I do not know the correlation between your argument and the context we talking about.
The Mahdi is the Antichrist
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I do not know the correlation between your argument and the context we talking about.
Doesnt allah claim to be God. Didnt. Muhammed proclaim his divinity and set up a shrine on the temple site which is still there to this day.
As far as I know pope doesnt actually claim to be God. Hes just a man and anyone can see he doesnt have special powers. He doesnt do any miracles and never claims he ascended to heaven, unlike muhammed.
Allah is not human, antichrist is human
Mohhamad not claim to be God, he claim to be prophet.
And mohammad not went out from us
John say antichrist went out from us
Pope claim to be god, read this link
https://radio7.interamerica.org/uploaded_assets/83592
A little different. They went out from us because they were not of or from us is of a certain kind of us a principle as a law. .
1. It would seem to represent any nation that did not understand the spiritual matters found the book of the law, the Bible. It is common to see that in the scripture men walking away because they were not given the kind of understanding by which they could believe .It is thee gift of God that we can believe His Eternal Spirit.. It is not of ourselves. . .but more how can we hear God as we do seek His approval according to His loving commandment to study to show oneself approved unto our Father in heaven .
Much controversy in how we hear the understanding of the "us" that went out from "us". Who are the us? What makes them the us?
I have done some research on what I would call the "us doctrine" . I beleive it has some interesting conclusions , again in aiding how we can hear our father not seen in a hope of being the kind of "us" on the right path..
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So you believe us in this verse is doctrine? Wich doctrine?
Let look dictionary what us mean
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So you believe us in this verse is doctrine? Wich doctrine?
Let look dictionary what us mean
us
/əs/
pronoun
- 1.
used by a speaker to refer to himself or herself and one or more other people as the object of a verb or preposition.
"let us know" - 2.
INFORMAL
me.
"give us a kiss"
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I call it doctrine because it is loosed from heaven. Kiss, seems to be defined as short abrupted contact . Like the commandment. . . kiss the Son or die. . . . Beleive God or die without him. The gospel call giving us ears to hear what he says to the denominations, churches. .
Psalm 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him
A good place I would offer to find the understanding of "us" as those heard on high (faith) is found in Mark and Luke 9 's account. I prefer Luke but Mark the other witness do support each other to give us what I call spiritual understanding. This is according to my opinion .
The Son of man Jesus continuing in his earthly teaching ministry was aiding them in how they could hear the gospel hid from natural man who has no spiritual understanding as the things of God. He spoke in parables to help them understand the signified language .
Even after the glorious vision they still understood not.
When Jesus again and again he spoke in a parable hidding the understanding. Using even other parables to teach how to hear saying . . . be child like in trust but not childish in understanding . They would every time the meaning was hid play "who is the greatest" as if Jesus vanished..... reverting back to walking by sight. Jesus defined the "us" as to who walks with who ? he that is not against "us" (unseen) is for us verse 49 and 50.
Three times they denied the understanding verse 55 he rebuked them and revealed they were not walking by faith the right manner of spirit as the understanding of the parables. They are the us that are not against us. The church made up of many lively stones that make up the spiritual unseen house of God the church.
And Jesus answering said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you, and suffer you? Bring thy son hither. And as he was yet a coming, the devil threw him down, and tare him. And Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit, and healed the child, and delivered him again to his father. And they were all amazed at the mighty power of God. But while they wondered every one at all things which Jesus did, he said unto his disciples, Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men. But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying. Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be greatest. And Jesus, perceiving the thought of their heart, took a child, and set him by him, And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against "us" is for "us".And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem, And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. Mark 9:41 -55
Let quote the verse one more time
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming,even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
If you say us in this verse is doctrine than
They went out from doctrine
There are million of doctrine
Than this verse meaningless
No offence but 2nd Thessalonians does not say that he comes out of Apostate Christianity.....and for the third time....Daniel 10 and 11 states clearly where he comes from....you, as well as the others, take the time to actually read it.........He comes out of what ALEXANDER CONQUERED, THEN DIVIDED BY HIS GENERALS AND THEN FOUGHT OVER BY THE KINGS OF THE NORTH AND SOUTH........
Er...its obvious the Pope is not God. If he claims to be God, well he's in for a surprise because if he thinks he's God then he would be able to do so much more than what hes doing now, which isnt much.
Am not trying to argue with you but it also says in scripture that there are MANY antichrists. Not just one. THEY went out from us. More than one person. Not he went out from us.
So its rather silly to pin it on one person.
Am not trying to argue with you but it also says in scripture that there are MANY antichrists. Not just one. THEY went out from us. More than one person. Not he went out from us.
So its rather silly to pin it on one person.
don't forget the rest of the scripture
1 John 2:18-19 (KJV)
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
The antichrist comes from within the church, but was never truly one of us.
Antichrist is not one person and exist since apostle John.
But bible never Lie, all antichrist must went out from us. 1 John 2
Then in the end time, one of the antichrist claim himself to be God and rule the world for 7 years.
Is that mean only one antichrist claim to be God?
I don't think so. Some pope claim to be God.
Claim to be doesn't he is God. Only claim to be.
Was every antichrist that claim to be God rule the world?
No
Only one and happen about 7 years before second coming (rev 13)
So, Yes antichrist not only one, but according to John antichrist went out from us,
To me It mean all antichrist went out from us
Not some from Buddhist, some from muslim etc
If we say some antichrist come fro muslim, than we not agree with John.
Bible give us some specification of antichrist, not only one specification
Antichrist must went out from us
Pretend to be God
Etc.
Only reject Jesus not qualifide to be antichrist
Only pretend to be God not qualifide to be antichrist
Pope is not God, but some of them declair as
Oh ok but also, muhammed proclaimed allah to be God just saying.
Its quite different from the pope claiming to be God. Cos anyone can see that hes not. Why would anyone believe the pope? He didnt create the universe. You also need to explain why then is the dome of the rock built over the temple site a shrine to muhammed and not the vatican. The Vatican is nowhere near Jerusalem.
The one who comes before Christ, pretending to be Him, is Satan. Revelation 12 and 13 . Lawless one is even called the son of perdition. Another of Satans names . Dragon , little horn, Lucifer etc. This is Jesus's teachings. Jesus even mentioned Satan when teaching about the end times. It even says in 2thess 2, that its after the works of Satan. What is ? To be worshiped as god. The entire chapter describes it . Antichrist is Satan himself.
None taken bro, and thanks for taking the time to point that out.
However, collectively looking at the following verses in 2 Thessalonians, and other relevant NT verses, it's obvious to me and many others historically, that the apostasy spoken of in verse 3 is Christian apostasy.
As Ellicott states in his commentary on 2 Thessalonians 3, “That falling away” must undoubtedly imply that the persons so apostatising had formerly held (or, perhaps, still professed to hold) the Christian faith: men cannot fall from ground which they never occupied."
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Interesting, Never heard this thought before. Not sure it is this set in stone. I think he was talking about people who left the church. And now deny christ, They (like all people who deny christ) were never of us (saved)
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Yes.
The church as a body of christ has fallen.
I see it as in the last days, the church will have lost its way. And alot of what we see today will happen. Not so much that saved people fell away and became lost.
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That is speaking of antiochus epiphanies my friend. He commited the abomination of desolation by entering the holy place and slaughtering a pig. This caused an uproar among the jews, and the result was the macabean revolt. It is there in the history books.
This little horn is the type of the one who is to come in the last days. WHo will do the same thing. Only his act will nto cause a revolt. It will begin the time of trouble which this world has never seen before. Or will after.
I agree, and would never suggest that those who fell away, and are to fall away, were saved Christians that became lost.
They are apostates. Christian in name only, but void of truth, and will perish.
2 Thessalonians 2:10
and in every deception of wickedness unto those perishing, in return for which they did not receive the love of the truth in order for them to be saved.
1 Timothy 4:1-3
But the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2in the hypocrisy of liars, having been seared in the own conscience, 3forbidding to marry, commanding to abstain from foods that God created for reception with thanksgiving by the faithful and those knowing the truth.
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Amen.. Many through the years hve come in the name of Christ yet never even knew him. Sadly,, The number of those people are growing, even in our so called traditional churches, the falling away is occuring as they walk away from the word.
Not every one believe pope is God, real Christian not.
But the bible say, antichrist Will claim to be God, and in the end time a Lot of people believe it
It say below in verse 12 that the earth and It inhibitants worship him,
Your question is why, he not create the world.
I think because he claim to be God, the creator.
Why people believe?
Verse 13 say he performe miracle like Jesus, even cause g fire come from heaven.
Why we worship Jesus ?
Because we believe He is God. Same happen with antichrist, claim to be God demonstrate miracle to make people believe It.
Antichrist claim to be God, mohhamad not
The coming antichrist Will be worship as God by all nation, mohammad not Being worship as a God.
The coming antichrist Will rule the world, mohammad never rule the world to his death.
Rev13
The Beast out of the Earth
11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.