the intent of the law

[Apostol2013]

The Laws were created to give us chances after chances to rehabilitate us. God has kept on giving us chances, but if it were I, the first mistake a person does, they are out of here. But God's mercy kept on giving us chances like most parents does for their spoiled children. So I guess He want us to have the same feelings that He has for us and appreciate the things that He has created for us to enjoy but not the things that we has created.

we take care of the poor, the widow and the fatherless out of love and because we have His Holy Spirit who teaches us His ways. Not because of the Law and the thought of punishment or reward but out of overflowing love and true understanding of what God wants His children to do and be.

Jesus washed us clean with His blood and gave us His Holy Spirit to cry out Abba Father so that we are no longer servants to be ordered around but beloved children and heirs to be ambassadors in this world for our Father who is in Heaven.

Therefore the Law taught us how much we NEED Jesus and how to be compassionate to others who are not perfect, who are like us and make mistakes. It teaches us that WE need forgiveness and that GOD shows us how we should forgive others because HE died for us and Forgave us our sins. Our debt is so much greater, our transgressions so much more severe than any that another could do against us, but Jesus washed us clean. He wiped away the handwriting and nailed it to the cross.

Colossians 2:14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

I like the ideas d belief i am in agreement the cross is holy because of jesus he died for us he saved us there is no doubt it waa jesus in the desert it was jesus handing the law to moses all jesus why we are saved burt this thread was to see if anyone has really studied the law and to see the flying ideas of the saints wich i am not disapointed but well pleased.my brethren

 

[Apostol2013]

Galatians 3
[SUP]19 [/SUP]What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. [SUP]22 [/SUP]But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. [SUP]24[/SUP]Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

Jer 7:21 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh.
Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
Jer 7:24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.
Jer 7:25 Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them:
Jer 7:26 Yet they hearkened not unto me, nor inclined their ear, but hardened their neck: they did worse than their fathers.
Jer 7:27 Therefore thou shalt speak all these words unto them; but they will not hearken to thee: thou shalt also call unto them; but they will not answer thee.
yes the law was added due to transgresions for when israel left egypt israel was used to the egyptian way and knew not the just way or execute the true judgement so the law was addded for various reasons to implement cleanliness that is why we see the leviticus laws so strict on cleanliness laws towards sexual conduct due to immorality laws against adultery for they had no respect for each other that they would even steal from each other and laws on wildlife preservation even of the enviroment laws to furnish nourishment for the poor laws with the intent of a healthy generation that they should not have genetic defects that is why certain animals were only allowed to be eaten and even the harshness of the law was with good intent believe it or not that in the nuleai of the brain there are memeory banks that go back several generations that are called generational curses that sin leaves an imprint in the mind that affects the coming generations that is why jesus gave us the gift oof the holy ghost that it may cleanse all those generational curses or imprints left from our previous fathers through the spirit prayer the law was to show us propper conduct because not everyone has a right sense of righteousness and that is why the law is there that we may learn and better that the spirit may do his work within us but the law was good but not perfect and could not guaranted salvation but in christ it is guaranteed........

 

[psychomom]

I think there's a difference between learning from the OT (which ALL Christians should do!)
and placing oneself under the Old Covenant...the parts of it one picks and chooses for themselves, anyway.

The moral Law IS for Christians. It's part of God's Holy Character. It stands forever.
We are to obey it. It's revealed in the NT all over the place, btw.

 

[Blain]

I think there's a difference between learning from the OT (which ALL Christians should do!)
and placing oneself under the Old Covenant...the parts of it one picks and chooses for themselves, anyway.

The moral Law IS for Christians. It's part of God's Holy Character. It stands forever.
We are to obey it. It's revealed in the NT all over the place, btw.

KABOOM!!! And Psychomom blast through with a wonderful and truthful answer I really miss you psychomom

 

[psychomom]

KABOOM!!! And Psychomom blast through with a wonderful and truthful answer I really miss you psychomom

I love you every day, Blain. ♥

 

[crossnote]

I think there's a difference between learning from the OT (which ALL Christians should do!)
and placing oneself under the Old Covenant...the parts of it one picks and chooses for themselves, anyway.

The moral Law IS for Christians. It's part of God's Holy Character. It stands forever.
We are to obey it. It's revealed in the NT all over the place, btw.

TRUE BUT...How is it applied as we see the struggle Paul had with the moral law (I.e. coveting) in Rom.7 due to indwelling sin?

 

[4enlightment]

I like the ideas d belief i am in agreement the cross is holy because of jesus he died for us he saved us there is no doubt it waa jesus in the desert it was jesus handing the law to moses all jesus why we are saved burt this thread was to see if anyone has really studied the law and to see the flying ideas of the saints wich i am not disapointed but well pleased.my brethren

There is too many rules and regulations, and I'm glad that Jesus has summed them up for us or has gotten to the point what God is expecting from us. But to pattern ourselves to perform what He is expecting from us is making robots that is program to take orders and to perform certain duties, but it isn't the same as someone that can think and move independently that has the same desires as the one that has created them.

 

[homwardbound]

The Law serves as punishment. Like a Law officer, you are only pulled over while driving when one breaks the Law, gets a ticket and due punishment is imputed.
The Law period is a reminder of sin, one has committed or might commit in the future, and fear is instilled into that Child, usually from birth on, Children learn punishment and rewards, per their behavior. Children grow up learning how to behave and get away with bad behavior, not really obeying Law or Laws, many times faking it, have learned to be good actors and many as well today use Jesus and Jesus's finished work at the cross as an escape Goat, to their gain.
It is to me a shame to take for granted this amazing Salvation of God through Son, Christ.
The Law is and was in place for "accountability" I personally am accountable for any and all sins that I have committed, and could commit in the future if committed, while I am forgiven by God through Son, So I am by God through Son, learning from God how to say no to Sin by and through this amazing Grace of God to us all, through Son. I found for me only by Faith in the finished work of Christ can I learn to say no to unrighteousness and walk in God's righteousness. I also only found I can only do this daily, as each day arrives

[h=3]1 John 3:3[/h]New International Version (NIV)


[SUP]3 [/SUP]All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.

Galatians 2:20
I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

Luke 11:33
[ The Lamp of the Body ] “No one lights a lamp and puts it in a place where it will be hidden, or under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, so that those who come in may see the light.

Those that believe keep their bodies under subjection are "Accountable" for their actions and reactions, just not in fear anymore as in dying from sinning, nor take this forgiven by God through for granted.
The Law is fulfilled in Christ, but at least me I do not make void the Law and it's reminders that keep me in Check, which keeps me humble and reminds me of my need for God to lead in place of me

 

[homwardbound]

So do we make void the Law and it's purpose or uphold the Law and it's purpose, the Law itself being pure, flesh that is what is weak, and we all do live in unredeemed flesh do we not? So then what does one do? After believe in the redeemer, Jesus Christ? what a straight betwixt we all are in. Are we still "accountable" or are we using Christ as an escape goat? As people use "I was Drunk" as an escape goat. Or "My parents raised me this or that way" Man has many excuses for his bad behavior and are escaping "ACCOUNTABILITY" using "scape goats" any and all excuses to be found to get away with selfishness. just like the Corinthians did and is why Paul wrote 1 Cor. to them to bring them to "Accountability" using the Law to do this even though from Father's view point they, the one's called were Saints in Father's sight thanks to Christ

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I think there's a difference between learning from the OT (which ALL Christians should do!)
and placing oneself under the Old Covenant...the parts of it one picks and chooses for themselves, anyway.

The moral Law IS for Christians. It's part of God's Holy Character. It stands forever.
We are to obey it. It's revealed in the NT all over the place, btw.

Every part of the law is for Christians. It's just a matter of how it is all to be obeyed: works of law, or faith and love?

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice [i.e., his spirit], and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them. Deuteronomy 30:19-20​

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Christ died in our place and His sacrifice freed us from the penalty of the law. However we are free from the law only to the extent that it can no longer condemn us, we are still commanded to obey its percepts...as the Word of God in Deuteronomy 29: 29 speaks “The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law."

Faith in Christ and love of the brethren fulfills those precepts.

 

[felicecan]

Faith in Christ and love of the brethren fulfills those precepts.

amen. though love is not a substitution to law, it fulfills the law in its entirety.

 

[psychomom]

TRUE BUT...How is it applied as we see the struggle Paul had with the moral law (I.e. coveting) in Rom.7 due to indwelling sin?

7What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, “YOU SHALL NOT COVET.” 8But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead. 9I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; 10and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me; 11for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. 12So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good. 13Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me? May it never be! Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.

Law=good! Sin=bad!

Is this saying we SEE the Law, and that it produces sin in us (we SEE our sin), and it slays us?
Now we are dead to the Law to be free to be joined to the Lord, that we might serve Him in newness of Spirit.
Our two natures war with one another, "with my mind I am serving the Law of God", but with my flesh the law of sin".

Then the wonderful chapter eight.
I believe our obedience to the Lord is a gift.
Not anything I do in and of myself.
It's all from God...every good and perfect gift.

Not even sure if that answers you, crossnote, but you'll let me know?

 

[Kerry]

Law = good sin = bad but what did the law do to remedy the sin = 0

 

[psychomom]

Every part of the law is for Christians. It's just a matter of how it is all to be obeyed: works of law, or faith and love?

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice [i.e., his spirit], and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them. Deuteronomy 30:19-20​

Eph 2
14For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, 16and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity.

What does this mean?

 

[Kerry]

Thought I would paste this here for the law keepers.
I wonder since we have so many law keepers here. The law states that if you brother dies and has a wife that you are obligated to provide him an heir by his wife that is now your wife. Or do the law keepers pick and choose.

 

[loveme1]

Matthew 22

34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Being forgiven teaches us how to forgive.

Being loved teaches us how to love.

 

[Least]

Thought I would paste this here for the law keepers.
I wonder since we have so many law keepers here. The law states that if you brother dies and has a wife that you are obligated to provide him an heir by his wife that is now your wife. Or do the law keepers pick and choose.

Mark 12:12 And they sought to lay hold on him, but feared the people: for they knew that he had spoken the parable against them: and they left him, and went their way.
Mark 12:13 And they send unto him certain of the Pharisees and of the Herodians, to catch him in his words.

Mark 12:18 Then come unto him the Sadducees, which say there is no resurrection; and they asked him, saying,
Mark 12:19 Master, Moses wrote unto us, If a man's brother die, and leave his wife behind him, and leave no children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
Mark 12:20 Now there were seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and dying left no seed.
Mark 12:21 And the second took her, and died, neither left he any seed: and the third likewise.
Mark 12:22 And the seven had her, and left no seed: last of all the woman died also.
Mark 12:23 In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife.
Mark 12:24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?
Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

"Man shall not live on bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God."

As a person who has been labeled a "legalist," my answer is, I'd rather honor every word of God, even the words that are called "foundational," "Built upon the prophets, Apostles, Christ Jesus being the chief cornerstone." That includes the things that I don't yet understand, because Jesus said that we should live by every word. I fully believe that as we continue in HIS word, HE will reveal those things to all of us who seek, knock and ask.

I'd rather do those things, than have distain for or reject any part of God's word, I'd also rather be called a "law keeper," than the alternative.

 

[loveme1]

Thought I would paste this here for the law keepers.
I wonder since we have so many law keepers here. The law states that if you brother dies and has a wife that you are obligated to provide him an heir by his wife that is now your wife. Or do the law keepers pick and choose.

Did the Messiah give this Command in His Testimony?

 

[Laodicea]

Thought I would paste this here for the law keepers.
I wonder since we have so many law keepers here. The law states that if you brother dies and has a wife that you are obligated to provide him an heir by his wife that is now your wife. Or do the law keepers pick and choose.

Are you a law breaker or a law keeper?