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time to unleash God's wisdom for this matter
**doing some stretches, finger stretches, forearm stretches**
enough with the humor to lighten up for a serious topic
here we go:
I do believe in ...
I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. (Ezekiel 36:26)
I do believe
**doing some stretches, finger stretches, forearm stretches**
enough with the humor to lighten up for a serious topic
here we go:
I do believe in ...
I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. (Ezekiel 36:26)
I do believe
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time to unleash God's wisdom for this matter
**doing some stretches, finger stretches, forearm stretches**
enough with the humor to lighten up for a serious topic
here we go:
I do believe in ...
I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. (Ezekiel 36:26)
I do believe
**doing some stretches, finger stretches, forearm stretches**
enough with the humor to lighten up for a serious topic
here we go:
I do believe in ...
I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. (Ezekiel 36:26)
I do believe
I know. That is the most precious gif. How could you not cuddle a precious little donkey like that? Sooooo cute.
I don't know that we'll ever be privy to the definitive cause for the Book of Enoch omission from the canon. We're just told that the holy spirit did not lead those in charge of determining what writings worthy to appoint the BoE as such.
And yet, it arrives as a question among those who do consider what are the Apocrypha, the non-canonical books, which were actually published in the King James version of the Bible in 1611, will God later judge those who judged what God actually did inspire to be recorded in the mortal written record as unworthy of that authoritative category of "canon of scripture" ?
" It was also about these men that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones, to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have done in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.” " Jude 1:14-15 New Testament Book
That is one scripture taken from the canonical scriptures in our New Testament.
Then we learn of the 1 Enoch scripture due to the excavation of the Dead Sea Scrolls unearthed in 1787 in Ethiopia that was then found to produce what we today call, 1 Enoch, or "The Book of Enoch". I should say here that the DSS are not the Nag Hammadi Codices, also known as the "Gnostic Gospels". The NHC are not nearly as old.
"And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of holy ones to execute judgement upon all, and to destroy [all] the ungodly: and to convict all flesh of all the works [of their ungodliness] which they have ungodly committed, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners [have spoken] against Him. " Enoch 1:9
Where did Jude arrive at his prophecy when it is so similar to the Book of Enoch? When Scholars determined that the BoE was used by the faithful before what is known as "the church age". (what is the church age? - Article from, what Christians want to know)
Precise dates for the church age are not uniformly agreed upon. However, when the Book of Enoch was able to be translated around 1948 or so, years after discovery of the scrolls, it was determined there were evidences of it being in use among the faithful to God before the church age and roughly at 200 B.C. .
I personally think the book was omitted from the canon due to its references to angels, what we today would call ET's, and their interaction with the human race. Among other points that would seem contentious to the formula that was unfolding in the patterning of the canon process.
Again, that's just my thought. You can find the Book of Enoch on-line and if you so choose read it for yourself to arrive at your conclusions. What I did was read it and compare how it would comport with the teachings in both the canon testaments.
That's why I think it was omitted because it in total is decidedly different than the running theme in both testaments. And yet, what is interesting is, as mentioned earlier, Jesus and the Apostles quotes from the BoE were allowed into the New Testament canon. While the source of those quotes was deemed unworthy of being there too.
I don't know that we'll ever be privy to the definitive cause for the Book of Enoch omission from the canon. We're just told that the holy spirit did not lead those in charge of determining what writings worthy to appoint the BoE as such.
And yet, it arrives as a question among those who do consider what are the Apocrypha, the non-canonical books, which were actually published in the King James version of the Bible in 1611, will God later judge those who judged what God actually did inspire to be recorded in the mortal written record as unworthy of that authoritative category of "canon of scripture" ?
" It was also about these men that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones, to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have done in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.” " Jude 1:14-15 New Testament Book
That is one scripture taken from the canonical scriptures in our New Testament.
Then we learn of the 1 Enoch scripture due to the excavation of the Dead Sea Scrolls unearthed in 1787 in Ethiopia that was then found to produce what we today call, 1 Enoch, or "The Book of Enoch". I should say here that the DSS are not the Nag Hammadi Codices, also known as the "Gnostic Gospels". The NHC are not nearly as old.
"And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of holy ones to execute judgement upon all, and to destroy [all] the ungodly: and to convict all flesh of all the works [of their ungodliness] which they have ungodly committed, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners [have spoken] against Him. " Enoch 1:9
Where did Jude arrive at his prophecy when it is so similar to the Book of Enoch? When Scholars determined that the BoE was used by the faithful before what is known as "the church age". (what is the church age? - Article from, what Christians want to know)
Precise dates for the church age are not uniformly agreed upon. However, when the Book of Enoch was able to be translated around 1948 or so, years after discovery of the scrolls, it was determined there were evidences of it being in use among the faithful to God before the church age and roughly at 200 B.C. .
I personally think the book was omitted from the canon due to its references to angels, what we today would call ET's, and their interaction with the human race. Among other points that would seem contentious to the formula that was unfolding in the patterning of the canon process.
Again, that's just my thought. You can find the Book of Enoch on-line and if you so choose read it for yourself to arrive at your conclusions.
What I did was read it and compare how it would comport with the teachings in both the canon testaments.That's why I think it was omitted because it in total is decidedly different than the running theme in both testaments. And yet, what is interesting is, as mentioned earlier, Jesus and the Apostles quotes from the BoE were allowed into the New Testament canon. While the source of those quotes was deemed unworthy of being there too.
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Message was: if you see God doing a thing in your life like bringing down his presence and pouring out his blessings don’t dare put your hand in or you will be killed on spot. For interrupting God’s will in your life. Because sometimes we want to help God but we kill it when we intervene. And all this was based on a true story of the Bible.
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CHAPTER CIV. (Chapter 104 Book of Enoch)
1. I swear unto you, that in heaven the angels remember you for good before the glory of the Great One: and your names are written before the glory of the Great One
Luke 10
20 "Nevertheless do not rejoice at this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven.”
Nephilim(Wiki)
The Nephilim were the offspring of the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" before the Deluge, according to narrative of the Bible. ....
Bible Dictionary
Nephilim
( Genesis 6:4 ; Numbers 13:33 , RSV), giants, the Hebrew word left untranslated by the Revisers, the name of one of the Canaanitish tribes. The Revisers have, however, translated the Hebrew gibborim, in Genesis 6:4 , "mighty men."
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1. I swear unto you, that in heaven the angels remember you for good before the glory of the Great One: and your names are written before the glory of the Great One
Luke 10
20 "Nevertheless do not rejoice at this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven.”
The Nephilim were the offspring of the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" before the Deluge, according to narrative of the Bible. ....
Bible Dictionary
Nephilim
( Genesis 6:4 ; Numbers 13:33 , RSV), giants, the Hebrew word left untranslated by the Revisers, the name of one of the Canaanitish tribes. The Revisers have, however, translated the Hebrew gibborim, in Genesis 6:4 , "mighty men."
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CHAPTER CIV. (Chapter 104 Book of Enoch)
1. I swear unto you, that in heaven the angels remember you for good before the glory of the Great One: and your names are written before the glory of the Great One
Luke 10
20 "Nevertheless do not rejoice at this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven.”
Nephilim(Wiki)
The Nephilim were the offspring of the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" before the Deluge, according to narrative of the Bible. ....
Bible Dictionary
Nephilim
( Genesis 6:4 ; Numbers 13:33 , RSV), giants, the Hebrew word left untranslated by the Revisers, the name of one of the Canaanitish tribes. The Revisers have, however, translated the Hebrew gibborim, in Genesis 6:4 , "mighty men."
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1. I swear unto you, that in heaven the angels remember you for good before the glory of the Great One: and your names are written before the glory of the Great One
Luke 10
20 "Nevertheless do not rejoice at this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven.”
The Nephilim were the offspring of the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" before the Deluge, according to narrative of the Bible. ....
Bible Dictionary
Nephilim
( Genesis 6:4 ; Numbers 13:33 , RSV), giants, the Hebrew word left untranslated by the Revisers, the name of one of the Canaanitish tribes. The Revisers have, however, translated the Hebrew gibborim, in Genesis 6:4 , "mighty men."
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Anything I call them is just speculation. I will say they are not ministering spirits or fallen spirits. Only once were we told of a Spirit impregnating a human being: Jesus. The two-thirds of the angels that still serve God and even the demons do not step over the line drawn by the Lord. The devil may run this world system by deceiving man without his knowledge. God had given man dominion over the earth. Satan rules by deception. Ultimately, my God reigns.
Sons of God refer to two kinds of messengers(angels) . One those seen as beast of the field (DNA) born again (human) and the other angels as spirit beings.(no DNA as dust of the field. angels without DNA are not subject to salvation . No way to multiply.
The first group as born again would be considered sons of God as those who do follow after led by the Spirit of God to include the non DNA messengers . Not made in the image of God as humans
The other group would be sons of god that follow after or are led by the god of this world as those who have left their first place of habitation . They would be connected to "daughters of men" non believers.
The teaching is that they were unevenly yoke jeopardizing the Spiritual seed "Christ" in relationship the generation of Christ the new creatures.
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
The first group as born again would be considered sons of God as those who do follow after led by the Spirit of God to include the non DNA messengers . Not made in the image of God as humans
The other group would be sons of god that follow after or are led by the god of this world as those who have left their first place of habitation . They would be connected to "daughters of men" non believers.
The teaching is that they were unevenly yoke jeopardizing the Spiritual seed "Christ" in relationship the generation of Christ the new creatures.
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
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The only trouble here is Enoch was written after the bible. That makes the quotes easy. Wiki only brings up the same statements in Genesis without defining them. The big question is: what are "the sons of God?"
The Book of Enoch
The Book of Enoch
Unquestionably the most comprehensive account of the Nephilim is found in I Enoch. This is arguably one of the most captivating pieces of literature to have ever been written.
It is certainly a very controversial piece amongst scholars, theologians, and Bible students.
The dating of Enoch varies from scholar to scholar. However, it seems most agree the earliest parts of the book were written during the pre-Maccabaean period.
This would place it sometime before 164 B.C.E. Dates for the earliest portions have ranged from sometime in the 300's B.C.E. to 200 B.C.E.
R. H. Charles was the leading expert on the subject in the early part of the 20th century. He argued the book of Enoch was written over a period of years.
The latest portions were written in 64 B.C.E. The earliest portions were written during the above mentioned pre-Maccabaean period. However, even Charles stopped short of claiming his dates as exact.
The book of Enoch (I Enoch) belongs to a collection of writings known as the Apocalyptic Literature. According to sacred-texts.com , the Apocalyptic Literature surfaced extensively in the years between 200 and 150 B.C.E......http://www.israel-a-history-of.com/the-book-of-enoch.html
For reading: The Apocalypse of Weeks – 1 Enoch 93:1-10; 91:11-17
*Britannica “Apocalypse of Weeks,” "written shortly before the Maccabean uprising of 167 BC against the Seleucids. Other sections, especially those dealing with astronomical and cosmological speculations, are difficult to date. "
How We Got Our Bible: Christian History Timeline
A brief chronology of how we got 'The Good Book'
Early Development
c. 1400–400 B.C. Books of the Hebrew Old Testament written
c. 250–200 B.C. The Septuagint, a popular Greek translation of the Old Testament, produced
A.D. 45–85? Books of the Greek New Testament written
90 and 118 Councils of Jamnia give final affirmation to the Old Testament canon (39 books)
140-150 Marcion’s heretical “New Testament” incites orthodox Christians to establish a NT canon.......
The descendants of Seth were called by the name of the Lord ( Genesis 4:25 Genesis 4:26 ). This is not true in reference to the descendants of Cain. The servants of God in all ages have been called the sons of God ( Job 1:6 ;Romans 8:14 ; 1 John 3:2 ). The character of Seth's descendants proves that they were the sons of God ( Genesis 5:3-29 ; Genesis 6:9 ; Genesis 7:1 ). The character of Cain's descendants proves that they were not the sons of God, for Cain himself was a murderer, a fugitive, and vagabond ( Genesis 4:8-14 ), and his descendants were polygamists and murderers ( Genesis 4:17-23 ).
1. New Testament Terms:
Two Greek words are translated "son," teknon, huios, both words indicating sonship by parentage, the former indicating that the sonship has taken place by physical descent, while the latter presents sonship more from the legal side than from the standpoint of relationship. John, who lays special emphasis on sonship by birth, uses teknon, while Paul, in emphasizing sonship from the legal side, as referring to adoption, which was current among the Romans but scarcely if at all known to, or if known, practiced by, the Jews, uses the word huios (John 1:12; Romans 8:14,16,19; Galatians 4:6,7; 1 John 3:1,2).
2. New Testament Doctrine:
Men are not by nature the sons of God, at least not in the sense in which believers in Christ are so called. By nature those outside of Jesus Christ are "children of wrath" (Ephesians 2:3), "of disobedience" (Ephesians 2:2), controlled not by the Spirit of God (Romans 8:14), but by the spirit of disobedience (Ephesians 2:2-4). Men become sons of God in the regenerative and adoptive sense by the acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour (John 1:12; Galatians 3:26). The universal brotherhood which the New Testament teaches is that brotherhood which is based on faith in the Lord Jesus Christ as the divine and only Saviour of the world. And the same is true of the universal Fatherhood of God. It is true that all men are "his offspring" (Acts 17:28) in the sense that they are God's created children; but that the New Testament makes a very clear and striking distinction between sonship by virtue of creation and sonship by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, there can be no reasonable doubt. (More Reading)
1. New Testament Terms:
Two Greek words are translated "son," teknon, huios, both words indicating sonship by parentage, the former indicating that the sonship has taken place by physical descent, while the latter presents sonship more from the legal side than from the standpoint of relationship. John, who lays special emphasis on sonship by birth, uses teknon, while Paul, in emphasizing sonship from the legal side, as referring to adoption, which was current among the Romans but scarcely if at all known to, or if known, practiced by, the Jews, uses the word huios (John 1:12; Romans 8:14,16,19; Galatians 4:6,7; 1 John 3:1,2).
2. New Testament Doctrine:
Men are not by nature the sons of God, at least not in the sense in which believers in Christ are so called. By nature those outside of Jesus Christ are "children of wrath" (Ephesians 2:3), "of disobedience" (Ephesians 2:2), controlled not by the Spirit of God (Romans 8:14), but by the spirit of disobedience (Ephesians 2:2-4). Men become sons of God in the regenerative and adoptive sense by the acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour (John 1:12; Galatians 3:26). The universal brotherhood which the New Testament teaches is that brotherhood which is based on faith in the Lord Jesus Christ as the divine and only Saviour of the world. And the same is true of the universal Fatherhood of God. It is true that all men are "his offspring" (Acts 17:28) in the sense that they are God's created children; but that the New Testament makes a very clear and striking distinction between sonship by virtue of creation and sonship by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, there can be no reasonable doubt. (More Reading)
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Does anyone know the difference between the creationist and the evolutionist's doctrine on the origin of mankind?
Nothing, both believe the same doctrine that all human beings on earth originated from a single male and female of flesh. They only dispute that when men began to multiply upon the face of the earth that daughters were born unto them, having not read that he that is of God heareth God's words: they therefore hear them not, because they are not of God because faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Son of God who made man, male and female. Therefore they are without excuse. [See Matthew 19:4]
Nothing, both believe the same doctrine that all human beings on earth originated from a single male and female of flesh. They only dispute that when men began to multiply upon the face of the earth that daughters were born unto them, having not read that he that is of God heareth God's words: they therefore hear them not, because they are not of God because faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Son of God who made man, male and female. Therefore they are without excuse. [See Matthew 19:4]
you kinda lost me there-- but, it's in keeping with the discussion. I've known people who you weren't quite sure if they were in madness, or just willfully deceiving themselves that they weren't, in order to maintain their grip on reality? that I can almost understand that is a little scary....
or very reassuring.
or very reassuring.