The Kerygma - God's Requirement for Salvation

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Cameron143

Cameron143

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Pilgrimshope said:
Brother you continually answer any simple point that you don’t want to just say “ yes “ to lol with a circle back to unrelated topic

babies aren’t sinful even under the law until they were of age to be accountable for sin. They don’t need salvation until they have sinned , we’re saved from sin which has a sentance of death because we have sinned babies have no sin they need remitted or guilt they need to confess again especially unborn babies

But Cameron dear brother hownis your answer to the question

“Do we have to believe the gospel to be saved ?”

A question about unborn babies and “ if “ God can do that ? God can do anything he wants to brother . He’s told us how to be saved in the everlasting Gospel and said whoever believes shall be saved

Whoever doesn’t believe shall be damned

“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭

“But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

unborn humans can’t do that they can’t be aware of sin and commit sin either it doesn’t make sense to ask aboit thier salvation they’re innocent.

“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.

My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We find salvation in Christ who was promised in the ot and arrived in the new im not sure an unborn baby is a fair comparison to a grown and accountable man or woman
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My answer is no. That doesn't mean God doesn't employ the gospel and work salvation through the word of God and the Spirit of God as a general rule. He does. But He's God. He's not limited to save only in this manner. He could effect salvation by doing the chicken dance if He so chooses.
The reason I asked about an unborn child is to make this point. Even an unborn child needs redemption. They are in Adam, not Christ, when they are conceived. If they die, are they magically placed into Christ? Or does God need to place them into Christ? Does a spiritual birth take place?
I'm just giving an example where the gospel is not the means of salvation. And if there is even 1 example where it is absent, then it is not required.
 
Pilgrimshope

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Cameron143 said:
My answer is no. That doesn't mean God doesn't employ the gospel and work salvation through the word of God and the Spirit of God as a general rule. He does. But He's God. He's not limited to save only in this manner. He could effect salvation by doing the chicken dance if He so chooses.
The reason I asked about an unborn child is to make this point. Even an unborn child needs redemption. They are in Adam, not Christ, when they are conceived. If they die, are they magically placed into Christ? Or does God need to place them into Christ? Does a spiritual birth take place?
I'm just giving an example where the gospel is not the means of salvation. And if there is even 1 example where it is absent, then it is not required.
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Yea wow I suppose is all I can really say to that Cameron.

“I'm just giving an example where the gospel is not the means of salvation. “

whats the example ? Just the hypothetical situation you’re suggesting out of thin air ? And deciding that would be salvation ? I feel like we’re no longer in a biblical discussion forum sometimes . Lol but I keep checking and that’s what it says
 
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Pilgrimshope said:
Yea wow I suppose is all I can really say to that Cameron.

“I'm just giving an example where the gospel is not the means of salvation. “

whats the example ? Just the hypothetical situation you’re suggesting out of thin air ? And deciding that would be salvation ? I feel like we’re no longer in a biblical discussion forum sometimes . Lol but I keep checking and that’s what it says
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So...will you answer a few questions for me?
 
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Cameron143 said:
Nothing I've said isn't in the Bible, but I'll attach verses for you.
1 Corinthians 15:22...is it true that an individual is in Adam or in Christ?
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What individual ? These ones are in Christ they are the children of God being baptized Into his son

Galatians 3:26-29 KJV
[26] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. [27] For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. [28] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. [29] And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

We want to be in the right group that the savior is offering salvation to all of creation

Mark 16:15-16 KJV
[15] And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. [16] He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

That's salvation forever brother there's no other way but through Christ and you go through Christ when you begin to accept and believe the gospel in which Jesus is offering believers ...salvation
 
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Pilgrimshope said:
What individual ? These ones are in Christ they are the children of God being baptized Into his son

Galatians 3:26-29 KJV
[26] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. [27] For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. [28] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. [29] And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

We want to be in the right group that the savior is offering salvation to all of creation

Mark 16:15-16 KJV
[15] And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. [16] He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

That's salvation forever brother there's no other way but through Christ and you go through Christ when you begin to accept and believe the gospel in which Jesus is offering believers ...salvation
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Not my question. Is it true that all are born in Adam? Do we come into this world under condemnation?
 
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