The mark of the beast

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iamsoandso

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If the image,mark,number name ect. were spiritual then only those spirit led would know what it is. If the beast kills those who will not worship the image then the beast and those who do worship it can literally see it and identify those who refuse to worship the image or take the mark,number,name. So it's not something that can be seen only by those spiritually led it's literal and the beast and his followers will be able to identify those who have it from the ones who don't. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+13:15&version=KJV
 
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It is very much a literal mark and nothing in scripture states otherwise. The mark will be in the right hand or forehead.
Are they going to literally split a persons head open and etch a mark on the inside of the head?
 

iamsoandso

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Lafftur

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It is very much a literal mark and nothing in scripture states otherwise. The mark will be in the right hand or forehead.
I agree that there is a literal mark of the beast placed in the hands and forehead but, I also agree that when a person takes the literal mark they are also marked in the spiritual realm - just like a true born again believer is sealed with the Holy Spirit- we are marked.

All of the kingdom of darkness and the Kingdom of Heaven can see it.

Remember those demons that said - “Jesus we know and Paul but, who are you?!”

Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.


And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.

And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
Acts 19:13-16 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Acts 19:13-16&version=KJV

God is marking us and Satan will be marking his, too.
 

massorite

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Good day massorite!

Regarding the word 'Charagma,' you also have to take into consideration that John is seeing technology of the future, of which he has zero to compare to from his time period. So he used the closest word that he could use to describe what he was seeing. He can't use the words syringe, computer chip, virtual buying and selling, etc., etc. He has absolutely nothing to compare to in order to describe what he is seeing.

That said, the fact that we are seeing people having RFID chips inserted under the skin of the hand which is being used to buy and sell, then it doesn't take much to put two and two together. No other generation was able to make the claims that we can today because of the virtual technology that exists.

The mark of the beast technology has been evolving for many years and now an actual device is being inserted under the skin of the hand and is being used to make purchases. This technology will continue to evolve in preparation for the revealing of that antichrist, so that everything will be set up and ready to go when his mark becomes the only valid way of crediting and debiting ones bank account. And this right under the noses of the the inhabitants.

I'm sure that the RFID chip will evolve into something more applicable as we move forward. What will remain constant will be that whatever the mark ends up being, it will go in/on the hand or the forehead.
That is a great point and I have always taken that into consideration when reading folks like John, Ezekiel, and many others. But I have based non of my beliefs on what John had to compare what he saw with. My beliefs are always based on what researched word is actually speaking about in the Greek and Hebrew languages. Besides in the days of John and long before those days folks were tattooing themselves so John knew full well what a tattoo was and scripture actually speaks out against marking ourselves with tattoo's.
Lev 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
I have seen so many Christians who believe that there is nothing wrong with tattooing themselves but it is a sin and a direct contradiction of the Word of God.
Another reason why I believe it will be a tattoo is because a microchip can be removed and reprogrammed and then the body will heal the wound leaving a small scare. But the size needed to contain all of the necessary information which include a persons financial info would be big enough to leave a good size scare if the area of flesh covered by the tattoo were to be removed. While a new tattoo can be done with different info. it would need to be put in a different place. Tattooing scare tissue is not the same as tattooing skin.
 

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iamsoandso

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Yes, and the false prophet will be mimicking John the Baptist.

There will be a running parallel between Jesus & John the Baptist and Anti-Christ & False Prophet.

Everything you see and think will happen at our Lords return is what he does just prior to Jesus return,,the temple,Israel,,New Jerusalem,being sealed, Judgment of the beast and false prophet ect.ect.ect. he mimics all of it.
 

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No.. no one knows. I say that because I think you already read "666" Which is written 600,60,6. Some other texts read "600,16,6". But this is really mute. Before this the word says.. only those that are not written in the lambs book will worship the beast. And thats the key right there. See before the mark ever comes in to play and NO.. NO ONE will already have the mark. The beast demands the WORLD to worship him and those that don't are killed. So you have to worship the beast.. that alone the one is lost forever and never has to take the mark. Just worshiping the beast one is lost.

Again.. the word says.. only those that are not written in the lambs book will worship it :)
 
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Do you understand what it means to 'etch' . . . ?

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I do. It means to mark something as the KJV says. Sort of like 911 has been ETCHED in the minds of the American people.
 

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Are they going to literally split a persons head open and etch a mark on the inside of the head?
No, more likely a tattoo on the outside of the forehead. Same for the right hand. Really, this isn't that complicated to understand. Physical mark of the beast, right hand or forehead that allows you to buy or sell. Accepting the mark of the beast has grave spiritual consequences. Now, this mark may be in the form of a electronic chip but, regardless, it is a physical mark. Why etch a mark on the inside of a person's head when the mark can easily be applied directly on the outside of the forehead?
 

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I do. It means to mark something as the KJV says. Sort of like 911 has been ETCHED in the minds of the American people.
9/11 wasn't etched in my mind at all. Everyday something bad is happening to people in the world.
 
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9/11 wasn't etched in my mind at all. Everyday something bad is happening to people in the world.
Are you saying you don’t remember 911? Etched in your mind means to place an unforgettable memory in your mind.
 

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Are you saying you don’t remember 911? Etched in your mind means to place an unforgettable memory in your mind.
Of course I remember 9/11 quite clearly. The thing is, any memory is etched in your mind so by my perception the word 'etched' does not carry much significance. I would not even rate what happen on 9/11 on my top 10 list of significant events that have affected my life. The day my wife and I got married is 'etched' in my mind, but again, it is just a memory, albeit a significant one. It's on my short list for sure of significance.
 
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If the image,mark,number name ect. were spiritual then only those spirit led would know what it is. If the beast kills those who will not worship the image then the beast and those who do worship it can literally see it and identify those who refuse to worship the image or take the mark,number,name. So it's not something that can be seen only by those spiritually led it's literal and the beast and his followers will be able to identify those who have it from the ones who don't. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+13:15&version=KJV
I would offer.. (sorry for the length).

God has designed mankind to to serve the Creator. Mankind fell when they performed the will of another. The god of this world . The letter of the law "death" You shall surely die) began the glory of God departed. But the letter continues to do its work of showing we are guilty before God.

God has set eternity in the hearts of man yet mankind's hard heart cannot understand .

Ecclesiastes 3:11 New King James Version (NKJV) He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also He has put eternity in their hearts, except that no one can find out the work that God does from beginning to end.

Christians as new creatures walk by faith (hearing the word of God the gospel) and not by sight. Its a evil generation that seeks after a sign, the temporal seen before they will beleive. the unbelieving Jew performed that with Jesus making him into a circus seal . Show us a miracle then we will believe. (John 6:30)

When Cain heard the gospel it conflicted with his conscience offending him, he became angry and he murdered Abel the first martyr. The foundation of Paganism. Out of sight out of mind.

The mark is the mark of Cain the unseen law that works in the heart of mankind spoken of in Roman 2 accusing and excusing.

Roman 2: 11-15 For there is no respect of persons with God. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

In Romans 2:16 we are informed that women exchanged their natural function for that which is against nature. They know it is against nature, “They knew God.” focusing the point that every human being is guilty before God because every one of us, “suppress the truth” In our actions. Only Jesus performed it perfectly.

None of us lives up to the demands of his own conscience as a judgement hall . One minute accusing ourselves the next excusing) let alone the demands that God has given .Only in Christ our sabbath rest. . can we know what God has written in our hearts .

Then having the power sealed or marked in the forehead (mind) as forgiven ones. We then can seek for strength to do the will

Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Having a new heart and power a mark of a new spirit

Hebrews 10: 15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

When Cain heard the unwritten law "thou shall not murder" having no faith by which he could believe God . In his mind he knew he deserves death offended by the gospel. he plowed Abel under (out of sight out of mind) The reckoning of a heart void the work of the gospel. out of sight out of mind.

Genesis 4: 13-15 And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

His whole life he remained a restless wander always looking back. . no vision of rest ahead . No light on his path
 
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Of course I remember 9/11 quite clearly. The thing is, any memory is etched in your mind so by my perception the word 'etched' does not carry much significance. I would not even rate what happen on 9/11 on my top 10 list of significant events that have affected my life. The day my wife and I got married is 'etched' in my mind, but again, it is just a memory, albeit a significant one. It's on my short list for sure of significance.
Well you get the point I was making. Etching something isn’t always a physical literal thing.
 

Mak33

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I just saw this and thought I might share here... I was searching and saw it... any pov?
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I just saw this and thought I might share here... I was searching and saw it... any pov?
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That's assigning number values to letters and then adding up the number values of each letter. That's not counting the number 666. In the KJV it is given as "Six hundred threescore and six". Six hundred threescore (660) and (+) six is equal to 660 + 6 which reduces to 66 + 6.
 

iamsoandso

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I would offer.. (sorry for the length).

God has designed mankind to to serve the Creator. Mankind fell when they performed the will of another. The god of this world . The letter of the law "death" You shall surely die) began the glory of God departed. But the letter continues to do its work of showing we are guilty before God.

God has set eternity in the hearts of man yet mankind's hard heart cannot understand .

Ecclesiastes 3:11 New King James Version (NKJV) He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also He has put eternity in their hearts, except that no one can find out the work that God does from beginning to end.

Christians as new creatures walk by faith (hearing the word of God the gospel) and not by sight. Its a evil generation that seeks after a sign, the temporal seen before they will beleive. the unbelieving Jew performed that with Jesus making him into a circus seal . Show us a miracle then we will believe. (John 6:30)

When Cain heard the gospel it conflicted with his conscience offending him, he became angry and he murdered Abel the first martyr. The foundation of Paganism. Out of sight out of mind.

The mark is the mark of Cain the unseen law that works in the heart of mankind spoken of in Roman 2 accusing and excusing.

Roman 2: 11-15 For there is no respect of persons with God. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

In Romans 2:16 we are informed that women exchanged their natural function for that which is against nature. They know it is against nature, “They knew God.” focusing the point that every human being is guilty before God because every one of us, “suppress the truth” In our actions. Only Jesus performed it perfectly.

None of us lives up to the demands of his own conscience as a judgement hall . One minute accusing ourselves the next excusing) let alone the demands that God has given .Only in Christ our sabbath rest. . can we know what God has written in our hearts .

Then having the power sealed or marked in the forehead (mind) as forgiven ones. We then can seek for strength to do the will

Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Having a new heart and power a mark of a new spirit

Hebrews 10: 15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

When Cain heard the unwritten law "thou shall not murder" having no faith by which he could believe God . In his mind he knew he deserves death offended by the gospel. he plowed Abel under (out of sight out of mind) The reckoning of a heart void the work of the gospel. out of sight out of mind.

Genesis 4: 13-15 And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

His whole life he remained a restless wander always looking back. . no vision of rest ahead . No light on his path

The first time I ask you about Revelation 13:15 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+13:15&version=KJV you said "hmm,that's a good question" and you were much closer to understanding this then than now. You told me you would consider this and get back with me do you remember that? I will restate that same question.

In Revelation 13:15 the ones who do not worship the image are killed by the beast and his followers. Now if this is spiritual then the beast cannot understand it because it is spiritually discerned https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/2-14.htm ... And the Scriptures state that they cannot understand things spiritually discerned.

In Revelation 13:15 the beast does understand and know who are his and those who are not and he kills those who will not worship the image. Now the ones who do worship the image are spiritually dead because they are deceived(slain spiritually). Those who were not deceived and do not worship the image are killed by the beast because they wont worship the image so they are not spiritually dead. So if he could not spiritually kill them by deception the only other method is literal,carnal death.

Now the beast cannot understand things that are spiritually discerned because the natural man cannot do this(see 1 Cor. 2:14) as written in Scripture so how does he know who to kill and not kill? The beast can clearly see the ones who don't worship the image on a literal,carnal level and kills the ones who will not worship the image literally.

Again in Revelation 19:21 https://biblehub.com/revelation/19-21.htm the rest are killed and the fowl eat their flesh. Now it is obvious from the Scripture that they were deceived and were already spiritually dead and they are killed. If they were/are spiritually dead and worship the image,beast ect. then the only other method of death is physical,carnal,literal death.

It is not me that you are trying to convince not to kill the ones who will not worship the image literally but the beast and his followers. Because they cannot discern the things that are spiritual and can only see things natural,carnal then they will do this on a carnal,physical level. The rider on the horse does kill them literally because they were spiritually dead already.