The Red Sea Crossing

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oldhermit said:
Looks like everyone is examining everything but the scriptures.
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Im just not as familiar with the names and locations yet. Once i am im sure it will all aline just right. There is alot of study there to read everything right. its late so im not going into the Bible about it just yet. Maybe tomarrow i will closely read about it.
 
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
The thing is, no water erosion is going to take place on granite in that short of a period of time. Water erosion on granite takes thousands upon thousand of years. Water itself does not erode rock; it is the rock particles carried in water that erode. If this was drinking water coming out of the ground, it should have been fairly pure. Even if it wasn't, no erosion would have occurred in just a few days time.
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There is not doubt that there is evidence of water erosion at this location. Such erosion could be attributed to mere rainfall since there is not place here for the rain to go it would naturally flow down hill. To claim this is the rock that Moses struck to obtain water is a quantum leap conjecture.
 
nathan3 said:
Im just not as familiar with the names and locations yet. Once i am im sure it will all aline just right. There is alot of study there to read everything right. its late so im not going into the Bible about it just yet. Maybe tomarrow i will closely read about it.
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I did not expect you to do this right now. It took me months of research to get to the bottom of this. I began this research wanting very much for Ron to be correct in his conclusion. The fact is, he simply wasn't.
 
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
The thing is, no water erosion is going to take place on granite in that short of a period of time. Water erosion on granite takes thousands upon thousand of years. Water itself does not erode rock; it is the rock particles carried in water that erode. If this was drinking water coming out of the ground, it should have been fairly pure. Even if it wasn't, no erosion would have occurred in just a few days time.
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It really depends on the velocity of the water and the type of rock you're talking about. Say you have limestone vs. granite. Limestone will erode much faster than granite. Stones will also be smoothed faster if it were found in a fast moving stream vs and placid lake. I know of large caves where the substrate was limestone that completely formed within few thousand years. (this dissolving was because of the acidic nature of the water, however, not moving water). Rocks in fast moving streams can probably be smoothed out in a matter of years - water is more powerful than you may think! :)
How long does it take for water erosion to make a rock smooth? - Yahoo! Answers
 
According to Exodus 17-19, the rock that Moses struck for water was at the camp in Rephidim two weeks BEFORE they reached Sinai. This rock is not at Rephidim.
 
Water from the rock of Meribah at Rephidim
Exodus 17:1-7 Water from the rock of Meribah at Rephidim

I believe that it was a geyser in order to smooth the rock and surrounding rocks, and it makes more sense because they were a lot of people and if it would had sprang up small flow of water, it would of taken almost a few days for all the people just to get a sip and which a geyser can spread its water around to everyone a lot quicker.

John 7:38Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”
 
You are right. The camp of Israel probably numbered closer to 3 to 3.5 million Israelites plus the mixed multitude that came out with them plus the vast flocks and herds of livestock. This would have required an output of millions of gallons of water very quickly.

Also we know that Rephidim was in the Sinai peninsula, not in the land of Midian.
 
4enlightment said:
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Steel is even softer than most rock. You're videos don't prove anything. They are using highly abrasive materials in the water to quickly erode softer material. In the case of the split rock, any material in the water would be the same as the rock it is flowing over (same hardness), so erosion would be very slow.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Steel is even softer than most rock. You're videos don't prove anything. They are using highly abrasive materials in the water to quickly erode softer material. In the case of the split rock, any material in the water would be the same as the rock it is flowing over (same hardness), so erosion would be very slow.
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As a waterjet cutting machine manufacturer, I'd like to add that the above answer is correct! A waterjet uses suspended abrasive particles in a high pressure stream of water to do the actual erosion of the material to be cut (pure water alone can cut softer materials like foam, rubber, paper and some species of wood). So - if one were to use small diamond particles instead of crushed rock or alluvial garnet - you could theoretically cut diamond. Now, at a rate of abrasive flow around 1.4 lbs per MINUTE of cutting, the costs involved would be astronomical. Can it be done? Yes. Would it ever be an economical method for cutting diamonds? Not likely.
Can water jet cutters cut diamond? - Yahoo! UK & Ireland Answers




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oldhermit said:
Where do YOU think the Red Sea crossing was and why do you prefer that location?
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I believe it was the gulf of Aqaba.
Kent Hovind laid out a very convincing case for it, and I agree with him.
And please, no Hovind-hating here.
I've met the man personally, and I like him.
 
oldhermit said:
The location in Jabel al Lawz cannot be supported by the route described in Exodus.
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Have you laid out what was their route?
If you did, I missed it.
All I've seen from you so far is where they didn't go.
 
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
But what you are suggesting is just fantasy.
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No, your not having faith in God here. This is historic fact.

Every God believing Christian should realize that God's words are Not fantasy. For a Christian to believe that, is a lack of faith, and when the evidence is there, you really don't need that much faith then, because seeing is believing, because God's words are true.

If you can't believe and still think its a fantasy, after seeing, then your in a heap of hurt. Your not seeing the awesomeness that is God. Know every word there is truth to the letter.


Christianity is not a religion, its a reality . A life, a fact.
 
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Huckleberry said:
I believe it was the gulf of Aqaba.
Kent Hovind laid out a very convincing case for it, and I agree with him.
And please, no Hovind-hating here.
I've met the man personally, and I like him.
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I have not posted it yet but I will later. For now I am just showing what arguments stands against Ron's conclusions.
 
nathan3 said:
No, your not having faith in God here. This is historic fact.

Every God believing Christian should realize that God's words are Not fantasy. For a Christian to believe that, is a lack of faith, and when the evidence is there, you really don't need that much faith then, because seeing is believing, because God's words are true.

If you can't believe and still think its a fantasy, after seeing, then your in a heap of hurt. Your not seeing the awesomeness that is God. Know every word there is truth to the letter.


Christianity is not a religion, its a reality . A life, a fact.
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Faith is not the result of what we can see. Biblical faith is rooted the things we cannot see. Trust the scriptures, not your eyes.
 
Mr Hermit, may i ask your intent on starting this thread if all you are going to do is provide so called "evidence" against Scriptual history?

Also what about the pillars King Solomon placed at the crossing site?

Was Solomon wrong?
 
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