I provided sound scriptural proof, and you flat out reject the words of the Lord it in order to hold to the doctrines of men. And I use the words of God and His Holy Spirit for discernment, not Youtube and world news and current events.
The man of sin (2 Tess 2:1-4)
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I provided sound scriptural proof, and you flat out reject the words of the Lord it in order to hold to the doctrines of men. And I use the words of God and His Holy Spirit for discernment, not Youtube and world news and current events.
There seems to be a huge error going around about when Satan, the Prince that was forecast to come. As was also prophesied in Daniel, and when antichrist spirit was to come, and when the abomination that causes desolation (destruction of temple and holy city) was to be fulfilled.
Here is where the Prince was forecast to come in Daniel 9:26 “And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.”
This is the prophecy of the Prince, or Satan coming which was also confirmed by Jesus. Jesus said in Luke 10:18“And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.” Jesus also said the Prince of this world is judged in John 16:11“Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.”
And again in John 14:30“Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.” And so again when is Satan judged, cast out, and when does hecome? John 12:31“Now is thejudgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.”
And when Jesus said now, he meant now! Not some 1,982 years or so later. Alright, we have scriptural proof to confirm this, and Jesus’ own testimony to confirm this, and now the apostles testimony of the coming of antichrist spirit.
1 John 2:18 “Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.”
1 John 4:3 “And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”
2 John 1:7 “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.”
Note, John says nothing about a single man being called “Antichrist”, but rather he tells us antichrist is a spirit which works in many. (many deceivers)
Need more proof? Notice when the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] beast kingdom is in place, and when Satan/ prince of this world/ Devil/ Red dragon is in place, and also cast out.
Revelation 12:3-5 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon,having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
There it is, already in place ready to devour the child Jesus as soon as it was born. How much clearer can that be?
But wait, there is more proof in Revelation 12:5-9 "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.[SUP]7 [/SUP]And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.[SUP]9 [/SUP]And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
Same thing confirmed in Daniel 8:8-12 “Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.[SUP]9 [/SUP]And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.[SUP]12 [/SUP]And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.”
There you have it folks, these things concerning his coming is confirmed as being fulfilled by both Jesus Christ, the apostles, and scripture.
So is your theology based on Truth, and also in line with scripture? Or is it based on a fanciful imagination of men who do not understand the spiritual things of God?
Here is where the Prince was forecast to come in Daniel 9:26 “And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.”
This is the prophecy of the Prince, or Satan coming which was also confirmed by Jesus. Jesus said in Luke 10:18“And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.” Jesus also said the Prince of this world is judged in John 16:11“Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.”
And again in John 14:30“Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.” And so again when is Satan judged, cast out, and when does hecome? John 12:31“Now is thejudgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.”
And when Jesus said now, he meant now! Not some 1,982 years or so later. Alright, we have scriptural proof to confirm this, and Jesus’ own testimony to confirm this, and now the apostles testimony of the coming of antichrist spirit.
1 John 2:18 “Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.”
1 John 4:3 “And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”
2 John 1:7 “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.”
Note, John says nothing about a single man being called “Antichrist”, but rather he tells us antichrist is a spirit which works in many. (many deceivers)
Need more proof? Notice when the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] beast kingdom is in place, and when Satan/ prince of this world/ Devil/ Red dragon is in place, and also cast out.
Revelation 12:3-5 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon,having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
There it is, already in place ready to devour the child Jesus as soon as it was born. How much clearer can that be?
But wait, there is more proof in Revelation 12:5-9 "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.[SUP]7 [/SUP]And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.[SUP]9 [/SUP]And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
Same thing confirmed in Daniel 8:8-12 “Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.[SUP]9 [/SUP]And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.[SUP]12 [/SUP]And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.”
There you have it folks, these things concerning his coming is confirmed as being fulfilled by both Jesus Christ, the apostles, and scripture.
So is your theology based on Truth, and also in line with scripture? Or is it based on a fanciful imagination of men who do not understand the spiritual things of God?
K
kennethcadwell
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The A.O.D. is not the destruction of the temple and the city Jerusalem...............
Lord Jesus, Daniel, Paul, and Revelation all show that the A.O.D. is the man of sin standing in the temple and defiling/profaning it by standing there claiming to be God.
Rather you look at Tiberius, Caligula, or Titus who was emperor during 70 AD.
Not any of them fulfilled this part of prophecy of standing in the temple in Jerusalem and claiming to be God, as none of them even went to Jerusalem. They sent soldiers instead to attack Jerusalem........
Tiberius did not fulfill any of the surrounding the city with armies, nor did he destroy either the city or temple...........
Caligula claimed to be a god, but never went to Jerusalem.
He sent another with an army to Jerusalem to put his statues in the temple, but the man defied his order after the Jews pleaded with him to let them keep their own laws. Caligula was then killed 3 months later unfulfilling the prophecy........
Titus did send the army to Jerusalem but order the temple not to be destroyed.
His troops defied his orders and destroyed the temple and Jerusalem any way, yet Titus nor anybody in the army set foot in the temple and claimed to be God leaving the prophecy still unfulfilled.
Since then there has been no temple in Jerusalem to defile/profane by an individual standing in it claiming to be God.
There would have to be another one built in the future for this prophecy to finally be fulfilled. People need to stop just focusing on the surrounding of Jerusalem by armies to fit the A.O.D., when that is just the event that leads up to it and not the A.O.D. itself.............
Lord Jesus, Daniel, Paul, and Revelation all show that the A.O.D. is the man of sin standing in the temple and defiling/profaning it by standing there claiming to be God.
Rather you look at Tiberius, Caligula, or Titus who was emperor during 70 AD.
Not any of them fulfilled this part of prophecy of standing in the temple in Jerusalem and claiming to be God, as none of them even went to Jerusalem. They sent soldiers instead to attack Jerusalem........
Tiberius did not fulfill any of the surrounding the city with armies, nor did he destroy either the city or temple...........
Caligula claimed to be a god, but never went to Jerusalem.
He sent another with an army to Jerusalem to put his statues in the temple, but the man defied his order after the Jews pleaded with him to let them keep their own laws. Caligula was then killed 3 months later unfulfilling the prophecy........
Titus did send the army to Jerusalem but order the temple not to be destroyed.
His troops defied his orders and destroyed the temple and Jerusalem any way, yet Titus nor anybody in the army set foot in the temple and claimed to be God leaving the prophecy still unfulfilled.
Since then there has been no temple in Jerusalem to defile/profane by an individual standing in it claiming to be God.
There would have to be another one built in the future for this prophecy to finally be fulfilled. People need to stop just focusing on the surrounding of Jerusalem by armies to fit the A.O.D., when that is just the event that leads up to it and not the A.O.D. itself.............
Again you deny what Temple Jesus was talking about to His disciples. It's plain as the nose on your face He was talking about the Temple they were looking at with their own eyes Ken.
Here it is plain as day Ken....
Mark 13:1-413 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
So Jesus was telling them about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at with their eyes, but in Matthews account the question and the prophecy is twofold, not only about the destruction of the temple, but also about the end of the world.
Matthew 24:1-3
24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Now to Luke's account.
Luke 21:5-7
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
Your pushing the doctrine of men Ken, you've been deceived!
K
kennethcadwell
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Let's break this down so that we can see proper discernment of this scripture;
1 John 2:18
“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come,
(Here John is speaking of one final end time figure to come.) ^^^^^
even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.”
^^^^^(Then here John is speaking of the spirit of antichrist that is already at work in the world.)
Here is the proof from Revelation of one final end time figure who will carry the title of antichrist, as also he will be known by these titles as well; man of sin, son of perdition, prince of this world, man of lawlessness, beast from the sea;
[h=1]Revelation 13:1-8New King James Version (NKJV)[/h][h=3]The Beast from the Sea[/h]13 Then I[a] stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns,[b] and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. 2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”
5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue[c] for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe,[d]tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
This passage in Revelation 13 and especially verse 6 parallels 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Matthew 24:15, Mark 13:14, and Daniel 11:31, 12:11.
1 John 2:18
“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come,
(Here John is speaking of one final end time figure to come.) ^^^^^
even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.”
^^^^^(Then here John is speaking of the spirit of antichrist that is already at work in the world.)
Here is the proof from Revelation of one final end time figure who will carry the title of antichrist, as also he will be known by these titles as well; man of sin, son of perdition, prince of this world, man of lawlessness, beast from the sea;
[h=1]Revelation 13:1-8New King James Version (NKJV)[/h][h=3]The Beast from the Sea[/h]13 Then I[a] stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns,[b] and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. 2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”
5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue[c] for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe,[d]tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
This passage in Revelation 13 and especially verse 6 parallels 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Matthew 24:15, Mark 13:14, and Daniel 11:31, 12:11.
K
kennethcadwell
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Wrong, you are the one who is trying to force things to fit as you constantly ignore the parts of the scriptures in both Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14 where Jesus says when you see him stand in the Holy place/where he should not. This is the A.O.D. that Jesus clearly stated then referred back to Daniel who tells us in chapters 11 and 12 will be set up in the temple.
Apostle Paul and John in Revelation 13 shows the A.O.D. will be done when he stands in the temple claiming to be God.
Once again the Roman emperors Tiberius, Caligula, and Titus did not do this, and after Titus it could not be done because the temple was destroyed. Therefore this is still unfulfilled !!!!
Revelation 11 clearly shows a rebuilt temple on earth, and the Jews have already made all the furnishings for this temple, and have stated they would return to animal sacrificing after it is built. Ezekiel 40 also shows another temple, rather it is the same temple as Revelation 11 or another one after that can be debated. But the fact remains the bible clearly shows another temple on earth that does not match the dimensions of the previous temples..............
If you don't believe the scriptures I posted, if you don't believe Jesus' words concerning the coming of the Prince of this world and the destruction of the Temple they were looking at with their own eyes. And if you reject the words of John spoken by the Holy Spirit concerning the spirit of antichrist working in many deceivers (not a individual man yet to come in the future) but who by his own words said had in fact come, as was already in the world. Then why would I expect you to believe me?
You have been warned of preaching the doctrine of carnally minded men (natural brute beasts)
Swelling words from the natural brute beasts, like the sea and waves roaring (many waters)
2 Corinthians 12:20
For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:
2 Peter 2:18
For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
Jude 1:16
These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
Daniel 7:25
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Revelation 13:5
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Daniel 7:8..... in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
Revelation 13:11
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
2 Peter 2:12
But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
Jude 1:10
But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
1 Corinthians 15:32
If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die."
John 3:31
He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
Daniel 7:11
I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
K
kennethcadwell
Guest
I do believe the scriptures as all truth, however I don't believe in your misusing of them by picking and choosing which ones or parts you want to use and which ones not to. Also how you have taken and mashed scriptures that are speaking of two separate things as speaking of only one.
I clearly showed you how in 1 John 2:18 the Apostle is talking about both the man of sin (antichrist) yet to come, and the spirit of the antichrist that already is in the world. You are the one who wants to reject the first part of this verse, and make it all speaking of the same thing which it is not.
Now you are taking and doing it again as Revelation 13 speaks of 2 different individuals;
Revelation 13:1-8 speaks of the man of sin (beast) and the 10 nations that follow him...................
Revelation 13:11-16 speaks of the false prophet that follows the man of sin.........................
These are two separate individuals as one is a political leader and the other is a religious leader, and if you keep reading on to Revelation 19:20 and 20:10 it confirms this as well.
Your scriptures from 2 Peter 2:12, Jude 1:10, and 1 Corinthians 15:32 have nothing to do with Revelation 13.
Those scriptures are speaking of false teachers and prophets who are lead by the spirit of the antichrist, so once again you are trying to mash scriptures together that do not belong together......
Once again the spirit of antichrist is in the world now and has been for some time, so I do not reject that as you keep falsely claiming. However what I do not do is keep denying a main end time figure that will come to power and be revealed when he stands in the temple and claims to be God, as you keep doing. By what you keep saying and trying to prove by saying the A.O.D. has already taken place is to make all of the bible fulfilled, or your math really does not fit prophecy. For the bible clearly shows the Lord returns after this man of sin has killed the saints for 42 months = time times and half a time = 1,260 days = 3 1/2 years.................
If the A.O.D. has already happened which the bible shows starts that 3 1/2 years, and you believe it happened in 70 AD then the Lord would have already had His second coming and we would definitely be past the 1,000 year millennial reign of Christ here on earth. We are not therefore A.O.D. is unfulfilled !!!!
I clearly showed you how in 1 John 2:18 the Apostle is talking about both the man of sin (antichrist) yet to come, and the spirit of the antichrist that already is in the world. You are the one who wants to reject the first part of this verse, and make it all speaking of the same thing which it is not.
Now you are taking and doing it again as Revelation 13 speaks of 2 different individuals;
Revelation 13:1-8 speaks of the man of sin (beast) and the 10 nations that follow him...................
Revelation 13:11-16 speaks of the false prophet that follows the man of sin.........................
These are two separate individuals as one is a political leader and the other is a religious leader, and if you keep reading on to Revelation 19:20 and 20:10 it confirms this as well.
Your scriptures from 2 Peter 2:12, Jude 1:10, and 1 Corinthians 15:32 have nothing to do with Revelation 13.
Those scriptures are speaking of false teachers and prophets who are lead by the spirit of the antichrist, so once again you are trying to mash scriptures together that do not belong together......
Once again the spirit of antichrist is in the world now and has been for some time, so I do not reject that as you keep falsely claiming. However what I do not do is keep denying a main end time figure that will come to power and be revealed when he stands in the temple and claims to be God, as you keep doing. By what you keep saying and trying to prove by saying the A.O.D. has already taken place is to make all of the bible fulfilled, or your math really does not fit prophecy. For the bible clearly shows the Lord returns after this man of sin has killed the saints for 42 months = time times and half a time = 1,260 days = 3 1/2 years.................
If the A.O.D. has already happened which the bible shows starts that 3 1/2 years, and you believe it happened in 70 AD then the Lord would have already had His second coming and we would definitely be past the 1,000 year millennial reign of Christ here on earth. We are not therefore A.O.D. is unfulfilled !!!!
If you don't believe the scriptures I posted, if you don't believe Jesus' words concerning the coming of the Prince of this world and the destruction of the Temple they were looking at with their own eyes. And if you reject the words of John spoken by the Holy Spirit concerning the spirit of antichrist working in many deceivers (not a individual man yet to come in the future) but who by his own words said had in fact come, as was already in the world. Then why would I expect you to believe me?
You have been warned of preaching the doctrine of carnally minded men (natural brute beasts)
Swelling words from the natural brute beasts, like the sea and waves roaring (many waters)
2 Corinthians 12:20
For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:
2 Peter 2:18
For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
Jude 1:16
These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
Daniel 7:25
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Revelation 13:5
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Daniel 7:8..... in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
Revelation 13:11
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
2 Peter 2:12
But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
Jude 1:10
But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
1 Corinthians 15:32
If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die."
John 3:31
He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
Daniel 7:11
I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
If you cannot receive what I've said thus far, you certainly would not be able to receive what a sign of time means, as time is also symbolized in many parts of scripture. Have a nice day Ken.