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I loose patience with folks who ignore post after post. Your answer is here:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/60682-return-jews-israel-5.html#post964043
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/60682-return-jews-israel-5.html#post964043
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I lose patience with people who refuse to answer questions.
You have yet to answer. Your making the claim that there will be a time when no more gentiles will recieve Christ, and THIS is the fullness of the gentiles..
so prove it.. or show you can't prove it!
The ressurection of the dead DOES NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION!
It is perfectly clear what I was talking about. Your comments are typical of someone who wants to simply discredit or derail, the comparison I made in my statement is straight forward and easy to understand, jumping up and down saying "who mentioned evolution" is a silly comment to make." If I said "until the cows come home" I expect you would have also commented on "What who mentioned cows anywhere, what have cows got to do with it.".
Claiming I have no idea on what I am saying is also foolish thing to say. Some disaster are Gods judgment. If a country suffers one of the worst disasters of its type in history, you have to start to look to see what the nations leaders did against Israel. Europe suffered the dust cloud, crippling the tourism industry, that came on the back of Europe ruling that Israel can not say Jeruslem is its capital city, resulting in re-writing of tourism brochers and adverts. Hurricane Katrina came to life as the last of the Jews left Gaza, which was result of American meddling.
Claiming I have no idea on what I am saying is also foolish thing to say. Some disaster are Gods judgment. If a country suffers one of the worst disasters of its type in history, you have to start to look to see what the nations leaders did against Israel. Europe suffered the dust cloud, crippling the tourism industry, that came on the back of Europe ruling that Israel can not say Jeruslem is its capital city, resulting in re-writing of tourism brochers and adverts. Hurricane Katrina came to life as the last of the Jews left Gaza, which was result of American meddling.
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Nor do I continue in conversation with people who cannot follow the conversation but keep derailing it and wasting time. The basis of your perception has everything to do with the topic at hand.
After His Second Coming it will be too late for folks to come to Christ. No more Gentiles coming to Christ. That's why I asked you if you believe in the Second Coming of Christ. Some folks actually believe it happened in 70 AD.
Are you suggesting people will be receiving Christ AFTER His Second Coming?
The Second Coming results in the same net effect as when a person dies. They will NEVER have another opportunity. It's all over at the last trump.
After His Second Coming it will be too late for folks to come to Christ. No more Gentiles coming to Christ. That's why I asked you if you believe in the Second Coming of Christ. Some folks actually believe it happened in 70 AD.
Are you suggesting people will be receiving Christ AFTER His Second Coming?
The Second Coming results in the same net effect as when a person dies. They will NEVER have another opportunity. It's all over at the last trump.
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'Sorry, but I have more chance of believing evolution is fact and man evolved than the anti-Semitic hatred and nonsense being spouted off as fact.'
Ok well let us look at what you said, You find it hard to believe people can spout of anti-semetic hatred, your more inclined to believe evolution? Two very different things. Or are you saying that you don't believe anti-semetic hatred can be taken as fact? Well now we are confused. So are you attempting to say you don't believe that people in fact do speak about Jews in a hate filled manner or do you in fact not take hate filled speech as fact? From you sentence it implies the first statement. The difference between as and is is crucial, but that doesn't fix a poorly worded statement with no relevance.
If you don't believe in evolution, I have no interest in talking about it, you seem to give a red herring to alude of your other statements.
Very interesting now who gets to decide which natural disasters are Gods? Are all Gods will? Are only some? Would God destroy innocent people's houses in a very obtuse manner to get across a message which only you could understand? Sounds like a very remote statement with little or no evidence to back up.
Ok well let us look at what you said, You find it hard to believe people can spout of anti-semetic hatred, your more inclined to believe evolution? Two very different things. Or are you saying that you don't believe anti-semetic hatred can be taken as fact? Well now we are confused. So are you attempting to say you don't believe that people in fact do speak about Jews in a hate filled manner or do you in fact not take hate filled speech as fact? From you sentence it implies the first statement. The difference between as and is is crucial, but that doesn't fix a poorly worded statement with no relevance.
If you don't believe in evolution, I have no interest in talking about it, you seem to give a red herring to alude of your other statements.
Very interesting now who gets to decide which natural disasters are Gods? Are all Gods will? Are only some? Would God destroy innocent people's houses in a very obtuse manner to get across a message which only you could understand? Sounds like a very remote statement with little or no evidence to back up.
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Then why don't you take a shot at actually replying to the OP?
I would appreciate it if members began their replies as to whether you believe the restoration of Jews to Israel is of the Lord, as millions believe was prophesied - and as Christians anticipated [through prophecy centuries] long before that restoration began to take place - or whether you believe it is of Satan, and why, or offer another alternative.
I would appreciate it if members began their replies as to whether you believe the restoration of Jews to Israel is of the Lord, as millions believe was prophesied - and as Christians anticipated [through prophecy centuries] long before that restoration began to take place - or whether you believe it is of Satan, and why, or offer another alternative.
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Please answer the prior question first.
I take it you meant a time when Gentiles will discontinue receiving Christ. Or when no more Gentiles come to Christ.
Since you believe that time is "NEVER" then it follows that God will never lift the spirit of slumber that He placed over some Jews eyes.
So the only question that remains, is whether you believe God blinded them to prevent them from coming to the Gospel, or whether you believe God blinded them to preclude their being able to sin against it in knowledge.
As I remember, earlier you indicated you believe that God blinded them, to condemn them. Is that right?
I take it you meant a time when Gentiles will discontinue receiving Christ. Or when no more Gentiles come to Christ.
Since you believe that time is "NEVER" then it follows that God will never lift the spirit of slumber that He placed over some Jews eyes.
So the only question that remains, is whether you believe God blinded them to prevent them from coming to the Gospel, or whether you believe God blinded them to preclude their being able to sin against it in knowledge.
As I remember, earlier you indicated you believe that God blinded them, to condemn them. Is that right?
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Please answer the prior question first.
Additionally, I take it you meant a time when Gentiles will discontinue receiving Christ. Or when no more Gentiles come to Christ.
Since you believe that time is "NEVER" then it follows that God will never lift the spirit of slumber that He placed over some Jews eyes.
So the only question that remains, is whether you believe God blinded them to prevent them from coming to the Gospel, or whether you believe God blinded them to preclude their being able to sin against it in knowledge.
As I remember, earlier you indicated you believe that God blinded them, to condemn them. Is that right?
Additionally, I take it you meant a time when Gentiles will discontinue receiving Christ. Or when no more Gentiles come to Christ.
Since you believe that time is "NEVER" then it follows that God will never lift the spirit of slumber that He placed over some Jews eyes.
So the only question that remains, is whether you believe God blinded them to prevent them from coming to the Gospel, or whether you believe God blinded them to preclude their being able to sin against it in knowledge.
As I remember, earlier you indicated you believe that God blinded them, to condemn them. Is that right?
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Perhaps if I asked it another way. Who's side are you on?
Israeli Muslims? or
Israeli Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs?
Wikipedia article: "In contrast, a poll of 507 Arab-Israelis conducted by the Israeli Democracy Institute in 2007 found that 75 percent profess support for Israel's status as a Jewish and democratic state which guarantees equal rights for minorities. Israeli Arab support for a constitution in general was 88 percent.[31]"
And after global anti-Zionists compelled Israel to abandon the protection Christians had enjoyed in Gaza via the Israeli Jewish state, and turned Gaza over to Islamic rule:
From WND (please read the full article at the link): "'Arab Spring' becoming Nightmare For Christians":
"Christians can In the case of Ayyad, who managed the only Christian bookstore in Gaza, his body was discovered riddled with gunshot and stab wounds."
"The witnesses said they saw three armed men, two of whom were wearing masks, beat Ayyad repeatedly with clubs and the butts of their guns while they accused him of attempting to spread Christianity in Gaza. The witnesses said that after sustaining the beating, Ayyad was shot by all three men."
‘Arab Spring’ becoming nightmare for Christians
From WND "Christians warned: Accept Islamic law"
Christians can only continue living safely in the Gaza Strip if they accept Islamic law, including a ban on alcohol and on women roaming publicly without proper head coverings, an Islamist militant leader in Gaza told WND in an exclusive interview."
The militant leader said Christians in Gaza who engage in "missionary activity" will be "dealt with harshly."
"Jihadia Salafiya and other Islamic movements will ensure Christian schools and institutions show publicly what they are teaching to be sure they are not carrying out missionary activity. No more alcohol on the streets. All women, including non-Muslims, need to understand they must be covered at all times while in public," Abu Asqer told WND.
Christians warned: Accept Islamic law
Israeli Muslims? or
Israeli Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs?
Wikipedia article: "In contrast, a poll of 507 Arab-Israelis conducted by the Israeli Democracy Institute in 2007 found that 75 percent profess support for Israel's status as a Jewish and democratic state which guarantees equal rights for minorities. Israeli Arab support for a constitution in general was 88 percent.[31]"
And after global anti-Zionists compelled Israel to abandon the protection Christians had enjoyed in Gaza via the Israeli Jewish state, and turned Gaza over to Islamic rule:
From WND (please read the full article at the link): "'Arab Spring' becoming Nightmare For Christians":
"Christians can In the case of Ayyad, who managed the only Christian bookstore in Gaza, his body was discovered riddled with gunshot and stab wounds."
"The witnesses said they saw three armed men, two of whom were wearing masks, beat Ayyad repeatedly with clubs and the butts of their guns while they accused him of attempting to spread Christianity in Gaza. The witnesses said that after sustaining the beating, Ayyad was shot by all three men."
‘Arab Spring’ becoming nightmare for Christians
From WND "Christians warned: Accept Islamic law"
Christians can only continue living safely in the Gaza Strip if they accept Islamic law, including a ban on alcohol and on women roaming publicly without proper head coverings, an Islamist militant leader in Gaza told WND in an exclusive interview."
The militant leader said Christians in Gaza who engage in "missionary activity" will be "dealt with harshly."
"Jihadia Salafiya and other Islamic movements will ensure Christian schools and institutions show publicly what they are teaching to be sure they are not carrying out missionary activity. No more alcohol on the streets. All women, including non-Muslims, need to understand they must be covered at all times while in public," Abu Asqer told WND.
Christians warned: Accept Islamic law
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Ok, you can't answer. Thanks..
lol.. This makes NO Sense. Since it is AFTER this time that all isreal will repent.. so in your theory. no jews would be saved either, And pauls prophesy would be false. Not to mention. there would be no need to endure to the end.. for what would you be saved for? Not to mention. you disregard most of the OT prophesies.
Thats why I said it does not fit.
lol.. This makes NO Sense. Since it is AFTER this time that all isreal will repent.. so in your theory. no jews would be saved either, And pauls prophesy would be false. Not to mention. there would be no need to endure to the end.. for what would you be saved for? Not to mention. you disregard most of the OT prophesies.
Thats why I said it does not fit.
Honest answer?
Many view it from a theological/rational mindset.
They rationalise that it happened according to powerful Jews in America, or give other reasons, they will discuss the balfour declaration and much more, they see it from a human viewpoint. I don't. There's so many scriptures that prophesied it would happen, that's enough for me. I have no interest in theologising it, looking at what may have appeared to happen by the mind/decisions of man, I simply accept the scriptures. I guess I'll never fit in that well on a theological debating website will I!
Many view it from a theological/rational mindset.
They rationalise that it happened according to powerful Jews in America, or give other reasons, they will discuss the balfour declaration and much more, they see it from a human viewpoint. I don't. There's so many scriptures that prophesied it would happen, that's enough for me. I have no interest in theologising it, looking at what may have appeared to happen by the mind/decisions of man, I simply accept the scriptures. I guess I'll never fit in that well on a theological debating website will I!
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I think the fact that a nation who was dispersed for 2000 years. and is still a nation. and back in their land as prophesied. this could not be from satan, For satan would be playing into Gods hands.
Can you name another nation completely disperesed and lost their land completely in the history of mankind who returned?
Thats like saying Jesus healed by the power of satan. and not by the power of God.
Can you name another nation completely disperesed and lost their land completely in the history of mankind who returned?
Thats like saying Jesus healed by the power of satan. and not by the power of God.