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pinkdiamond may have a better answers but I will try....
what we have found is 3 fold....First, you must train your church what I talked about in the other post, you must train them on how to change their own worldview and mindsets in order to relate to this generation...you must get your older saints to get out of traditionalist religious mind sets, you have to mentor them on radical Jesus and radical Love...
Second for the age group, you have to show them how relevant radical faith in Jesus Christ is to their world....the real Gospel coupled with real radical love and how a real radical Jesus was relevant then and now...This is not so much about Father at first, as much as it about Jesus and the Holy Ghost.....you accept them for who they are and know before hand it will be a work in progress...once this age group puts trust in you...you had better deliver the goods....
Lastly, We spend months teaching and preaching about identity in Christ, that they are Who God Says they are....Once they get who they are in Christ...they turn into meat demanding snapping crocodiles ....its a glorious thing to witness...they then go out and get dirty in ministry....and become world changers....and then as the Sr. Pastor you start praying for the floating axe head, because there is not room enough for the expansion of people coming to the house....
That is really very topical and not all inclusive, but preaching identity is key....and there is simply not enough room to expound on that topic...it is something we never hear preached on....but such a foundation and solid Bible Truth...when you preach Identity correctly, this generation stops and many leave social media and other entanglements, because the one thing they have always lacked is finding who they are in this dark world....
I often say many times that YOU ARE WHO GOD SAYS YOU ARE!.......once anyone gets that revelation the devil loses most if not all his power over a new creation in Jesus Christ.....
thanks for the question it was a good one
Righteousness is a gift from being in Christ. Romans 5:17. If some think that is "imagining things" then so be it. We walk by faith and not by sight.
Again when posts are taken out of context - it is deceitful but of course being deceitful is ok to some people that live in "sinless perfection in the flesh" doctrines.
Here is what I said concerning being self-focused or Christ focused. Hopefully it'll help some people out to see what I said "in context"
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One can be self-focused or Christ-focused. We choose to be Christ focused and to believe what He did for us on the cross and in our resurrection with Him with the creation of the new man.....the inner man of the heart created in Christ Jesus in righteousness and true holiness. We identify that our "old man" dies with Him and that we have been raised up in the new man in Christ now..seek Him now!
That we believe His life in us changes us. We believe grace teaches us how to live in this world.
I realize that these beliefs in the grace of God....especially the acceptance grace and the total forgiveness that Jesus bought and paid for with His blood....that these can be offensive to our religious beliefs and what we have been taught in church.
This gospel of the wondrous grace of Christ has had a beautiful affect on me. I am more in love with Jesus and the Father more then ever....in love with studying His word....praying in the spirit constantly with a heart full of joy!
This gospel has given me a compassion for other people and to reach out in love to them. To give more than I ever have with a heart full of love.
To live a holier life in Him...to be a witness of the life and love of our Lord in me.
If these are the horrible fruit of the grace of Christ in me....I want more!.....hyper-grace me more please my Lord and God!
I'm really not interested in substitutes....I tried this self-effort / self-performance religion in the past and I have found it a very poor substitute for knowing Jesus.
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Again when posts are taken out of context - it is deceitful but of course being deceitful is ok to some people that live in "sinless perfection in the flesh" doctrines.
Here is what I said concerning being self-focused or Christ focused. Hopefully it'll help some people out to see what I said "in context"
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One can be self-focused or Christ-focused. We choose to be Christ focused and to believe what He did for us on the cross and in our resurrection with Him with the creation of the new man.....the inner man of the heart created in Christ Jesus in righteousness and true holiness. We identify that our "old man" dies with Him and that we have been raised up in the new man in Christ now..seek Him now!
That we believe His life in us changes us. We believe grace teaches us how to live in this world.
I realize that these beliefs in the grace of God....especially the acceptance grace and the total forgiveness that Jesus bought and paid for with His blood....that these can be offensive to our religious beliefs and what we have been taught in church.
This gospel of the wondrous grace of Christ has had a beautiful affect on me. I am more in love with Jesus and the Father more then ever....in love with studying His word....praying in the spirit constantly with a heart full of joy!
This gospel has given me a compassion for other people and to reach out in love to them. To give more than I ever have with a heart full of love.
To live a holier life in Him...to be a witness of the life and love of our Lord in me.
If these are the horrible fruit of the grace of Christ in me....I want more!.....hyper-grace me more please my Lord and God!
I'm really not interested in substitutes....I tried this self-effort / self-performance religion in the past and I have found it a very poor substitute for knowing Jesus.
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http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ea-response-michael-brown-13.html#post2410749
Thank you for the response. You are in this age group. What has kept you focused on Christ? What are some things that you feel that we should be doing to reach your age group?
I do have a problem when you say that we do not need another religion based on morality. Christianity is the cornerstone of morality. As we watch it decline, we are seeing more and more of the reprobate mind of the world. I hope that you are not saying that we should condone that which God called sin.
Here's what I have picked in the Grace vs Legalism debate. The real argument revolves around how to define repentance, celebration of the feast, and keeping the Ten Commandments (in particular, the day of the Sabbath). On the critical part of repentance, both seem to agree that we must repent when we accept Christ. Fine. Beyond that both seem to disagree on how to repent. Fine. The argument on feasts is petty. God accepts the heart of the feasters and those who don't. The Ten Commandments. Wow. With the exception of the actual day of the Sabbath, everyone has no real problem with the others. God has addressed that several times in the New Testament. If you obey his new commandments, you have no problem with the way you celebrate the Sabbath. In short, being a legalist doesn't cost salvation, but it sure makes it hard on the believer. Grace believers don't have a salvation problem, but they can easily have a sin problem and not recognize it. Some times it's good to sit down and identify and repent. Yes, Christ has already forgiven us, but he did say that he was faithful to forgive and restore us.
For the JP and Grace/Legalism argument. Enough is enough. Let's get down to what really needs to be discussed. I believe that God told us to go, teach, and baptize.
Now that I've got that off my chest. You are another in the 10 to 35 age group. What has kept you faithful? How do you think we can reach others in this age group?
I do have a problem when you say that we do not need another religion based on morality. Christianity is the cornerstone of morality. As we watch it decline, we are seeing more and more of the reprobate mind of the world. I hope that you are not saying that we should condone that which God called sin.
Here's what I have picked in the Grace vs Legalism debate. The real argument revolves around how to define repentance, celebration of the feast, and keeping the Ten Commandments (in particular, the day of the Sabbath). On the critical part of repentance, both seem to agree that we must repent when we accept Christ. Fine. Beyond that both seem to disagree on how to repent. Fine. The argument on feasts is petty. God accepts the heart of the feasters and those who don't. The Ten Commandments. Wow. With the exception of the actual day of the Sabbath, everyone has no real problem with the others. God has addressed that several times in the New Testament. If you obey his new commandments, you have no problem with the way you celebrate the Sabbath. In short, being a legalist doesn't cost salvation, but it sure makes it hard on the believer. Grace believers don't have a salvation problem, but they can easily have a sin problem and not recognize it. Some times it's good to sit down and identify and repent. Yes, Christ has already forgiven us, but he did say that he was faithful to forgive and restore us.
For the JP and Grace/Legalism argument. Enough is enough. Let's get down to what really needs to be discussed. I believe that God told us to go, teach, and baptize.
Now that I've got that off my chest. You are another in the 10 to 35 age group. What has kept you faithful? How do you think we can reach others in this age group?
Thanks for the response.
We began much like this seven years ago. We are beginning to see the fruits of this effort. The key to our success, has been an excellent youth ministry that has drawn parents of children and youth into our church. In return we involve the parents in both our youth ministry and our community outreach. Our pastor teaches a Sunday School class for these young people that focuses on Christ, Family, and Service. We still are searching for ways to draw young single adults without children into our program.
We began much like this seven years ago. We are beginning to see the fruits of this effort. The key to our success, has been an excellent youth ministry that has drawn parents of children and youth into our church. In return we involve the parents in both our youth ministry and our community outreach. Our pastor teaches a Sunday School class for these young people that focuses on Christ, Family, and Service. We still are searching for ways to draw young single adults without children into our program.
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My answers are based on my own life and personal experiences. I'm sure others my age in this forum may have other good points to add. I did like a few points already made by others in this thread. I think it was eph610 who mentioned hypocrisy in the church and Stephen who brought up the lack of bible reading and studying of Scripture. I definitely agree with both those points and they relate to what I will share about my own life experiences.
I think the only reason I have been able to stay focused and committed to my faith ( apart from the grace of God) is that I have been extremely fortunate to have a few adults in my life that were very committed to Christ. I have definitely witnessed my share of hypocrisy and fake religion and it is disheartening. That being said, I also had a few examples of Christians that endured a lot of flack, ostracism, and isolation for the gospel and remained committed. Sadly it is often other professing Christians that do the most persecuting. I'm not saying these adults were perfect, but when push came to shove it was evident that they loved God more than anything else. I saw first hand that real Christianity can cost you everything and that some do joyfully give up everything for Christ. I guess you could say that it was sobering. I think that is part of the point I was making earlier about there needing to be a sense of reality. Witnessing these examples reinforced the words of Christ and truth of the gospel. The gospel is still the same today and the experiences of real Christians are still the same today as they were during the Roman Empire ( minus perhaps the physical persecution in this part of the world). The examples I saw really resonated with me. If you see someone remain steadfast and endure hardships for the gospel it makes you value faith and you view faith in Christ to be worth something.
In addition to this, I was fortunate to be raised in an environment that stressed a personal relationship with Christ. I think too often, kids get raised in religion and take faith for granted or view it as their parent's faith. If there is never an emphasis on the experiential aspect of Christianity there isn't a real foundation.
I almost laughed when I read eph610's comments about silly small groups or parties. I personally really dislike those. I think he was absolutely right when he stated that Christians need to be more focused on reaching the unsaved and be able to relate to them. Stephen's comments were also spot on. There needs to be an emphasis on systematic study of the scripture and church history. If you haven't been properly educated on the core principles of your faith it is very easy to be shaken once you start college.
I think the only reason I have been able to stay focused and committed to my faith ( apart from the grace of God) is that I have been extremely fortunate to have a few adults in my life that were very committed to Christ. I have definitely witnessed my share of hypocrisy and fake religion and it is disheartening. That being said, I also had a few examples of Christians that endured a lot of flack, ostracism, and isolation for the gospel and remained committed. Sadly it is often other professing Christians that do the most persecuting. I'm not saying these adults were perfect, but when push came to shove it was evident that they loved God more than anything else. I saw first hand that real Christianity can cost you everything and that some do joyfully give up everything for Christ. I guess you could say that it was sobering. I think that is part of the point I was making earlier about there needing to be a sense of reality. Witnessing these examples reinforced the words of Christ and truth of the gospel. The gospel is still the same today and the experiences of real Christians are still the same today as they were during the Roman Empire ( minus perhaps the physical persecution in this part of the world). The examples I saw really resonated with me. If you see someone remain steadfast and endure hardships for the gospel it makes you value faith and you view faith in Christ to be worth something.
In addition to this, I was fortunate to be raised in an environment that stressed a personal relationship with Christ. I think too often, kids get raised in religion and take faith for granted or view it as their parent's faith. If there is never an emphasis on the experiential aspect of Christianity there isn't a real foundation.
I almost laughed when I read eph610's comments about silly small groups or parties. I personally really dislike those. I think he was absolutely right when he stated that Christians need to be more focused on reaching the unsaved and be able to relate to them. Stephen's comments were also spot on. There needs to be an emphasis on systematic study of the scripture and church history. If you haven't been properly educated on the core principles of your faith it is very easy to be shaken once you start college.
Thank you for the response.
I too believe that there must be a systematic study of the Scriptures. Church history is almost always neglected.
Many young Christian families have trouble with family Bible study because they lack a solid foundation in the Scriptures. We addressed two ways. First, our worship service is a teaching ministry. We cover one Book of the Bible at a time. All of our education programs follow along the worship topic. Second, our young adult class stresses the application of scripture in our every day life.
How and when would you teach church history?
I too believe that there must be a systematic study of the Scriptures. Church history is almost always neglected.
Many young Christian families have trouble with family Bible study because they lack a solid foundation in the Scriptures. We addressed two ways. First, our worship service is a teaching ministry. We cover one Book of the Bible at a time. All of our education programs follow along the worship topic. Second, our young adult class stresses the application of scripture in our every day life.
How and when would you teach church history?
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That sounds good. I really like your approach to studying one book of the Bible to completion at a time. You really get a good handle on that portion of Scripture.
I know this is going to sound very funny, but I learned so many biblical truths and bible verse from puppets and cartoons. I don't think kids are ever too young to learn about the Bible. There were so many animated Bible series available. I remember them all very vividly. By the time I was school aged and leaning how to read, I already knew the stories of most of the major OT characters and the basic details of the life of Christ from watching these cartoons.I think because it was presented in an exciting way it made it easier to follow and remember. I don't think there is anything wrong with teaching very serious subjects this way.
I think most kids who are middle school aged are old enough to comprehend simple church history lessons. Maybe start with the apostles in the early church and move onto Roman emperors and persecution. Then introduce to the dark ages, reformation etc. I'm sure that those with a teaching background would be the best to ask for input on how to set up the lessons. I don't see it as any different from learning about the Pilgrims and colonists in grade school. I wasn't that old when I read an adapted version of Pilgrim's Progress and various biographies of missionaries, etc.
I know this is going to sound very funny, but I learned so many biblical truths and bible verse from puppets and cartoons. I don't think kids are ever too young to learn about the Bible. There were so many animated Bible series available. I remember them all very vividly. By the time I was school aged and leaning how to read, I already knew the stories of most of the major OT characters and the basic details of the life of Christ from watching these cartoons.I think because it was presented in an exciting way it made it easier to follow and remember. I don't think there is anything wrong with teaching very serious subjects this way.
I think most kids who are middle school aged are old enough to comprehend simple church history lessons. Maybe start with the apostles in the early church and move onto Roman emperors and persecution. Then introduce to the dark ages, reformation etc. I'm sure that those with a teaching background would be the best to ask for input on how to set up the lessons. I don't see it as any different from learning about the Pilgrims and colonists in grade school. I wasn't that old when I read an adapted version of Pilgrim's Progress and various biographies of missionaries, etc.
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I believe that in order to understand the new creation in Christ we need to know that "we are not in the flesh". That is the real us the new creation that is in Christ.
The flesh is NOT the real us. This does NOT mean that we are not responsible for yielding to the flesh and we will reap consequences on this earth for yielding to the flesh. Take up shooting heroin in your arms and we will find "things" out very quickly.
Romans 8 talks about this not being in the flesh - in other words not the real us. When this body dies - the flesh is NOT going with us to be with the Lord - the real us is leaving. The new creation that is in Christ now is the real us that will be with the Lord.
The requirements of the law were fulfilled by Christ"in" us - NOT "by" us because we are "in Christ". Jesus Himself fulfilled all the requirements of the Law.
Romans 8:3-4 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
We do not walk according to the flesh because we are not in the flesh now - but in the Spirit.
Romans 8:9-10 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
If we would only preach the gospel of the grace of Christ and what happened to us when we became a new creation - we would "awake to righteousness" that is in us in our true self that is our inner man created in righteousness and holiness and "sin not" - in it's many forms - including deceit, malice and slander.
Then the life of Christ would be manifested in our lives and we wouldn't have to make up religions like the D.I.Y self-righteousness/holiness one.
We can trust the life of Christ that is in us believers now which manifests as the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus to lead us in this life as we are all children of God now and are being led by the Holy Spirit. Romans 8:14
We live now by the life of Christ.
Colossians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
This is not gnosctism but I can see where a religious mindset could distort this and become gnosctism and create their own sect when it formed in the early church world.
The flesh is NOT the real us. This does NOT mean that we are not responsible for yielding to the flesh and we will reap consequences on this earth for yielding to the flesh. Take up shooting heroin in your arms and we will find "things" out very quickly.
Romans 8 talks about this not being in the flesh - in other words not the real us. When this body dies - the flesh is NOT going with us to be with the Lord - the real us is leaving. The new creation that is in Christ now is the real us that will be with the Lord.
The requirements of the law were fulfilled by Christ"in" us - NOT "by" us because we are "in Christ". Jesus Himself fulfilled all the requirements of the Law.
Romans 8:3-4 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
We do not walk according to the flesh because we are not in the flesh now - but in the Spirit.
Romans 8:9-10 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
If we would only preach the gospel of the grace of Christ and what happened to us when we became a new creation - we would "awake to righteousness" that is in us in our true self that is our inner man created in righteousness and holiness and "sin not" - in it's many forms - including deceit, malice and slander.
Then the life of Christ would be manifested in our lives and we wouldn't have to make up religions like the D.I.Y self-righteousness/holiness one.
We can trust the life of Christ that is in us believers now which manifests as the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus to lead us in this life as we are all children of God now and are being led by the Holy Spirit. Romans 8:14
We live now by the life of Christ.
Colossians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
This is not gnosctism but I can see where a religious mindset could distort this and become gnosctism and create their own sect when it formed in the early church world.
I said this a few times before and I will say it again..the natural mind of man cannot see the realities of the new creation in Christ.
It will constantly be trying to refute the new inner man created in righteousness and holiness and it will be complete foolishness to it and "appear" to be gnostic.
( another derogatory term sometimes used to try to discredit the truth about the new creation in Christ is "disassociated identity" )
This is where some come up with having to "maintain" their salvation for going to be with the Lord.
One of the reasons gnostics were birthed is because of the truth the apostles were talking about in the new birth in Christ - the new man circumcised with the hand of God in separating the flesh from the inner man in Christ...aka the circumcision of Christ or also called circumcision of the heart. Col 2:11
The natural mind of man took over and created their own "reality" - apart from Christ. That is where gnosticism "appears" to be like the truth of the new creation in Christ but it is not.
This isn't even remotely close to true believers in Christ. Everything to do with the new creation is because we are "in Christ"..Paul talked about the true believer being in Christ in some form over 140X times in his letters.
John makes it very clear. The one born of God cannot sin - the new creation in Christ. It is in the present tense and the present tense is always in the present whether you sin one time or a million times. Some translations have tried to water this down by saying "does not habitually sin".
This is just adding their own bias to it because they really don't know what to do with it because they know that every Christian has sinned after coming to Christ and they do still sin in the flesh. ( except of course to those that are sinless in their flesh...
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1 John 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 5:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
Jesus keeps us because we are in Him - in Christ and we are joined as one spirit with Him. This is why the new creation cannot sin - not once nor a hundred times and sin is quarantined in the flesh. Again - we are still responsible with what we do in the flesh.
It will constantly be trying to refute the new inner man created in righteousness and holiness and it will be complete foolishness to it and "appear" to be gnostic.
( another derogatory term sometimes used to try to discredit the truth about the new creation in Christ is "disassociated identity" )
This is where some come up with having to "maintain" their salvation for going to be with the Lord.
One of the reasons gnostics were birthed is because of the truth the apostles were talking about in the new birth in Christ - the new man circumcised with the hand of God in separating the flesh from the inner man in Christ...aka the circumcision of Christ or also called circumcision of the heart. Col 2:11
The natural mind of man took over and created their own "reality" - apart from Christ. That is where gnosticism "appears" to be like the truth of the new creation in Christ but it is not.
This isn't even remotely close to true believers in Christ. Everything to do with the new creation is because we are "in Christ"..Paul talked about the true believer being in Christ in some form over 140X times in his letters.
John makes it very clear. The one born of God cannot sin - the new creation in Christ. It is in the present tense and the present tense is always in the present whether you sin one time or a million times. Some translations have tried to water this down by saying "does not habitually sin".
This is just adding their own bias to it because they really don't know what to do with it because they know that every Christian has sinned after coming to Christ and they do still sin in the flesh. ( except of course to those that are sinless in their flesh...
)1 John 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 5:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
Jesus keeps us because we are in Him - in Christ and we are joined as one spirit with Him. This is why the new creation cannot sin - not once nor a hundred times and sin is quarantined in the flesh. Again - we are still responsible with what we do in the flesh.
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Taking your whole post in consideration, but mainly this above.
We focus on Christ and His mind,PERIOD. Family and service comes to those who know His mind. These things are left up to the individual believer, we don't teach family and service. Every believer is a priest of their own life. Service and how they run their family is between God and them.
God has good works prepared for each and every believer. We don't know these good work's and can't teach them. But if the believer knows the mind of Christ that believer can serve and run his/her family exactly the way God intended for that individual.
Why focus on how to draw certain individuals? Draw WHOSOEVER.Teach the mind of Christ, and those who WANT the truth will come. And it may just be ONE person. because the majority don't want it. Why use a dog and pony show/scheme to draw those who just want their ears tickled, entertainment or relationship with people? Relationship with Him and His mind..........causes people to serve, sets the divine principles for family and relationship with people and Him.
We focus on Christ and His mind,PERIOD. Family and service comes to those who know His mind. These things are left up to the individual believer, we don't teach family and service. Every believer is a priest of their own life. Service and how they run their family is between God and them.
God has good works prepared for each and every believer. We don't know these good work's and can't teach them. But if the believer knows the mind of Christ that believer can serve and run his/her family exactly the way God intended for that individual.
Why focus on how to draw certain individuals? Draw WHOSOEVER.Teach the mind of Christ, and those who WANT the truth will come. And it may just be ONE person. because the majority don't want it. Why use a dog and pony show/scheme to draw those who just want their ears tickled, entertainment or relationship with people? Relationship with Him and His mind..........causes people to serve, sets the divine principles for family and relationship with people and Him.
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It's a subtle difference.
1.There are those who claim they are making Jesus Christ Lord of their life.
2. There are those who claim that Jesus Christ is Lord of their life.
We Don't make Jesus Christ Lord of our lives. He IS Lord of our lives.
Do you see the difference? Anyone who says," Have you made Jesus Lord of your life." RUN.
1.There are those who claim they are making Jesus Christ Lord of their life.
2. There are those who claim that Jesus Christ is Lord of their life.
We Don't make Jesus Christ Lord of our lives. He IS Lord of our lives.
Do you see the difference? Anyone who says," Have you made Jesus Lord of your life." RUN.
This is where I can sense God's hurt and feel incredibly frustrated with the world. Christianity does not exemplify rules and regulations in the least. Any time God creates a boundary for us, it's for our own God. Christianity is true liberation, it sets us free, it protects whilst giving us the best freedoms a soul can imagine. I wish the world knew Christianity and knew Christ they way I know Him and His ways.
God is loves His people so so so so much and He's just waiting for them to come to Him. He wants us all to be happy and to see the good in following His ways for the benefit of ourselves, others and all of our Salvation. I couldn't imagine being anything other than a Christian in this life, it really is the saving grace and the best, the only way to be truly fulfilled and happy.
This where we should stop. This sentence is all wrong. "The world sees", who cares what the world
sees, it is lost and will never be found.
The biggest lie that the "church" fell for was they had arrived and there was a world to win.
So change the gospel, change everything so the world is happy. That is just stop being
christians and the world will be happy with you. Duhhhhhhhhh.
No. Find out why you do not know Christ well enough to understand the only problem is walking
closer with Christ and understanding what purity, holiness and love really are.
If you want to be fishers of men, you need to know Christ and he needs to have transformed
you. And the key question is how many people do you know deeply? Jesus has always been
a relationship guy, it is what the kingdom is about.
sees, it is lost and will never be found.
The biggest lie that the "church" fell for was they had arrived and there was a world to win.
So change the gospel, change everything so the world is happy. That is just stop being
christians and the world will be happy with you. Duhhhhhhhhh.
No. Find out why you do not know Christ well enough to understand the only problem is walking
closer with Christ and understanding what purity, holiness and love really are.
If you want to be fishers of men, you need to know Christ and he needs to have transformed
you. And the key question is how many people do you know deeply? Jesus has always been
a relationship guy, it is what the kingdom is about.
The world can never make sense of the true church because it's part of God's kingdom & it can't be discerned with the carnal mind.
When the world can make sense of the church, it's because the church has become so worldly it no heavenly good.
BTW, ever noticed how the world is drawn to the megachurches?
When the world can make sense of the church, it's because the church has become so worldly it no heavenly good.
BTW, ever noticed how the world is drawn to the megachurches?
Unless of course, "you are still in the flesh" and are in denial just ignoring the reality of your condition as JP teaches. Many HG followers claim to sin every day and to wilful sin, does that sound like walking in the Spirit or still being "in the flesh?"
I would compare this mindset to be much like a drunkard who professes he is sober, but then professes he still willfully gets drunk every day. Is this drunkard being honest with himself, or is he in total denial of his wretched condition? Now JP might tell this drunkard "don't be sin conscious" "just look at Jesus that is who you really are". So the drunkard then professes himself "I am the righteousness of God!" and I am sober! But then goes right back to getting drunk again on a daily basis, slipping and sliding in his own vomit.
Is walking in daily drunkenness being like Jesus Christ? Is that walking in the Spirit and in righteousness, or is that walking in the flesh and in sin? The truth is JP teaches his followers to ignore their sins and proclaim themselves to be "perfect" and holy, and the righteousness of God, but in reality there has been no true spiritual rebirth. And if they would go against what JP teaches and just examine themselves as God says, then they would see the reality of their situation and perhaps no longer deny their true condition. Then perhaps they would be humbled from there present position of pride and self righteousness and self justification and cry out to God in sincerity to truly heal them.
But they continue to harden their hearts and say we already see, even though they remain blind and in sin.
Matthew 13:15
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
John 9:39
And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
John 9:41
Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
I would compare this mindset to be much like a drunkard who professes he is sober, but then professes he still willfully gets drunk every day. Is this drunkard being honest with himself, or is he in total denial of his wretched condition? Now JP might tell this drunkard "don't be sin conscious" "just look at Jesus that is who you really are". So the drunkard then professes himself "I am the righteousness of God!" and I am sober! But then goes right back to getting drunk again on a daily basis, slipping and sliding in his own vomit.
Is walking in daily drunkenness being like Jesus Christ? Is that walking in the Spirit and in righteousness, or is that walking in the flesh and in sin? The truth is JP teaches his followers to ignore their sins and proclaim themselves to be "perfect" and holy, and the righteousness of God, but in reality there has been no true spiritual rebirth. And if they would go against what JP teaches and just examine themselves as God says, then they would see the reality of their situation and perhaps no longer deny their true condition. Then perhaps they would be humbled from there present position of pride and self righteousness and self justification and cry out to God in sincerity to truly heal them.
But they continue to harden their hearts and say we already see, even though they remain blind and in sin.
Matthew 13:15
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
John 9:39
And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
John 9:41
Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.