The key to remember for all of us. One's interpretation of Scripture is not equal to Scripture itself in authority.

[Nehemiah6]

Every word that falls from the lips of men are lies.

That's rather hyperbolic, but I guess what you mean is that the Scriptures were meant to be totally inspired without any human opinions added. And that is true (1 Tim 3:16). So rest assured you can trust the Bible (more specifically the KJB in English, or its equivalent in other languages).

 

[Nehemiah6]

He left most of the words for people to fill in.

You seem to be rather confused (hence "TheLearner"?). On one hand you seem to be promoting plenary verbal inspiration (which is true) and on the other hand you made this nonsensical statement "for people to fill in". Well, you can't have it both ways.

Plenary verbal inspiration means that each and every word in the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts was a word from God (even though written by men). And the doctrine of divine preservation says that God preserved those words through faithful scribes and copyists, as well as a multitude of copies, extending from the 2nd to the 14th century (after which printed copies became available).

The best example of divine preservation is a comparison of the Isaiah scroll from the Dead Sea Scrolls (dating back to about 200 BC) and the Leningrad Codex (the Masoretic Text dated from around 1008 AD). That is a gap of 1,200 years, yet the two manuscripts are almost identical. Why? Because the Jewish scribes made METICULOUS copies of their Scriptures from the time of Moses. And this also applies to the New Testament, which is found in thousands of copies, the majority of which represent the true text of the NT.

 

[Nehemiah6]

People need to stop with the interpreting of Scripture and just study and UNDERSTAND. Stop trying to prove what you belief and allow the Scripture to teach you. Interpreting leads to all kinds of false belief and teaching.

This is patently false. To understand means to interpret correctly. Of course there are false interpretations, but that is a separate issue. You will find the phrase "which being interpreted" in the New Testament. Why do cults and false Christianity exist? Because of false interpretations. Which also means that there are true interpretations. It is your duty to separate the chaff from the wheat.

 

[TheLearner]

You've overlooked something critical to the discussion: that the origins of evolution are pagan, and that the "science" that proposes an earth millions or billions of years old is founded on the rejection of God's authority. While "creation science" is relatively new, "evolutionary science" is also relatively new. Most significant scientific discoveries prior to the 20th century (and many since) were made by people who believed in God.

Hi Dino, I do not believe in evolution at all. But, to be intellectually honest I find your claim that "the origins of evolution are pagan" as unbelievably dishonest. For starters even if one were to quote pagans who hold to some form of national selection or evolution one must prove beyond doubt that Darwin had contact with those pagans. And, is accused by those pagan of copying them. The same fallacy you are using is just like those who claim that Jesus is a copycat of pagan gods and pagan religions. Neither statement is true. Both falls under the same problems of proof.

So, if you want to make such a poor claim --- prove it by proving that both Darwin and pagans say the same exact things. Then prove where Darwin had direct contact with the pagans themselves. Then prove where the pagans claim that Darwin copied his ideas from them. Otherwise whoever makes that claim "the origins of evolution are pagan" is intellectually dishonest and should be flushed down the latrine where it belongs.

"his academic pursuits at Cambridge University began at Christ’s College, where he was studying for the clergy. When Capt. Robert FitzRoy invited Charles Darwin to join the second South American tour of the H.M.S. Beagle, Darwin’s father and sisters feared this would disrupt his career plans in the church " https://www.explorationfilmsblog.com/post/3488534656/parson-or-pagan-unwrapping-darwins-religious

 

[TheLearner]

You seem to be rather confused (hence "TheLearner"?). On one hand you seem to be promoting plenary verbal inspiration (which is true) and on the other hand you made this nonsensical statement "for people to fill in". Well, you can't have it both ways.

Plenary verbal inspiration means that each and every word in the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts was a word from God (even though written by men). And the doctrine of divine preservation says that God preserved those words through faithful scribes and copyists, as well as a multitude of copies, extending from the 2nd to the 14th century (after which printed copies became available).

The best example of divine preservation is a comparison of the Isaiah scroll from the Dead Sea Scrolls (dating back to about 200 BC) and the Leningrad Codex (the Masoretic Text dated from around 1008 AD). That is a gap of 1,200 years, yet the two manuscripts are almost identical. Why? Because the Jewish scribes made METICULOUS copies of their Scriptures from the time of Moses. And this also applies to the New Testament, which is found in thousands of copies, the majority of which represent the true text of the NT.

My statements are refuting dictational inspiration which is what satan does in sources like the Book of Mormon and the Koran.

 

[TheLearner]

[QUOTE="OrphanedRepublican, [/QUOTE]

1. Romans 1:1
   Greetings from Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus. God chose me to be an apostle and gave me the work of telling his 1 Corinthians 1:1
2. Greetings from Paul. I was chosen to be an apostle of Christ Jesus. God chose me because that is what he wanted. 2 Corinthians 1:1
3. Greetings from Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus. I am an apostle because that is what God wanted. Greetings also Galatians 1:1
4. Greetings from Paul, an apostle. I was chosen to be an apostle, but not by any group or person here on earth. My Ephesians 1:1
5. Greetings from Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus. I am an apostle because that is what God wanted. To God’s holy Philippians 1:1
6. Greetings from Paul and Timothy, servants of Jesus Christ. To all of you in Philippi who are God’s holy people in Christ Colossians 1:1
7. Greetings from Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus. I am an apostle because that is what God wanted. Greetings also 1 Thessalonians 1:1
8. Greetings from Paul, Silas, and Timothy. To the church of those in Thessalonica, who are in God the Father and the 2 Thessalonians 1:1
9. Greetings from Paul, Silas, and Timothy. To the church of those in Thessalonica, who are in God our Father and the 1 Timothy 1:1
10. Greetings from Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus. I am an apostle by the command of God our Savior and Christ Jesus 2 Timothy 1:1
11. Greetings from Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus. I am an apostle because God wanted me to be. God sent me to tell Titus 1:1
12. Greetings from Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ. I was sent to help God’s chosen people have Philemon 1:1
13. Greetings from Paul, a prisoner for Jesus Christ, and from Timothy, our brother. To Philemon, our dear friend and

Luke 1
Easy-to-Read Version
Luke Writes About the Life of Jesus
1 Most Honorable Theophilus:
Many others have tried to give a report of the things that happened among us to complete God’s plan. 2 What they have written agrees with what we learned from the people who saw those events from the beginning. They also served God by telling people his message. 3 I studied it all carefully from the beginning. Then I decided to write it down for you in an organized way. 4 I did this so that you can be sure that what you have been taught is true.
Acts 1
Luke Writes Another Book
1 Dear Theophilus,
The first book I wrote was about everything Jesus did and taught from the beginning 2 until the day he was carried up into heaven.
James 1
1 Greetings from James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Jude
1 Greetings from Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and a brother of James.
1 Peter 1
Greetings from Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ. To God’s chosen people who are away from their homes—people scattered 2 Peter 1:1
Greetings from Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ. To all of you who share in the same valuable faith that Revelation 1
John Tells About This Book
1 This is a revelation[a] from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must happen soon. And Christ sent his angel to show it to his servant John, 2 who has told everything he saw. It is the truth that Jesus Christ told him; it is the message from God. 3 Great blessings belong to the person who reads the words of this message from God and to those who hear this message and do what is written in it. There is not much time left.
John Writes to the Churches
4 From John,
To the seven churches in the province of Asia:

Yes

 

[TheLearner]

and this verse

1 Corinthians 7:12
But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away

Clearly says paul is giving his opinion. The Letters in the NT where written by people who were taught by Jesus. They were not being dictated to about what to say or how to say it.

 

[TheLearner]

I agree. I believe we can trust the whole body of scriptures as divine and authoritative.

I only avoid what textual critics have doubts about like the long ending of Mark. There are many other verses that say the same things. When in discussion about the Trinity for example I do not use the johannine comma when there is an outline on the Trinity online that gives many Scriptures that supports the Trinity doctrine.

 

[Dino246]

Hi Dino, I do not believe in evolution at all. But, to be intellectually honest I find your claim that "the origins of evolution are pagan" as unbelievably dishonest. For starters even if one were to quote pagans who hold to some form of national selection or evolution one must prove beyond doubt that Darwin had contact with those pagans. And, is accused by those pagan of copying them. The same fallacy you are using is just like those who claim that Jesus is a copycat of pagan gods and pagan religions. Neither statement is true. Both falls under the same problems of proof.

So, if you want to make such a poor claim --- prove it by proving that both Darwin and pagans say the same exact things. Then prove where Darwin had direct contact with the pagans themselves. Then prove where the pagans claim that Darwin copied his ideas from them. Otherwise whoever makes that claim "the origins of evolution are pagan" is intellectually dishonest and should be flushed down the latrine where it belongs.

"his academic pursuits at Cambridge University began at Christ’s College, where he was studying for the clergy. When Capt. Robert FitzRoy invited Charles Darwin to join the second South American tour of the H.M.S. Beagle, Darwin’s father and sisters feared this would disrupt his career plans in the church " https://www.explorationfilmsblog.com/post/3488534656/parson-or-pagan-unwrapping-darwins-religious

I'm surprised at your unbelief, and your accusation. I said nothing about Darwin, but he is not the originator of the idea; merely its promoter. I can't find the video that details the linkage, but it's out there somewhere. In short, the link is through Darwin's uncle Erasmus, back through the secret societies of the 1700's, all the way back to pagan Greek ideas.

 

[Dino246]

Hi Dino, I do not believe in evolution at all. But, to be intellectually honest I find your claim that "the origins of evolution are pagan" as unbelievably dishonest. For starters even if one were to quote pagans who hold to some form of national selection or evolution one must prove beyond doubt that Darwin had contact with those pagans. And, is accused by those pagan of copying them. The same fallacy you are using is just like those who claim that Jesus is a copycat of pagan gods and pagan religions. Neither statement is true. Both falls under the same problems of proof.

I found the video... it's just under 70 minutes long, and provides the evidence you "requested".

 

[wattie]

Scripture often needs to be enhanced by studying culture, history and customs of the times each book was written.

Yeah, that would be the 'occasion'

I agree

 

[wattie]

I agree with the Scripture interpreting itself.

However, Jesus talking to the Pharisees is for our benefit. Nothing the Lord said to them saved them or made any difference. In fact, the entire faith is still very much based on their legalisms, if you will.

You can certainly say much the same thing of our churches. They come up with creeds and doctrines (all based on scripture of course) and some churches write a lot of governing laws and observances based on the scriptures. And of course, theologians and apologists write tirelessly on interpretations of which they teach.

God talks about "religious activity" in Micah Chapter 7 which may well hint a bit about the verses cited below.

I love robust spiritual discussion and never expect everyone to agree about anything. Jesus never said he brought peace to the world.

Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

Not only do I expect division of opinion, but sharp acrimony as well as this subject brings out the best or worst of all of us.

Yeah, this is true. This case, I hadn't isolated a particular part of scripture. Not the best example.

Just trying to say that often a personal interpretation is applied to a situation when that situation isn't in the passage they are drawing from.

For eg.. Matthew 18:20- where two or three are gathered, there are I am in the midst of them.. the chapter is primarily about conflict resolution, dealing with sin issues, in a local church context. It does have other application, but it's that local church context. Many will apply it to two or three christians gathered anywhere for any purpose.

 

[OrphanedRepublican]

Clearly says paul is giving his opinion. The Letters in the NT where written by people who were taught by Jesus. They were not being dictated to about what to say or how to say it.

Do you remember what Jesus said to his disciples when he sent them out? He warned them about the perils ahead and when the time came, for them not to worry what to answer because the words would be given them in that same hour. Matthew 10:19-20.

Now the verse that we are given to demonstrate that Paul spoke of his own thoughts, not the Lord's, does mean that God must be bound by the statement if He permits it to be in His scriptures. We accept the words from Paul or any disciple as gospel truth because we believe the words come from Jesus. And he always takes credit for. He gives no man credit for any of the commandments or precepts in His Scriptures. I wouldn't call anything Paul says to be his own thoughts or words because God's word is righteous and Paul isn't.

I'm not going to get hung up on semantics. Paul spoke as the spirit moved him. If the spirit allowed him to say his own words and his own thoughts, then God was fully consented in those thoughts such that He is bound by them.

 

[soberxp]

One of the views I heard about evolution is that Darwin's theory of evolution does not mention that man evolved from apes, but more because people guess that man evolved from monkeys after reading this book