 Virgins, they were all believers in Christ...Yet, 5 were looking and another 5 was not looking as they had to go after oil for their lamps....

IF your Post rapture is a fact, then the people who these virgins represent Get the oil without the mark of the beast. The end of Daniel's 70th week, will have only dead People (who took the mark of the beast or Believers who did not take the mark of the beast yet survived.

Hope we are good here.... It appears there are no one left of populate the earth during the millennium except the Remnant of Israel who GOD has protected down in Petra.

And don't say that some will live through the GT that are not believers. For if they are non-believers, they will almost certainly take the mark. And if they are believers, they will be raptured

 

[Enow]

Jeremiah 50:[SUP]6 [/SUP]My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]All that found them have devoured them: and their adversaries said, We offend not, because they have sinned against the Lord, the habitation of justice, even the Lord, the hope of their fathers.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]Remove out of the midst of Babylon, and go forth out of the land of the Chaldeans, and be as the he goats before the flocks.[SUP]9 [/SUP]For, lo, I will raise and cause to come up against Babylon an assembly of great nations from the north country: and they shall set themselves in array against her; from thence she shall be taken: their arrows shall be as of a mighty expert man; none shall return in vain.....[SUP]10 [/SUP]And Chaldea shall be a spoil: all that spoil her shall be satisfied, saith the Lord.[SUP] 11 [/SUP]Because ye were glad, because ye rejoiced, O ye destroyers of mine heritage, because ye are grown fat as the heifer at grass, and bellow as bulls;[SUP] 12 [/SUP]Your mother shall be sore confounded; she that bare you shall be ashamed: behold, the hindermost of the nations shall be a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Because of the wrath of the Lord it shall not be inhabited, but it shall be wholly desolate: every one that goeth by Babylon shall be astonished, and hiss at all her plagues. 14Put yourselves in array against Babylon round about: all ye that bend the bow, shoot at her, spare no arrows: for she hath sinned against the Lord. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Shout against her round about: she hath given her hand: her foundations are fallen, her walls are thrown down: for it is the vengeance of the Lord: take vengeance upon her; as she hath done, do unto her. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Cut off the sower from Babylon, and him that handleth the sickle in the time of harvest: for fear of the oppressing sword they shall turn every one to his people, and they shall flee every one to his own land.


Ezekiel 7:[SUP]3 [/SUP]Now is the end come upon thee, and I will send mine anger upon thee, and will judge thee according to thy ways, and will recompense upon thee all thine abominations.[SUP]4 [/SUP]And mine eye shall not spare thee, neither will I have pity: but I will recompense thy ways upon thee, and thine abominations shall be in the midst of thee: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.[SUP] 5 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord God; An evil, an only evil, behold, is come.[SUP]6 [/SUP]An end is come, the end is come: it watcheth for thee; behold, it is come.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]The morning is come unto thee, O thou that dwellest in the land: the time is come, the day of trouble is near, and not the sounding again of the mountains.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]Now will I shortly pour out my fury upon thee, and accomplish mine anger upon thee: and I will judge thee according to thy ways, and will recompense thee for all thine abominations.[SUP] 9 [/SUP]And mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: I will recompense thee according to thy ways and thine abominations that are in the midst of thee; and ye shall know that I am the Lord that smiteth.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]Behold the day, behold, it is come: the morning is gone forth; the rod hath blossomed, pride hath budded.[SUP] 11 [/SUP]Violence is risen up into a rod of wickedness: none of them shall remain, nor of their multitude, nor of any of their's: neither shall there be wailing for them.[SUP] 12 [/SUP]The time is come, the day draweth near: let not the buyer rejoice, nor the seller mourn: for wrath is upon all the multitude thereof.[SUP] 13 [/SUP]For the seller shall not return to that which is sold, although they were yet alive: for the vision is touching the whole multitude thereof, which shall not return; neither shall any strengthen himself in the iniquity of his life.[SUP] 14 [/SUP]They have blown the trumpet, even to make all ready; but none goeth to the battle: for my wrath is upon all the multitude thereof.[SUP]15 [/SUP]The sword is without, and the pestilence and the famine within: he that is in the field shall die with the sword; and he that is in the city, famine and pestilence shall devour him.

The Lord is calling all believers to get ready by going before that throne of grace for help to discern iniquity to depart from them as well as being willing to go in leaving this life and our loved ones behind; to prepare yourselves by trusting the Good Shepherd before the Bridegroom comes; ... or else.

 

[Bladerunner]

Here is a chart



Here is a full scriptual proof:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/159517-timeline-seals-trumpets-bowls-revelation.html

As I think you are Jewish, you should know how a scroll works. If what you are saying is correct, then you have one tiny thing wrong.. By your reasoning, The 1st seal should contain ALL the rest of the seals, trumpets and bowls. You are trying hard to make it something it is not.

Jesus opens the seals one at a time. the 7th seal has a condition that has to be met before the 1st trumpet is blown. the 7th trumpet instructions have to be met before the 1st of the vials (bowls) are brought down from Heaven. They are sequential not parallel. Between the 6th and 7th seal, Trumpet and Bowl, there is a "Hiccup" that 1. gives us a break and 2. tells us some details about what has happened or what will happen in the next few pages. These are: chapter 7, chapters 10-14, and one little paragraph Chapter 16,15.

 

[Bladerunner]

Oh maybe because the announcement is made in heaven in front of the throne of GOD that the wrath of GOD has arrived at the 7th trump...yeah...that pretty much tells me when it is....

Do you not call these God's wrath? Rev. 6:12.."......there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;"

Then Rev 6:13 "And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth............."

Then Rev 6:14..."And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

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YET in REV 6:15..."And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

Recognized that in REV 6:16....."And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:16..."

WHO...REV 6:17....."For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"


Now DC, you said: "Oh maybe because the announcement is made in heaven in front of the throne of GOD that the wrath of GOD has arrived at the 7th trump"

A ? Are all the words in Revelation and any other book of the Bible GOD's Direct WORDS? If this is so, then JESUS is telling JOHN to write that the ones in REV 6: 12-17 are MEN crying out to GOD for mercy.

Both are God's WORD and in Rev 11:15..."And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

OR

Rev. 11:16..."And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Are these what you are talking about,,,???????


Both are about God's Wrath, one at the beginning of Daniel's 70th week and one at the beginning of the Great Tribulation, Jacob's Trouble, the time the Jewish people will cry out to Jesus and the "Earth Dwellers", are judged.