The King James Only Debate
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In sharp contrast, you have simply surrendered all authority to a group of 17th-century translators.
Actually, I have surrendered to God and His promise to preserve His words for us. I have found this preservation in the KJV.
And others have found it in other English and non-English translations on in another Greek textual family.
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When I use many translations and choose which one sounds better to me I am not allowing the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth like Jesus said He would on John 14:26 & 16:13. If I get stuck on a verse I pray over that verse, not pick and choose which is more "accurate" or "right" to me. It is God that reveals truth, not our picking and choosing which decides it. Believe me I use to use no less than ten translations every time I attended bible study, but many times left more confused then when I came because of all the counterfeit translations. If everyone who professes the Name of Jesus prayed, studied and understood John 14-17 there would be one denomination and one bible translation.
This is a very important issue because I believe many people are leaving off Christianity because so many people are picking and choosing their own private interpretation they find throughout many different translations, which most of the time cannot be proven from one translation alone. We pick a verse from the KJV and another verse from the NASB, NIV, NLB...ETC. One major issue is when I try to find chain references which the KJV flows with the "modern" translations do not have them. I personally get offended when I am sitting in on a sermon and the pastor says to read along and starts reading from a foreign translation my mind goes somewhere else and I lose the blessing the Lord was trying to bestow. When that happens the translation might as well be in swahili because how can anybody understand, or keep their mind trained on a subject when all of a sudden everything shifts into confusion, and that is what happens when three or four people all read the same verse from different translations at the same time. Same principle.
Not as per the testimonies on this board. They all claim whatever Bible they use has errors. That's not the word of God. The word of God does not contain errors.
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AWESOME! God the creator of the universe gave us His word. Satan has attacked it in every way, but God has protected it throughout all satan's attacks. To presume that God is not powerful enough to protect His word, by using our own finite understanding to interpret it instead of His Comforter to "reveal" it to us is putting us in the Comforter's place. Personally my understanding is far to inferior to God's for my to rely on it.
I choose the KJV only because it has served Christianity well for 400 years, and even before that when the waldenseans, hugenots, albigemses, all were heavily persecuted while they were the chosen to bring the true textus receptus to us in our time. The ultra corrupt westcott and hort manuscripts are satan"s tools to water down the word of God and remove the Comforter's job of revealing truth to us. William Tyndale translated the greatest bible ever written, most scholars admit that. He translated from the received text, the majority manuscripts. The dead sea scrolls even agree with the textus receptus.
Using ten translations is really an extreme.
To reduce the number to only one is another extreme.
The reason for comparing more translations is not to "choose the one I like the most", but to get the information about other possible ways of translation.
so John146 my man,
when you say that God will preserve his word from this generation for ever, do you mean that there has always been a document which is an exact record of what God has said, or a perfect translation of it, up to that point?
Actually their testimony is something different - that they have found the word of God even though the physical books they hold in hands have errors.
I agree with this (in bold). I find it disappointing that other KJV-only proponents call this "being the final authority on what the text says".
This is speculative, and is a pleasant way to argue for one translation without doing any actual research to substantiate the viewpoint. Perhaps you could provide some real data (or even a single example) to support your belief.
I'm seeing a connection there.
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Very well put. The reason I say "I believe" means that this is just an opinion. I don't think I can find any graphs or statistics to prove that people are leaving churches over translations, but I do know, that one of the main reasons people are leaving church is because of the word being watered down. I just goggled it and there are plenty of pages and articles to show this. I believe that one of the major ways to water down the gospel is to tamper with translations and get people to argue which is correct. This will drive a wedge into any efforts to unite. Jesus is waiting for His church, NOT churches to unite like the disciples did on pentecost. When Jesus ascended the disciples were arguing who will be the greatest, but after ten days in the upper room they prayed, and confessed their faults one to another and their sins to God and came into such unity that is foreign to Christianity today. This unity Paul mentions in 1Corinthians:1:10: "Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment." I just do not see this unity happening when we have so much diversity in translations, especially the new 2011 NIV counterfeit translation that has deleted 17 verses from the new testament and perverted thousands of verses throughout. I cannot understand how people can support a translation that has been updated twice since its inception in the 70s. Maybe I am a little harsh on the NASB, but still there are differences that people use in these two KJV NASB which cause division in important doctrines.
God bless your studies
That's not what the Scripture says. It merely states that God will preserve His words for all generations. Somewhere on earth has always been His preserved words.
It is quite logical that it was in the Church. Because its the purpose of His words given to us. To be used.
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I take great courage in knowing that God used finite feeble erring men to write the bible. He can use you and I to do His work too. Remember that Moses David and Paul were all murderers. They were the most prominent popular personages in the bible. What many fail to realize is what Paul writes in 1Corinthians:1:27: "But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;" I will gladly be a fool for Christ. Far too many will only believe it because the pastor, or theologian scholar said it. ALL professed Christians should be scholars if we are following biblical advice to study to show ourselves approved unto God.
God's word has been protected throughout time, in the form of the most accurate, non tampered with manuscripts transcribed over and over by the masorites who were very meticulous. Man has done His part in protecting these and God has, as always provided the ample protection for it to happen. Just like our walk with the Lord. Even though there is nothing we can do to earn salvation we still must do whatever we are convicted by the Comforter to do and leave the rest with God knowing by faith He will provide the strength needed to complete any task. Another principle many overlook or forget is the fact that for every truth in the bible satan has a counterfeit. This goes for translations also.
God bless your studies
OK, so starting with the first generation, Adam and Eve, they had God's preserved words. Do you believe they were written down then?
Masorets were not Christians, but unbelieving Jews. No reason why would God preserve His Word by them. And He did not. Just compare NT quotations from the OT with your "precise" masoretic OT.
Dead Sea Scrolls show many contradictions to masoretic texts, too.
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I believe the masoretes come along about 500 AD.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masoretes
I also think it's interesting that a book of the law was found in Josiah's days, and Josiah seems unfamiliar with it.
2 KINGS 22:8 Hilkiah the high priest said to Shaphan the secretary, "I have found the Book of the Law in the temple of the LORD." He gave it to Shaphan, who read it.
2 KINGS 22:11 When the king heard the words of the Book of the Law, he tore his robes.
Let us put their perfection to the test:
2S 10:18
And the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew seven hundred chariots of
the Syrians, and forty thousand horsemen, and smote Shobach the captain of their host,
who died there.
1 Chr 19:18
But the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew of the Syrians seven thousandchariots, and forty thousand footmen, and killed Shophach the captain
of the host.
Ups, KJV failed the test of perfect preservation again
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