The Return of Jews to Israel

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PeteWaldo said:
Please answer the prior question first.


I take it you meant a time when Gentiles will discontinue receiving Christ. Or when no more Gentiles come to Christ.
Since you believe that time is "NEVER" then it follows that God will never lift the spirit of slumber that He placed over some Jews eyes.
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Again, this is an idea. and you just stated this will be at the last trump.. which makes no sense. because if that is it. No jew would ever get saved.

The time of the gentiles began with babylon. and will end with the final destruction of the reformed roman empire. it has NOTHING to do with gentiles being saved or not.

So the only question that remains, is whether you believe God blinded them to prevent them from coming to the Gospel, or whether you believe God blinded them to preclude their being able to sin against it in knowledge.

As I remember, earlier you indicated you believe that God blinded them, to condemn them. Is that right?
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God did not blind them. It has been that way since the beginning. remember Isaiah. he thought he was the last prophet. God said he had 700.. funny how paul mentions this.. They blinded themselves in unbelief, read romans 1 and 4. This shows HOW GOD Blinds people.

Scripture said Christ would be a stumbling block to them. they are blind because they still do not think they need saved.. Thats ALL
 
The return of the Jews to Israel is of God, after all God him self put his name upon the land , and gave it to the Jews for ever, and ever, no matter if anyone likes it or not. And not all Jews are un believers, do you not know of Jews For Jesus, out of San Francisco, CA.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Ok, you can't answer. Thanks..

lol.. This makes NO Sense. Since it is AFTER this time that all isreal will repent.. so in your theory. no jews would be saved either,...
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That's patently false and further illustrates why I said I don't have patience with those who don't even read, much less respond to my posts.
AS I SAID, I believe some faithful Jews thatwere blinded so they couldn't sin against the Gospel. Atheist or agnostic Jews suffer the same fate as similarly disposed Gentiles.

Here I had you pegged for a preterist. It will make it easier for me to tailor my replies if I understand what gear you are stuck in.
Are you a John Darby styled 7-year tribulation, pre-trib rapture, rebuilt temple, pre-millinnealist?

Have Jews been condemned for 2,000 years, but those lucky few that happen to be around during a 7-year period on earth be saved through temple sacrifices? Or after, Jesus Second Coming during a 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth?
eternally-gratefull said:
And pauls prophesy would be false. Not to mention. there would be no need to endure to the end.. for what would you be saved for? Not to mention. you disregard most of the OT prophesies.
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I don't abrogate literal passages in the New Testament that are largely not open to interpretation, with figurative language of Old Testament dreams and visions, if that's what you mean.
eternally-gratefull said:
Thats why I said it does not fit.
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It only didn't fit what's in your head.
 
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Abbe said:
The return of the Jews to Israel is of God, after all God him self put his name upon the land , and gave it to the Jews for ever, and ever, no matter if anyone likes it or not. And not all Jews are un believers, do you not know of Jews For Jesus, out of San Francisco, CA.
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I also consider it my land being "graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;" including their irrevocable covenants.
 
Hey Pete are you walid shoebat and if you are maybe you are ready to answer the questions you couldnt answer in Troy Mo. 2010 in front of the church
 
So Isaiah said the jews would get their land back a second time.
Im looking for the prophecy that says they will return for the third time.
I think that page might have fell out my bible. It is getting pretty rugged.:p
 
Well I'll tell ya what, does not matter what you think about it, or what you say about it, does not matter what I think, or say about it, or any one thinks. It matters what God , him self has said , you being graffed in will not get it eather, you are still not a Jew, and God did not make his covenants about Israel with Gentiles, he gave Israel to the JEWS,and them only, so set back and see what God is going to do to anyone that would and take it from them, Jesus Is and was , allways will be a JEW.He is , they are, you are not, and it's not your land.
 
Rom 2:28 -29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
 
Abbe I was cut on the eighth day by a rabbi what does that make me oh and I know the Torah maybe you should look at bet midbar "numbers" to you 15 The Torah is for all no spiecial seeds as many seed as one "zayin resh ayin" Gal 3;16 GOD is not a racist no matter how much we would like HIM to be hope this helps you
 
Abbe said:
Well I'll tell ya what, does not matter what you think about it, or what you say about it, does not matter what I think, or say about it, or any one thinks. It matters what God , him self has said , you being graffed in will not get it eather, you are still not a Jew, and God did not make his covenants about Israel with Gentiles, he gave Israel to the JEWS,and them only, so set back and see what God is going to do to anyone that would and take it from them, Jesus Is and was , allways will be a JEW.He is , they are, you are not, and it's not your land.
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No one will take it from them again:

I will plant Israel in their own land,
never again to be uprooted
from the land I have given them,”says the Lord your God.
Amos9:15
 
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I wonder Abiding? I think it is sure sounds like that same old hate thing. I still havent got the answer back yes or no walid is this you? or maybe there is this great jihad after you still LOL
 
That blindness in part( not compleatly) is happened to Israel that you should be ignorant of this mystery,least ye should be wise in your ow n conceits, that blindness is happened to Israel until the fullness of the gentiles And that salvation could come to the Gentiles. in 26.. and so all Israel, real New testement Israel shall be saved. The Jews and Gentiles are all Israel.Now for us to interpret this as saying that in some later date some Jews will come to Jesus and the whole nation of 2000 years irregardless of their rejection of the messiah and sinnfulness and having died through out that time, are all going to be raised saved and in good standing does not make sense! For that leaves us with the words of Paul speaking to a false belief in his time, "let us do evil that good may come".Remember it was to Abraham seed which is Christ the promises were made! .And that upon his death there is neither Jew or gentile but all one nation in Christ. Old testament says that the believing Jews ,and the gentiles would will both be called." And would be called Isreal. The time of the Gentiles is a time when Jews and Gentiles will come to Christ ,which is manifest to us today.And indeed the gentiles are provoking the Jews to Christ right now!! It is not a one time event. For when the time of the Gentiles is finished truly all Israel will have been saved Because Israel are those who believe in Christ. ,since the Jews and Gentiles are both Israel ,Just as any one who believes is Israel. The time of the gentiles ending is the end of the opportunity of salvation for anyone This is why they are enemies, because Some reject Christ now, and are enemies ,but are Beloved because some can and will turn to Christ.
 
PeteWaldo said:

That's patently false and further illustrates why I said I don't have patience with those who don't even read, much less respond to my posts.
AS I SAID, I believe some faithful Jews thatwere blinded so they couldn't sin against the Gospel. Atheist or agnostic Jews suffer the same fate as similarly disposed Gentiles.

Here I had you pegged for a preterist. It will make it easier for me to tailor my replies if I understand what gear you are stuck in.
Are you a John Darby styled 7-year tribulation, pre-trib rapture, rebuilt temple, pre-millinnealist?

Have Jews been condemned for 2,000 years, but those lucky few that happen to be around during a 7-year period on earth be saved through temple sacrifices? Or after, Jesus Second Coming during a 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth?
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They will be saved when they repent, according to Lev 26. And recieve their true messiah (christ)

God said he WILL USE world events to bring about this repentance. Paul says when it will happen (when the times of the gentiles are complete)

I do not follow men.. so do not put me in with men..
I don't abrogate literal passages in the New Testament that are largely not open to interpretation, with figurative language of Old Testament dreams and visions, if that's what you mean.
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lol.. Ok. So paul lied. And God lied.. thanks

It only didn't fit what's in your head.
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It does not fit the literal interpretation of scripture. Making an allegory of scripture has distorted Gods word and made us come up with many interpretations.. If we would just stick to the literal interpretation as God intended it, there would not be all these different interpretations of the word
 
Abiding said:
So Isaiah said the jews would get their land back a second time.
Im looking for the prophecy that says they will return for the third time.
I think that page might have fell out my bible. It is getting pretty rugged.:p
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they have not been back the first time yet. Only judah returned, and they NEVER had the land as their own, they continued to be under gentile dominion. They had to get permision to rebuild the city..

Isaiah said when they are returned they will have their own control. live in peace. And follow the commands of God. no longer worshiping her idols.

Has not happened yet.. (plus the northern kingdom was never returned. Yep people from the north were in Jeruslam and judah, but they always were. many believers went there when the northern kingdom was destroyed. Yet God said it was gone. :p
 
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