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And presupposition isn't a bad thing as long as we understand that's the only logical answer. It is. If it ain't, feel free to go for another one. 60 years old, and I haven't heard it yet.
The Intersection of Theoogy and Science
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God is all powerful,..... the formula,material,production of the physical universe in motion before the physical universe existed and at the beginning of the motion of the physical universe existing and in motion existing creating motion.
a motion creating a motion
Not exactly. You were discussing the creation.
This is about the Creator.
This says, In the beginning, GOD.......
God already IS!
In the beginning.
My puny pea-brain can't fully wrap itself around this and grasp it.
My head would probably explode. (The little bang theory? Lol
)I accept it by faith. Likewise, when this Creator who already is,
spoke His creation into existence, is it not possible that He created it in motion?
I'm not saying I know if He did,
I'm just not yet willing to rule out the possibility.
I'm not smart enough to remember why I walked
into another room, sometimes, so I don't think I'm
qualified to know or explain how God created.
Peace.
Non-sequitur.
Scripture shows a sequential process...NOT things that are already in motion.
Not exactly. You were discussing the creation.
This is about the Creator.
This says, In the beginning, GOD.......
God already IS!
In the beginning.
My puny pea-brain can't fully wrap itself around this and grasp it.
My head would probably explode. (The little bang theory? Lol
I accept it by faith. Likewise, when this Creator who already is,
spoke His creation into existence, is it not possible that He created it in motion?
I'm not saying I know if He did,
I'm just not yet willing to rule out the possibility.
I'm not smart enough to remember why I walked
into another room, sometimes, so I don't think I'm
qualified to know or explain how God created.
Peace.
Of course we are discussing the creation, and not the Creator....and, as such, He created in a linear sequence, as counted from 1 to 6....NOT the YEC fantasy of 'fully aged'...and....'already in motion'....which is simply more nonsense of YEC's not conforming to the sciences, like I already mentioned...
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BeyondET
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Not exactly. You were discussing the creation.
This is about the Creator.
This says, In the beginning, GOD.......
God already IS!
In the beginning.
My puny pea-brain can't fully wrap itself around this and grasp it.
My head would probably explode. (The little bang theory? Lol
I accept it by faith. Likewise, when this Creator who already is,
spoke His creation into existence, is it not possible that He created it in motion?
I'm not saying I know if He did,
I'm just not yet willing to rule out the possibility.
I'm not smart enough to remember why I walked
into another room, sometimes, so I don't think I'm
qualified to know or explain how God created.
Peace.
Well that's not to hard to figure out what God wants us to know, the scriptures say 6 days of creation surely God can in 1 day because scripture says this also.
my 2 cents --
i'm a potter. well not practicing; i haven't made pottery for a decade or more, but i learned all about how to do it and did quite a lot of it in college. back then, one late night while i was alone playing in the mud in the sculpture studio, where a skeleton hung on the corner ((for modeling/drawing use)) it occurred to me that if i had to choose any bone in a human for a tool, to make a woman out of dust with, as man was formed out of dust - because that's what clay is, mind you, dust mixed with water -- the best tool in the human skeleton is a rib. its got a natural handle and a wide, flat, curved shape that would actually make a very excellent tool for making pottery with.
so when the Bible says God used a part of Adam's side to form Eve with -- what i picture is the Master Potter taking his rib and using it as a tool to form her out of mud.
maybe that's heresy; maybe it's completely unsupported, maybe it's much closer to the truth. i don't know. i'm certainly not dogmatic about it. that's just what i think of whenever that verse pops up
Yes I know, but the thread title mentions theology, so I thought Genesis 1:1 was appropriate to mention.
(actually, it says theoogy, so I might be WAY off base here)
So were the stars planets and earth just sitting stationary while God was busy creating the rest of the stuff on earth, and then He gave it a good slap to start the world spinning? Wouldn't the earth have overheated on the 'sun-side' while it was sitting stationary, waiting? (As I said before, I have no idea)
Yes, that much I see. I was referring to the 'HOW' of it. God spoke. That's good enough for me.
And the other thing I mentioned, In the beginning.....IN the beginning,
GOD......Already was. I mean IS. I mean, that's just, wow.
What an awesome God! And He sent His Son to die for us? For me? Wow!
I don't know what to say sometimes. Thank you, Jesus!
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BeyondET
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my 2 cents --
i'm a potter. well not practicing; i haven't made pottery for a decade or more, but i learned all about how to do it and did quite a lot of it in college. back then, one late night while i was alone playing in the mud in the sculpture studio, where a skeleton hung on the corner ((for modeling/drawing use)) it occurred to me that if i had to choose any bone in a human for a tool, to make a woman out of dust with, as man was formed out of dust - because that's what clay is, mind you, dust mixed with water -- the best tool in the human skeleton is a rib. its got a natural handle and a wide, flat, curved shape that would actually make a very excellent tool for making pottery with.
so when the Bible says God used a part of Adam's side to form Eve with -- what i picture is the Master Potter taking his rib and using it as a tool to form her out of mud.
maybe that's heresy; maybe it's completely unsupported, maybe it's much closer to the truth. i don't know. i'm certainly not dogmatic about it. that's just what i think of whenever that verse pops up
human bones,, calcium carbonate
[h=1]DEEP-WATER CORALS THRIVE WHERE THE SUN NEVER SHINES[/h]IN ANIMALS, MARINE SCIENCE, Q & A, RESEARCH NEWS, SCIENCE & NATURE / 26 MARCH 2014 / 1 COMMENT
Mention coral reefs and images like snorkeling, tropical fish and sunny island getaways pop to mind. Vacation packages are not being offered, however, for many of the destinations Smithsonian taxonomist Stephen Cairns visits to gather the cold-water corals that are his specialty. And forget about snorkeling, these coral live where it is very deep and very dark.
“Cold-water corals are much different than shallow-water corals in that most are loners, they are solitary and don’t live in colonies,” Cairns explains. Only about a dozen of the 700 known species of cold-water corals live in colonies and form coral banks [deep-water reefs]. “Most cold-water coral live alone on the ocean bottom with one tiny coral over here, sometimes just a millimeter in diameter, and the next one maybe 30 feet away,” Cairns says.
Awareness of cold-water corals is growing but remains surprisingly low among the scientific community and is almost non-existent in the general public, Cairns says. Here Smithsonian Science asks Cairns, whose laboratory is in the National Museum of Natural History in Washington, D.C., more about these often overlooked marine invertebrates.
Deep-water solitary coral from off the coast of Georgia. (South Carolina Department of Natural Resources photo)[h=3]Q. WHAT IS THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN COLD-WATER CORALS AND TROPICAL CORALS?[/h]Cairns: Tropical corals live in symbiosis with dinoflagellates, which are plant-like protozoa, so they need light. (The coral doesn’t need the light but the dinoflagellate does.) This restricts reef coral to shallow water and to warm water at that. Deep, cold-water corals don’t have this symbiosis so they are free to live in cold water and water with no light.
Dinoflagellates help coral reefs grow faster and grow larger. The average cold-water coral is the size of a dime whereas the average reef coral is breadbasket size.
Another main difference, again, is that most cold-water corals don’t live in colonies but are solitary.
Polyps of the deep-water coral “Leiopathes sp.” (black coral) from offshore Georgia. (Photo courtesy Marine Resources Research Institute)[h=3]Q: HOW DO YOU STUDY SOMETHING SO SMALL THAT LIVES SO DEEP IN THE OCEAN? [/h]Cairns: One thing that is frustrating for me, and it happens almost every day, is that somebody will send me a picture of a living coral and ask me what it is. For the most part I can’t tell them because I rarely see the coral I study alive, they are so deep in the ocean. But I don’t have to see the corals down deep for what I do.
I collect specimens by manned submersible and by trawling from a large oceanographic vessel. I put a net over the back that is maybe 20 to 30 feet in mouth diameter and hope it hits and stays on the bottom as the boat drags it. If I am lucky, it comes up with some corals and whatever else is down there. As a taxonomist I need to put the specimen under a microscope and count things and compare it to other known species. I am almost like a paleontologist in this regard. I just need the specimens.
I’ve named about 500 new species in a career spanning 40 years. There are so few people who study cold-water corals that it has been easy for me to name new species.
Stephen Cairns in his office at the National Museum of Natural History.[h=3]Q: WHERE DO COLD-WATER CORALS LIVE?[/h]Cairns: All over the world from the Arctic to the Antarctic. They need water that has lots of nutrients and a hard substrate to cling to–it could be a grain of sand or another dead coral of the same species. You won’t find many out in the middle of the ocean because of the depth, since deeper than 13,123 feet is too deep for most corals.
New techniques in acoustic seabed mapping have revealed a previously unknown density of cold-water coral reefs and coral carbonate mounds in some area of the ocean floor. Still, understanding the global distribution of deep, cold-water corals remains very limited by the lack of information in many deep-sea areas.
“Stephanocyathus (A.) spiniger,” a solitary, deep-water stony coral species, has six long spines that slow it from sinking into soft substrates. (Smithsonian Institution photo)[h=3]Q. WHAT IMPACT MIGHT GLOBAL WARMING HAVE ON DEEP-WATER CORAL?[/h]Cairns: Global warming doesn’t really affect deep-water corals because it is warming the ocean from the top down. Ocean acidification, on the other hand, affects the ocean from the bottom up—the deeper water is more acidic—and this is an insidious threat to cold-water corals. As more carbon dioxide is pumped into the air and into the ocean the level [saturation horizon] of high-acidity water is rising from the bottom.
Alarmists say eventually this layer will rise to the surface and all coral and all calcium carbonate organisms will no longer be able to calcify their skeletons. Corals will still be able to exist in water with higher acidity because their skeletons are covered by tissue and are not exposed to this acid. As soon as a coral dies however, and the tissue sloughs off, the skeleton will dissolve. This is a problem for the maintenance of deep-water coral banks as this saturation layer moves higher.
This orange bamboo coral is between four and five feet tall and was found 5,745 feet below the surface near Hawaii. (Credit: Hawaii Deep-Sea Coral Expedition/NOAA)[h=3]Q. WHY ARE DEEP-WATER BANKS IMPORTANT?[/h]Carins: Like warm-water coral reefs, cold-water corals that do colonize and create deep skeletal frameworks are significant engineers of underwater ecosystems on continental shelves, slopes, canyons, and seamounts across the globe. Deep coral structures, often thousands of years old, can accumulate tens of meters above the sea floor and provide niches for a diverse community of sea life. These include a mix of suspension feeders with many sponges, hydroids and bryozoans that settle and grow on exposed dead coral. In the Northeast Atlantic some 1,804 species have been recorded associated with habitats created by the coral Lophelia pertusa.
[h=3]Q. COLD-WATER CORALS LIVE IN DARKNESS YET SOME SPECIES ARE COLORFUL. WHAT PURPOSE DOES THEIR COLOR SERVE?[/h]Cairns: I don’t think the color serves any purpose. You are talking about tissue color but if you take the tissue off of the skeleton the coral skeleton is usually white because it is calcium carbonate like our bones. Sometimes, however, the skeleton is pink or black or various other colors. With the tissue attached, nothing can see underneath the coral tissue to the skeleton so there is no reason for that skeleton to have any color. Even if there were light down there you wouldn’t see the skeleton. So I’ve been perplexed about why there is color in the skeleton, as well as in the tissue. I’ve thought about this for a long time and there is no purpose that I can see.
Huh only one nostril
A scanning electron microscope image of the hinged opercula that covers the feeding polyp of the deep-water coral “Adelopora pseudothyron” Cairns, 1982. In most corals there are no moving skeletal parts. (Photo courtesy Stephen Cairns)[h=3]Q: CAN YOU DESCRIBE ONE OF THE MOST UNUSUAL COLD-WATER CORAL SPECIES THAT YOU HAVE NAMED?[/h]Cairns: One of the most unusual corals I have described is Adelopora pseudothyronCairns, 1982, which is a stylasterid coral [also known as lace corals] that has tiny (less than 1 millimeter) hinged opercula that cover the tube in which the feeding polyp is located. In most corals there are no moving skeletal parts,so this is a real exception.
my 2 cents --
i'm a potter. well not practicing; i haven't made pottery for a decade or more, but i learned all about how to do it and did quite a lot of it in college. back then, one late night while i was alone playing in the mud in the sculpture studio, where a skeleton hung on the corner ((for modeling/drawing use)) it occurred to me that if i had to choose any bone in a human for a tool, to make a woman out of dust with, as man was formed out of dust - because that's what clay is, mind you, dust mixed with water -- the best tool in the human skeleton is a rib. its got a natural handle and a wide, flat, curved shape that would actually make a very excellent tool for making pottery with.
so when the Bible says God used a part of Adam's side to form Eve with -- what i picture is the Master Potter taking his rib and using it as a tool to form her out of mud.
maybe that's heresy; maybe it's completely unsupported, maybe it's much closer to the truth. i don't know. i'm certainly not dogmatic about it. that's just what i think of whenever that verse pops up
Eve was made out of his side, not his rib
poor translation
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eternally-gratefull
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No, It shows a 24 hour a day 7 day week of creation, Everything was put in motion so at the end of 6 days the universe was a living breathing organism, all set to sustain life and all life needs.
Yes I know, but the thread title mentions theology, so I thought Genesis 1:1 was appropriate to mention.
(actually, it says theoogy, so I might be WAY off base here)
So were the stars planets and earth just sitting stationary while God was busy creating the rest of the stuff on earth, and then He gave it a good slap to start the world spinning? Wouldn't the earth have overheated on the 'sun-side' while it was sitting stationary, waiting? (As I said before, I have no idea)
Our sun and the stars were created in Gen 1.1, before 'day 1' and after the beginning starting point.
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eternally-gratefull
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Jesus added bread and fish to feed 5000. Didf Jesus creat it ready to eat, Or did he create it from scratch, then have to prepare it..
He created it ready to eat. Just like he did the universe, ready to sustain life..
Impossible.
The seventh day was never closed-out like the previous six....which means, that we are literally still in the seventh day....of which, is clearly more than a 24hr period of time.
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eternally-gratefull
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So God is not all powerful?
Thanks, I knew we worshipped a different God.
The bible says God rested on day seven, it did not say he is still resting.
Nice try though.
My bible says day four.
Also, were the waters already moving when He created the sea creatures on day 5?
Ahhh, too deep for me. God bless. Have a good day.
I go by what scripture says...not by what your imagination conjures up...
Show us where day seven ended like the previous six.
Good luck.
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