The Rules

[Lanolin]

My friend just told me today what a nightmare being an au pair was for a wealthy couple while she was living in Germany.
It wasn't the children that were terrible, it was the parents.

 

[Karlon]

Amazing I never would have thought you looked Dutch, Scottish or Irish?

I imagine a Dutch/Scottish/Irish mix would sort of look like this


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not me, my wife looks s., d. & i. i'm polish mostly.

 

[Karlon]

My friend just told me today what a nightmare being an au pair was for a wealthy couple while she was living in Germany.
It wasn't the children that were terrible, it was the parents.

i believe it. many wealthy people are snobs, surly & churlish. they think they are better than anyone who has less than they do, who pays less taxes than they do, who is not as important as they are & it goes on.

 

[Lanolin]

i believe it. many wealthy people are snobs, surly & churlish. they think they are better than anyone who has less than they do, who pays less taxes than they do, who is not as important as they are & it goes on.

Well, working as an au pair you get to know all about someone's else's dirty laundry. Rich husbands who excuse themselves by claiming work all the time, and never home, are just funding another mistress. Rich wives often don't want to do any parenting, and as they don't need to work my friend said hers had a mental breakdown (possibly due to husbands infidelity) and would just stay in bed all day, and make her do all the housework as well as look after the children.

The children ended up dysfunctional as a result. My friend only lasted 5 months, during that time she was never allowed any break/holiday. If you are a live-in au pair your time is never your own, and you are basically the families servant, at their beck and call. If they don't pay you enough then you are pretty much their slave.

Being a nanny isn't all fun and games like it is in Mary Poppins/The Sound of Music.

 

[Karlon]

Well, working as an au pair you get to know all about someone's else's dirty laundry. Rich husbands who excuse themselves by claiming work all the time, and never home, are just funding another mistress. Rich wives often don't want to do any parenting, and as they don't need to work my friend said hers had a mental breakdown (possibly due to husbands infidelity) and would just stay in bed all day, and make her do all the housework as well as look after the children.

The children ended up dysfunctional as a result. My friend only lasted 5 months, during that time she was never allowed any break/holiday. If you are a live-in au pair your time is never your own, and you are basically the families servant, at their beck and call. If they don't pay you enough then you are pretty much their slave.

Being a nanny isn't all fun and games like it is in Mary Poppins/The Sound of Music.

quite informative. makes me glad that i never had kids!

 

[Lanolin]

Well they do need a lot of looking after, esp at toddler, and school age, more than pets.

I think I could only handle at most 4 at a time, but in school classrooms can be up to 30, and those MLE often have 60 or more in one big barn.

You can't just let babysitters and nannies and school teachers do everything, if you have your own. I don't think it's right, children need their own parents caring for them or at least be present. (and not passed out drunk)

 

[Churchgoer]

If we have to work to make living, count it as a blessing.
But don't work too hard and forget about resting in God.
I enjoy working 40 hours a week, that's it. Rest time for church, fun, ....

 

[Karlon]

If we have to work to make living, count it as a blessing.
But don't work too hard and forget about resting in God.
I enjoy working 40 hours a week, that's it. Rest time for church, fun, ....

millions assent with you. most of my life up until about 6 years ago, i worked around 60 hours a week which was landscaping, bands, coins & antiques. many years were 80 hours a week.

 

[Churchgoer]

millions assent with you. most of my life up until about 6 years ago, i worked around 60 hours a week which was landscaping, bands, coins & antiques. many years were 80 hours a week.

I am actually against working more than 40 hours a week. Shut everything down at 40 per week.

 

[Karlon]

I am actually against working more than 40 hours a week. Shut everything down at 40 per week.

i know lots of people like that. fortunately for my wife & I, we both have lots of energy so we're able to be nonstop. someone said if you are busy all the time, how is that you are on cc commenting? because i'm performing accounting work & antique work thru the computer concomitantly.

 

[Churchgoer]

I am watching our vbs kids singing, blessings

 

[seoulsearch]

I am actually against working more than 40 hours a week. Shut everything down at 40 per week.

i know lots of people like that. fortunately for my wife & I, we both have lots of energy so we're able to be nonstop. someone said if you are busy all the time, how is that you are on cc commenting? because i'm performing accounting work & antique work thru the computer concomitantly.

I understand about not wanting to work too much and burn ourselves out, but I do think, as Karlon is saying, God gives people different capacities.

My parents have always been like Energizer Bunnies -- go, go, go!!!

And like Karlon, 60 and 80 or more hours a week were more common for my Dad than 40.

But he was also able to retire and go into ministry. He and my Mom did financial counseling at churches, helping people get out of debt, for over 20 years -- all on their own time, and at their own cost. When they found out people couldn't afford to buy the most basic course pack materials, they produced their own and handed them out for free.

When a woman who had 32 credit cards maxed out told my Dad she planned on self-deletion, my parents worked with her for 2 years -- and she became debt-free. They met with her every week or more, all on their own time and dime, driving to where she was.

They could not have done this work if my Dad hadn't worked those long hours for so many years (he was also a provider husband, as my Mom quit work to be a stay-at-home mom when us kids came along.)

There are many things in life that, unfortunately, won't be achieved by a 40-hour work week. I'm not saying that's bad, I'm just saying, some people won't reach always achieve what they hope for with 40 hours. When God created the week and said 6 days of work and 1 day of rest, I don't think He ever said how many hours we should be working during those other 6 days. I often wonder what He WOULD mandate the work week to be -- and i would guess that it would be different for different people.

While I would love for everyone to be able to be able to put lower caps on their work hours, unfortunately, it's not possible for some.

If you had a family member who was in a bad car accident and clinging to life in the hospital, you wouldn't want your pastor to say, "Sorry, I can't come visit/pray for your mom/dad/child right now -- I already hit 40 hours this week, and that's my max. I'll get back to you when my next 40 hours kick in."

Same thing with anyone in the medical field and several other professions.

Do people pay with their health for working the long hours? Absolutely. I always say my Dad has had every medical test known to man -- at least twice.

But I've also seen some of the benefits as well.

All my life, people have said told me things like, "Why haven't I achieved what your Dad has?"

And I could tell them that if they really want to, the first thing they're going to have to sacrifice -- is the notion that they'll be working only 40 hours a week.

Of course, there are some exceptions -- but not as many as most people would like.

 

[Lanolin]

The 40 hour work week was something the labour unions insitigated - those working in factories, or on the wharves, mining, etc. Like hard manual labour. Day jobs. If you worked over, you'd have 'over time' or 'time and a half' meaning you can get extra pay for working more. For those on wages (not salary) . It was so you wouldn't exhaust yourself and a way of keeping workers happy, otherwise they'd be totally exploited.

I don't think many people nowadays who work professional jobs understand what it's really like to work in a manual labour job/factory .

 

[Churchgoer]

I understand about not wanting to work too much and burn ourselves out, but I do think, as Karlon is saying, God gives people different capacities.

My parents have always been like Energizer Bunnies -- go, go, go!!!

And like Karlon, 60 and 80 or more hours a week were more common for my Dad than 40.

But he was also able to retire and go into ministry. He and my Mom did financial counseling at churches, helping people get out of debt, for over 20 years -- all on their own time, and at their own cost. When they found out people couldn't afford to buy the most basic course pack materials, they produced their own and handed them out for free.

When a woman who had 32 credit cards maxed out told my Dad she planned on self-deletion, my parents worked with her for 2 years -- and she became debt-free. They met with her every week or more, all on their own time and dime, driving to where she was.

They could not have done this work if my Dad hadn't worked those long hours for so many years (he was also a provider husband, as my Mom quit work to be a stay-at-home mom when us kids came along.)

There are many things in life that, unfortunately, won't be achieved by a 40-hour work week. I'm not saying that's bad, I'm just saying, some people won't reach always achieve what they hope for with 40 hours. When God created the week and said 6 days of work and 1 day of rest, I don't think He ever said how many hours we should be working during those other 6 days. I often wonder what He WOULD mandate the work week to be -- and i would guess that it would be different for different people.

While I would love for everyone to be able to be able to put lower caps on their work hours, unfortunately, it's not possible for some.

If you had a family member who was in a bad car accident and clinging to life in the hospital, you wouldn't want your pastor to say, "Sorry, I can't come visit/pray for your mom/dad/child right now -- I already hit 40 hours this week, and that's my max. I'll get back to you when my next 40 hours kick in."

Same thing with anyone in the medical field and several other professions.

Do people pay with their health for working the long hours? Absolutely. I always say my Dad has had every medical test known to man -- at least twice.

But I've also seen some of the benefits as well.

All my life, people have said told me things like, "Why haven't I achieved what your Dad has?"

And I could tell them that if they really want to, the first thing they're going to have to sacrifice -- is the notion that they'll be working only 40 hours a week.

Of course, there are some exceptions -- but not as many as most people would like.

Definitely understand different mind set.

I felt if we all stick with no extra work, then we give others opportunity to work, to make money, also less super wealthy people, less luxury stuff. Not to mention more time spent with family, more serving to church, local schools, community.

The 40 hours are to bring bread home, but there is home chores too, which is very valuable. Clean, cooking, yard, fixing home...

For dr. And ps. , occasionally emergency happens. The point is not to overwork as a habit. Take rest, value rest. Enjoy family, community time.

 

[Karlon]

I understand about not wanting to work too much and burn ourselves out, but I do think, as Karlon is saying, God gives people different capacities.

My parents have always been like Energizer Bunnies -- go, go, go!!!

And like Karlon, 60 and 80 or more hours a week were more common for my Dad than 40.

But he was also able to retire and go into ministry. He and my Mom did financial counseling at churches, helping people get out of debt, for over 20 years -- all on their own time, and at their own cost. When they found out people couldn't afford to buy the most basic course pack materials, they produced their own and handed them out for free.

When a woman who had 32 credit cards maxed out told my Dad she planned on self-deletion, my parents worked with her for 2 years -- and she became debt-free. They met with her every week or more, all on their own time and dime, driving to where she was.

They could not have done this work if my Dad hadn't worked those long hours for so many years (he was also a provider husband, as my Mom quit work to be a stay-at-home mom when us kids came along.)

There are many things in life that, unfortunately, won't be achieved by a 40-hour work week. I'm not saying that's bad, I'm just saying, some people won't reach always achieve what they hope for with 40 hours. When God created the week and said 6 days of work and 1 day of rest, I don't think He ever said how many hours we should be working during those other 6 days. I often wonder what He WOULD mandate the work week to be -- and i would guess that it would be different for different people.

While I would love for everyone to be able to be able to put lower caps on their work hours, unfortunately, it's not possible for some.

If you had a family member who was in a bad car accident and clinging to life in the hospital, you wouldn't want your pastor to say, "Sorry, I can't come visit/pray for your mom/dad/child right now -- I already hit 40 hours this week, and that's my max. I'll get back to you when my next 40 hours kick in."

Same thing with anyone in the medical field and several other professions.

Do people pay with their health for working the long hours? Absolutely. I always say my Dad has had every medical test known to man -- at least twice.

But I've also seen some of the benefits as well.

All my life, people have said told me things like, "Why haven't I achieved what your Dad has?"

And I could tell them that if they really want to, the first thing they're going to have to sacrifice -- is the notion that they'll be working only 40 hours a week.

Of course, there are some exceptions -- but not as many as most people would like.

holy heavens!!! super of your parents to do that! 32 cards? r u serious? i haven't heard of anyone having more than 10! your parents have everlasting memories! on the subject of work, i tell all the young people, "work as much as you can now including overtime so that in the future you'll have, at least, close to a reasonable bank account. you will own everlasting joyous memories too. someday, you are going to slow down, so think of that too". i hope your dad has top doctors. people like him & i live enough life for 3 or 4 people.

 

[Karlon]

The 40 hour work week was something the labour unions insitigated - those working in factories, or on the wharves, mining, etc. Like hard manual labour. Day jobs. If you worked over, you'd have 'over time' or 'time and a half' meaning you can get extra pay for working more. For those on wages (not salary) . It was so you wouldn't exhaust yourself and a way of keeping workers happy, otherwise they'd be totally exploited.

I don't think many people nowadays who work professional jobs understand what it's really like to work in a manual labour job/factory .

that's a proper crux lanolin. i couldn't stand to be in an office working. no, they don't know. the top example of hard work just may be roofers. if it's 98 degrees on the ground, the air temperature above the roof can be 120 degrees! the roof temperature can reach 160 degrees! imagine working in that for 8 hours! i remember working in temps of 115, 107, 104 & who knows what else. office workers, we are not demeaning you at all but like lanolin said you should cogitate on that & be thankful for all the hard workers in labor because they can struggle too to keep your homes, roads & utilities safe. then winter temps, holy heavens, that's another subject. yes indeed, the unions. protecting workers & their rights, that's big time. i know the guy & his family that initiated the unions in new york.

 

[Churchgoer]

holy heavens!!! super of your parents to do that! 32 cards? r u serious? i haven't heard of anyone having more than 10! your parents have everlasting memories! on the subject of work, i tell all the young people, "work as much as you can now including overtime so that in the future you'll have, at least, close to a reasonable bank account. you will own everlasting joyous memories too. someday, you are going to slow down, so think of that too". i hope your dad has top doctors. people like him & i live enough life for 3 or 4 people.

I tell young people to work full time, 40 hours a week, give God proper offerings, rest manage money wisely, spend less, so work less.

In my 20s 30s I occasionally work overtime, I was young and didn't find the treasure of not working overtime. Then slowly I starting to enjoy the work rest pattern. Now if my office really in need, maybe I will do a little overtime just to show support. But absolutely only once on decades or something. Sunday almost absolutely no work.

Just me. I enjoy rest

 

[seoulsearch]

I tell young people to work full time, 40 hours a week, give God proper offerings, rest manage money wisely, spend less, so work less.

In my 20s 30s I occasionally work overtime, I was young and didn't find the treasure of not working overtime. Then slowly I starting to enjoy the work rest pattern. Now if my office really in need, maybe I will do a little overtime just to show support. But absolutely only once on decades or something. Sunday almost absolutely no work.

Just me. I enjoy rest

I think this is wonderful for anyone who can find this kind of schedule and it provides their needs.

What a blessing!! I'm so glad the Lord has blessed you with something that works for you.

Unfortunately, it won't work for a lot of other people (and often to our benefit.)

Imagine what would happen if people in the medical, clergy, or other crucial services all said they won't work on Sundays:

"So sorry your child was in a life-threatening accident, but the Lord says I can't work on Sundays."

No ambulance, no medical attention, no prayer, and no pastor available.

"Sorry to hear your power lines are down, but our company observes the Sabbath on Sundays. You're just going to have to survive without power for at least another day..." (Imagine if this included your loved ones at the hospital attached to machines running on electricity... Even if they have generators, they won't run forever.)

While I certainly think it's ideal to take the Sabbath on whatever day one believes it should be held, I am completely grateful to those who can observe it on alternate days, because emergencies don't stop just because it's a Sunday.

 

[Churchgoer]

I think this is wonderful for anyone who can find this kind of schedule and it provides their needs.

What a blessing!! I'm so glad the Lord has blessed you with something that works for you.

Unfortunately, it won't work for a lot of other people (and often to our benefit.)

Imagine what would happen if people in the medical, clergy, or other crucial services all said they won't work on Sundays:

"So sorry your child was in a life-threatening accident, but the Lord says I can't work on Sundays."

No ambulance, no medical attention, no prayer, and no pastor available.

"Sorry to hear your power lines are down, but our company observes the Sabbath on Sundays. You're just going to have to survive without power for at least another day..." (Imagine if this included your loved ones at the hospital attached to machines running on electricity... Even if they have generators, they won't run forever.)

While I certainly think it's ideal to take the Sabbath on whatever day one believes it should be held, I am completely grateful to those who can observe it on alternate days, because emergencies don't stop just because it's a Sunday.

Agree, take middle of week off, rotation. Thankfully many church has mid week gatherings.

 

[Lanolin]

I used to work Sundays at the public library but had 2 days off (So Sunday to Thursday) as the city council moved to a seven day operation, and people still needed access to services on Sunday.
I wasn't able to go to any Sunday church morning service, but they do have ones in the evening.

After working for about seven years in this arrangement, I quit my job to have a year off, so I could have my Sabbaths. They were not going to pay for any sabbatical leave. I did ask for some, but you need to be working at least 14 years to take long service leave.

This is what it's like being a Public Servant. Sometimes you need to work overnight, or in shifts because people need looking after they don't just need care 9-5.

The newspapers (back in the day) need to be published overnight to be ready for readers in the morning. Yea office workers just seem to not realise the world does not just revolve around THEIR working week.

Animals need to be fed, plants need to be watered, they not going to skip a day otherwise how you gonna get your fresh veges and meat?