The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”
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I'd hope someone doesn't believe that. 
They are oness pentacostals, you can only have your sins forgiven if you are baptised in the name of Jesus only.
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Actually, we just let all of Scripture say what it says and don't try to explain away what doesn't agree with our presuppositional indoctrination.
You saw me pitting Scripture against Scripture. I saw me referencing more Scripture for a more complete picture as elaborated by the same author, John. So, which one of us has a perspective problem?
You saw me pitting Scripture against Scripture. I saw me referencing more Scripture for a more complete picture as elaborated by the same author, John. So, which one of us has a perspective problem?
God forbid!
We can't even imagine the consequences for a lifestyle like that, ETERNAL consequences. Just not loss of eternal life.
But look at how the Lord Jesus Christ dealt with the self righteous compared to the "sinners."
I believe the self righteous will have MORE to answer for.
We can't even imagine the consequences for a lifestyle like that, ETERNAL consequences. Just not loss of eternal life.
But look at how the Lord Jesus Christ dealt with the self righteous compared to the "sinners."
I believe the self righteous will have MORE to answer for.
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I believe when the Bible, Jesus or the Apostles present salvation using the conditional conjunction IF they mean it to be taken literally. Saying we believe it because we are lazy students of the word or because we have "left our first love" is just an ad hominem accusation. In fact, the belief that we can abandon grace is not just a position derived from the NT but one believed in the Ante Nicene Believers.
These are not"professing christians." This is "on that day" which is judgement day. All knees will bow. All unbelievers(those who are not in the book of life) will profess that Jesus Is Lord. And will plead their case of good works........and He never knew them.
Anyone who has ever trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ for their salvation is a Christian.
Anyone who has ever trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ for their salvation is a Christian.
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And that's the point.
'Professing'
In the UK when a consensus is done, the question of religion many say 'Christian'
Why? Because its cultural.
We have many in our church who are not Christian.
Many are kind, loving and help others.
Yet they are searching.
At least they are not pretending.
'Professing'
In the UK when a consensus is done, the question of religion many say 'Christian'
Why? Because its cultural.
We have many in our church who are not Christian.
Many are kind, loving and help others.
Yet they are searching.
At least they are not pretending.
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studier: I don't decry I am working. I was created to work, and I find working as a new creation to be very natural. In fact, I never found working to be as enjoyable as it is to be working together with Him always seeking to do His will.
E-G: We agree 100 percent on this.
You must have missed the part about working together with God. I'll leave to you to explain why working together doesn't mean to cooperate.
Another misrepresentation but you have to do this to maintain your false narrative.
You can do the work. Here's some guidance: Copy what you wrote into a new post. Explain whether you translated it yourself or please supply the translation identification. Then copy and paste any other English version of the same verse and explain how yours compares and why.
Says the one I've offered on several occasions to cooperate with in the review and analysis of any Scripture we had been discussing only to see you divert into one form of fallacious argument or another.
How about just taking up the task of explaining your latest post of a Scripture. If I agree with you, I'll state it clearly. If not, then I'll attempt to explain why.
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Besides what I said before. The entire verse that says everyone who believes in Him should not perish is a PRESENT TENSE PARTICIPLE of the Greek word BELIEVE. The fact that it is in the PRESENT TENSE indicates that the verse was not talking about a SINGLE PAST decision to believe but an ONGOING one. It means that we "believe and keep believing" That is not "spin" it is simply the grammatical sense of the word.