The Lord Jesus and His Holy Scriptures are One (The Scripture Personified) Pt. 1 & 2

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ChosenbyHim

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Oh, ok.............this is a KJV ONLY Thread...........ok............

Now, while I love my KJV, I ALSO enjoy reading the CJB and find it is very close to the KJV and the two do a good job of educating me. BUT, THE REAL POWER ONE NEEDS TO FULLY AND CORRECTLY UNDERSTAND SCRIPTURE IS THE INDWELLING PRESENCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT!!!!!!!!!!!!

For, without Him, folks just be reading............

Well P_rehbein, the Holy Spirit is the very author of the Holy Scripture. And I believe that the Holy Spirit will lead us to the right Bible. Indeed, the Holy Spirit gives us understanding and we receive illumination from Him. It is crucial that we have the right Bible. That way we can grow in our faith and be made complete and perfect (2 Timothy 3:16).
 

CS1

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Well brethren, after these two videos are posted. I plan to post 2 more video teachings also after this. And I am simply posting these other messages to make sure I am continuing to do my part in sharing with you all on here the truth on this very important matter. For those who have hardened your heart regarding this matter, I do pray that God will lead you to repentance. And that you will return back to His blessed and authoritative word, the King James Holy Scripture. In addition, after this, All I can do is encourage and exhort you to take the time to watch and listen to them. And for those of you that have already made up your mind to not to even watch them, well then that's on you. I cannot persuade you to do otherwise. Only the Lord God can open your eyes to His word, the blessed King James Holy Bible.


Video Description:

In this video series, we will be looking at a very unique subject and that is by far one of the most important subject matters out there. Since it is a subject that deals with the blessed and wonderful Lord Jesus Christ and the relationship, unity and oneness which He has with His word, the holy Scriptures. And how they are in fact one and the same. Make sure to follow along in your King James Bibles as we go through this important study together.

anytime one starts a video teaching to present to everyone in a thread and try's to establish moral superiority by telling " us" all as they assume we have "hardened your heart" and they are praying we will be led into repentance because of the over whelming revelation in the video will cause us to do so, IF don't harden our heart. These king James only types are foolish and ridicules.

The dude in the video what his name ? where did he get his over whelming teaching from or by who? How is it he can dismiss so many "So-called Theologians" ? FYI Guy, the KJV did not save us Jesus Did.

What are we to place a KJV Bible up on the shelve next to the Picture of Jesus done by Leonardo De Vinci ?

You are eliciting. Please show me well I am to worship the word of God?

We are to obey HIS word and Worship HIM. FYI The KJV is not the word of God Jesus is the " WORD" Jesus did not have a KJV, He used most likely the Septuagint.

next you're going tell us a NIV pre 1984 is of the devil. what a joke. Give us your opinion leave out the guilt trip and condemnation.
 

CS1

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And a dumb ass at that lol.

2Pe_2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
you call names then try to clean it up with the word of God ? You don't make a biblical point by insulting. Your the type who will use foul language when you are mad then think as long as you ask the person to forgive it is ok , then do it again. Wrong.
 

ChosenbyHim

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Greetings Dan, thank you. Nice to meet you as well.


I'm not much of a video watcher,


but,

if you'd like to have an edifying, respectful discussion about Bible versions, I'm all in!

Of course, I am all for civil, respectful and edifying conversations and discussions regarding this very important issue of our day, regarding Bible versions.


one thing I learned about the KJV a while back,


is that it isn't public domain all over the world.


the Queen of England holds the "copyright" in the UK.


now, this is just my opinion here,


but it seems strange that God would inspire a version and then give a single human that much control over it.

Well, I am aware that there is a crown copy right for the KJV In England. And concerning this Crown copyright, I do think it is quite interesting that it was often considered to be perpetual. However though, as you are already aware, The KJV is classed internationally as public domain, since it is in the Public Domain in the U.S., as well as most other countries in the world.


Also Dan, the queen of England does not have any control over the King James Holy Bible, since it is not bound (2 Timothy 2:9).


Plus, just considering that it is estimated that well over 6 billion copies of the King James Bible have been published since 1611, is absolutely incredible!
 

ChosenbyHim

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When I was trying to become a Christian, I couldn't understand the KJV well enough to see what the gospel really is. I had no idea what it was about because the way it reads isn't modern. The learning curve was akin to learning a second language. I finally got it once I switched to the NIV. Had I not been determined and thirsting for God, I may have given up. Thank God for the NIV.

So I can't really recommend the KJV to new Christians. When one is ready to take on learning an unnatural sounding sentence structure and learning uncommon English words then the KJV is certainly one of the most, if not the single most, accurate translation written in English.
Runningman, the KJB is really not that hard to read as you and others (like Angela) on here claim. Here is why, just consider some of the following information from Sister Gail Riplinger’s book “The Language of the King James Bible:


People have been conned with the lie that the new versions are much easier to understand. I've heard many times, "The King James is too hard to understand."

But the facts tell a different story. . .

Gail Riplinger has a chapter in her best-selling New Age Bible Versions titled "King James for Kids". Mrs. Riplinger provides 23 pages of irrefutable evidence proving the King James Bible is far easier to understand and read. She lists over 350 examples in the New Testament where the King James Bible is much easier and simpler to understand.

In comparing the first chapter of the first and last books of the Old and New Testaments, the Flesch-Kincaid research company’s Grade Level Indicator shows "The KJV ranks easier in 23 out of 26 comparisons" (Riplinger, New Age Bible Versions, 1994, p. 195) betrays the strictly




Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level Indicator




KJV
Grade
LevelNIV
Grade
LevelNASB
Grade
LevelTEV
Grade
LevelNKJV
Grade
Level




Gen. 1
4.45.14.75.15.2​



Mal. 1
4.64.85.15.44.6​



Matt. 1
6.716.46.811.810.3​



Rev. 1
7.57.17.76.47.7​



Grade
Level
Average5.88.46.17.26.9




(table from New Age Bible Versions, p. 196, highlight added)
Mrs. Riplinger writes:
"Why is the KJV easier to read? The KJV uses one or two syllable words while new versions substitute complex multi-syllable words and phrases." (Ibid, p. 196) She lists over 270 examples in the New Testament. Mrs. Riplinger also attributes the King James’s ease of understanding to "Simple sentence structure. . .." (Ibid, p. 204) She again lists many examples.
In her book, The Language of the King James Bible, Mrs Riplinger continues her research in the readability of the King James Bible. Mrs. Riplinger documents under the subtitle "Statistical Verification of Readability":
"Readability statistics generated from Grammatik and Word for Windows show why the KJV is 5th grade reading level, while the NKJV and NASB are 6th grade, and the NIV is 8th grade reading level! The KJV averages:
  • less syllables per word
  • less letters per word
  • less words per sentence
  • smaller percentage of long words
  • greater percentage of short words than the NKJV, NIV, NASB and NRSV
According to readability statistics generated by Pro-Scribe, the KJV is easier to read than USA Today, People Magazine and most children’s books."
(Riplinger, The Language of the King James Bible, p. 159​




Readability Analysis of Writing Samples




TEXTGradeSyllables
Per WordWords over
9 Letters




USA Today91.510%



People Magazine81.510%



Children's Books71.38%



King James Bible, New Testament71.33%

(table from The Language of the King James Bible, p 159, highlight added)
 
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Runningman, the KJB is really not that hard to read as you and others (like Angela) on here claim. Here is why, just consider some of the following information from Sister Gail Riplinger’s book “The Language of the King James Bible:


People have been conned with the lie that the new versions are much easier to understand. I've heard many times, "The King James is too hard to understand."

But the facts tell a different story. . .

Gail Riplinger has a chapter in her best-selling New Age Bible Versions titled "King James for Kids". Mrs. Riplinger provides 23 pages of irrefutable evidence proving the King James Bible is far easier to understand and read. She lists over 350 examples in the New Testament where the King James Bible is much easier and simpler to understand.

In comparing the first chapter of the first and last books of the Old and New Testaments, the Flesch-Kincaid research company’s Grade Level Indicator shows "The KJV ranks easier in 23 out of 26 comparisons" (Riplinger, New Age Bible Versions, 1994, p. 195) betrays the strictly




Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level Indicator




KJV
Grade
LevelNIV
Grade
LevelNASB
Grade
LevelTEV
Grade
LevelNKJV
Grade
Level





Gen. 1
4.45.14.75.15.2​




Mal. 1
4.64.85.15.44.6​




Matt. 1
6.716.46.811.810.3​




Rev. 1
7.57.17.76.47.7​




Grade
Level
Average5.88.46.17.26.9





(table from New Age Bible Versions, p. 196, highlight added)
Mrs. Riplinger writes:
"Why is the KJV easier to read? The KJV uses one or two syllable words while new versions substitute complex multi-syllable words and phrases." (Ibid, p. 196) She lists over 270 examples in the New Testament. Mrs. Riplinger also attributes the King James’s ease of understanding to "Simple sentence structure. . .." (Ibid, p. 204) She again lists many examples.​
In her book, The Language of the King James Bible, Mrs Riplinger continues her research in the readability of the King James Bible. Mrs. Riplinger documents under the subtitle "Statistical Verification of Readability":
"Readability statistics generated from Grammatik and Word for Windows show why the KJV is 5th grade reading level, while the NKJV and NASB are 6th grade, and the NIV is 8th grade reading level! The KJV averages:​
  • less syllables per word
  • less letters per word
  • less words per sentence
  • smaller percentage of long words
  • greater percentage of short words than the NKJV, NIV, NASB and NRSV

According to readability statistics generated by Pro-Scribe, the KJV is easier to read than USA Today, People Magazine and most children’s books."​
(Riplinger, The Language of the King James Bible, p. 159​




Readability Analysis of Writing Samples




TEXTGradeSyllables
Per WordWords over
9 Letters




USA Today91.510%



People Magazine81.510%



Children's Books71.38%



King James Bible, New Testament71.33%

(table from The Language of the King James Bible, p 159, highlight added)
That's informative and thank you for that. I wasn't raised with a lot of exposure to the KJV Bible. By the time I started reading it I was
 
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That's informative and thank you for that. I wasn't raised with a lot of exposure to the KJV Bible. By the time I started reading it I was
@ChosenbyHim

By the time I started reading it I was well into my teenage years. Biggest road blocks weren't average number of syllables per word, letters per word, or words per sentence. More like just regular usage of uncommon words and forms of speech. So you could say the overall reading comprehension was lost in translation for me. I remember reading a chapter and not being able to confidently articulate what I had just read.
 
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you call names then try to clean it up with the word of God ? You don't make a biblical point by insulting. Your the type who will use foul language when you are mad then think as long as you ask the person to forgive it is ok , then do it again. Wrong.
I'm certainly not near the Christian that you think you are. I'm more like Peter and Paul, men who did the things they didn't want to do and didn't do the things they want to do... You know, real Christians who realize that they are not perfect.
 

fredoheaven

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Runningman, the KJB is really not that hard to read as you and others (like Angela) on here claim. Here is why, just consider some of the following information from Sister Gail Riplinger’s book “The Language of the King James Bible:


People have been conned with the lie that the new versions are much easier to understand. I've heard many times, "The King James is too hard to understand."

But the facts tell a different story. . .

Gail Riplinger has a chapter in her best-selling New Age Bible Versions titled "King James for Kids". Mrs. Riplinger provides 23 pages of irrefutable evidence proving the King James Bible is far easier to understand and read. She lists over 350 examples in the New Testament where the King James Bible is much easier and simpler to understand.

In comparing the first chapter of the first and last books of the Old and New Testaments, the Flesch-Kincaid research company’s Grade Level Indicator shows "The KJV ranks easier in 23 out of 26 comparisons" (Riplinger, New Age Bible Versions, 1994, p. 195) betrays the strictly




Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level Indicator




KJV
Grade
LevelNIV
Grade
LevelNASB
Grade
LevelTEV
Grade
LevelNKJV
Grade
Level





Gen. 1
4.45.14.75.15.2​




Mal. 1
4.64.85.15.44.6​




Matt. 1
6.716.46.811.810.3​




Rev. 1
7.57.17.76.47.7​




Grade
Level
Average5.88.46.17.26.9





(table from New Age Bible Versions, p. 196, highlight added)
Mrs. Riplinger writes:
"Why is the KJV easier to read? The KJV uses one or two syllable words while new versions substitute complex multi-syllable words and phrases." (Ibid, p. 196) She lists over 270 examples in the New Testament. Mrs. Riplinger also attributes the King James’s ease of understanding to "Simple sentence structure. . .." (Ibid, p. 204) She again lists many examples.​
In her book, The Language of the King James Bible, Mrs Riplinger continues her research in the readability of the King James Bible. Mrs. Riplinger documents under the subtitle "Statistical Verification of Readability":
"Readability statistics generated from Grammatik and Word for Windows show why the KJV is 5th grade reading level, while the NKJV and NASB are 6th grade, and the NIV is 8th grade reading level! The KJV averages:​
  • less syllables per word
  • less letters per word
  • less words per sentence
  • smaller percentage of long words
  • greater percentage of short words than the NKJV, NIV, NASB and NRSV

According to readability statistics generated by Pro-Scribe, the KJV is easier to read than USA Today, People Magazine and most children’s books."​
(Riplinger, The Language of the King James Bible, p. 159​




Readability Analysis of Writing Samples




TEXTGradeSyllables
Per WordWords over
9 Letters




USA Today91.510%



People Magazine81.510%



Children's Books71.38%



King James Bible, New Testament71.33%

(table from The Language of the King James Bible, p 159, highlight added)
You can also use many grading level in the internet. God bless
 

posthuman

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#31
go on unto perfection and to have complete faith and trust in the blessed King James Holy Bible.
i feel like there's something wrong with a Christian if this phrase doesn't throw up a red flag.
 

Dino246

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Runningman, the KJB is really not that hard to read as you and others (like Angela) on here claim. Here is why, just consider some of the following information from Sister Gail Riplinger’s book “The Language of the King James Bible:
Thanks for revealing your complete lack of credibility.
 

Dino246

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CS1, I understand that you believe that know that God is perfect. But how is it sir that you will not take the next logical step to understand that since God is perfect, that His word also must be perfect and infallible?

It is, in the original writings. Translation necessarily de-perfects His word because perfect translation is impossible.

Well CS1, I am glad that you at least have some trust in the King James Bible. But what I would encourage and exhort you to do sir, is to go on unto perfection and to have complete faith and trust in the blessed King James Holy Bible.
Like I said... thanks for demonstrating that you have no credibility. You're a cultist.
 

Dan_473

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Well, I am aware that there is a crown copy right for the KJV In England. And concerning this Crown copyright, I do think it is quite interesting that it was often considered to be perpetual. However though, as you are already aware, The KJV is classed internationally as public domain, since it is in the Public Domain in the U.S., as well as most other countries in the world.
yes, it is generally considered public domain internationally.
but, if you wish to legally print it in the UK, I believe you have to get permission.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread106626/pg1

considering that at its height, the British empire covered about 1/4 of the world,
that was a lot of area affected by this situation.

compare that situation to the
World English Bible.
it has been explicitly public domain from the very beginning.
this is one reason I frequently use it when quoting scriptures here on Christian chat.
(the title is trademarked, but you can do whatever you want with the text.)
myself, I disagree with its use of "Yahweh" for the Divine name.
but no problem, the New Heart English Bible is the same thing, with "the LORD" as the Divine name.
(KJV follows this practice as well.)

Also Dan, the queen of England does not have any control over the King James Holy Bible, since it is not bound (2 Timothy 2:9).
7. Consider what I say, and may the Lord give you understanding in all things.
8. Remember Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, of the seed of David, according to my Good News,
9. in which I suffer hardship to the point of chains as a criminal. But God`s word isn`t chained.
(2 Timothy, 2)

I agree that humans don't have the power to limit God's word.

10. For as the rain comes down and the snow from the sky, and doesn`t return there, but waters the earth, and makes it bring forth and bud, and gives seed to the sower and bread to the eater;
11. so shall my word be that goes forth out of my mouth: it shall not return to me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing I sent it to do.
(Isaiah, 55)

but this simply brings the question:
are the phrases
God's word
or
the word of God
synonymous with the kjv?

1. Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of the region of Ituraea and Trachonitis, and Lysanias tetrarch of Abilene,
2. in the high priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas, the word of God came to John, the son of Zacharias, in the wilderness.
(Luke, 3)

did the KJV come to John in the wilderness?
did the entire Bible we have today come to him?

Plus, just considering that it is estimated that well over 6 billion copies of the King James Bible have been published since 1611, is absolutely incredible!
it is incredible!

at the same time, I think there are issues of history involved.

that's probably more copies that have been printed of Martin Luther's Bible.
but then, the British empire was a lot bigger than the German empire.

***************
big picture:
is the KJV, word for word, God's word?

if so, why?
 

Dino246

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but this simply brings the question:
are the phrases
God's word
or
the word of God
synonymous with the kjv?

1. Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of the region of Ituraea and Trachonitis, and Lysanias tetrarch of Abilene,
2. in the high priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas, the word of God came to John, the son of Zacharias, in the wilderness.
(Luke, 3)

did the KJV come to John in the wilderness?
did the entire Bible we have today come to him?
You hit the nail right on the head! :)
 

Chester

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There's not a verse for that. You have to read the whole book multiple times to come to that understanding.
I have read the book multiple times and did not come to that understanding. But each one is allowed his own opinion . . .
 
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I have read the book multiple times and did not come to that understanding. But each one is allowed his own opinion . . .
Well I guess you’re like a Freemason who’s read Morals Dogma multiple times and still
doesn’t know what the secret of Freemasonry is.
 

Chester

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Well I guess you’re like a Freemason who’s read Morals Dogma multiple times and still
doesn’t know what the secret of Freemasonry is.
Oh?? !! Let me suggest you learn to read Hebrew and Greek, and then read the text in those languages. Then you may find that the KJV only emphasis is not even needed . . . !!:eek:;)