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Wouldn't waste my time. When you give me a real answer I will present the sinners prayer to you. Not one minute earlier
That doesn't necessarily testify to the keeping of the sabbath day. The keeping of the sabbath day is a hallmark of the Jewish people. Nobody else. You will not find that law in any other culture, because the Jews were to be witnesses as God's chosen people, but because it shows what the law cannot do as if man can obtain righteousness by the deeds of the law, when he cannot, it shows what God can through Jesus Chris & His righetousness which is apart from the deeds of the law.
Romans 2:[SUP]12 [/SUP]For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; [SUP]13 [/SUP](For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: [SUP]15 [/SUP]Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
[SUP]16 [/SUP]In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.Romans 3:[SUP]10 [/SUP]As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: [SUP]11 [/SUP]There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. [SUP]12 [/SUP]They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one....[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. [SUP]21 [/SUP]But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; [SUP]22 [/SUP]Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:...........[SUP]26 [/SUP]To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
That include the law of keeping the sabbath day, because you are saved and thus the Lord & His righteousness is able to make you stand.
Romans 14:[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. [SUP]5 [/SUP]One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. [SUP]6 [/SUP]He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
That is why Jesus said that someone greater than the temple was here for those that do not keep the sabbath day shall be blameless for they are the Lord's by His righteousness: not by the righteousness by the deeds of the law.
Matthew 12:1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat. [SUP]2 [/SUP]But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. [SUP]3 [/SUP]But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; [SUP]4 [/SUP]How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? [SUP]5 [/SUP] Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
[SUP]6[/SUP]But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. [SUP]7 [/SUP]But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. [SUP] 8[/SUP]For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
The disciples in the NT broke bread on the first day of the week in holding communion.
Acts 20:[SUP]7 [/SUP]And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
The churches did their collection on the forst day of the week when they had gathered together which was an order set forth by Paul for all of the churches to do.
1 Corinthians 16:1Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
Most sabbath keepers will point verses in Acts when the disciples went into the Jewish synagogues on the sabbath day, but they overlook the fact that they were doing evangelism: not holding a christian church service. They would not get away with it if they actually had tried to do that.
So obviously, the early churches held their services on the first day of the week, in respect to His resurrection as He is our sabbath: our resting place.
That doesn't necessarily testify to the keeping of the sabbath day. The keeping of the sabbath day is a hallmark of the Jewish people. Nobody else. You will not find that law in any other culture, because the Jews were to be witnesses as God's chosen people, but because it shows what the law cannot do as if man can obtain righteousness by the deeds of the law, when he cannot, it shows what God can through Jesus Chris & His righetousness which is apart from the deeds of the law.
Romans 2:[SUP]12 [/SUP]For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; [SUP]13 [/SUP](For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: [SUP]15 [/SUP]Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
Romans 3:[SUP]10 [/SUP]As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: [SUP]11 [/SUP]There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. [SUP]12 [/SUP]They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one....[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. [SUP]21 [/SUP]But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; [SUP]22 [/SUP]Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:...........[SUP]26 [/SUP]To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
That include the law of keeping the sabbath day, because you are saved and thus the Lord & His righteousness is able to make you stand.
Romans 14:[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. [SUP]5 [/SUP]One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. [SUP]6 [/SUP]He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
That is why Jesus said that someone greater than the temple was here for those that do not keep the sabbath day shall be blameless for they are the Lord's by His righteousness: not by the righteousness by the deeds of the law.
Matthew 12:1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat. [SUP]2 [/SUP]But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. [SUP]3 [/SUP]But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; [SUP]4 [/SUP]How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? [SUP]5 [/SUP] Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
[SUP]6[/SUP]But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. [SUP]7 [/SUP]But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. [SUP] 8[/SUP]For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Romans 2:14-15
14* For when the Gentiles, which have no the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15* Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience the mean while accusing or else excusin one another
Again these gentiles obeyed God from the heart. How did they honor the sabbath?
True. I tend to believe this is the law of God for the NT for anyone to be saved by.
John 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
1 John 3: [SUP]22 [/SUP]And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. [SUP]24 [/SUP]And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
Loving one another is for abiding in Him as we ought to as His disciples. So 1 John 3:23 has the first law for salvation and the second law for abiding in Him as His disciples by His grace & by His help because we need His love in us to love our enemies.
1 John 3:23 mirrors the two greatest commandments in the OT, but of course they defer since in the NT, we love Him because He first loved us by laying down His life for us to be saved by believing in Jesus Christ.
Matthew 22:[SUP]36 [/SUP]Master, which is the great commandment in the law? [SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. [SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment. [SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
1 John 4:[SUP]19 [/SUP]We love him, because he first loved us. [SUP]20 [/SUP]If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? [SUP]21 [/SUP]And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
John 15:[SUP]12 [/SUP]This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
yes it was... the new one is the holy spirit, people had to follow the commandments to become righteous back in the days but now when someone truly accept christ he works in us and makes us righteous, the holy spirit has the righteousness of the law so it shapes us into the correct way that we suppose to be
Romans 2:14-15
14* For when the Gentiles, which have no the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15* Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience the mean while accusing or else excusin one another
Again these gentiles obeyed God from the heart. How did they honor the sabbath?
We Gentile believers believe in Jesus Christ & love others, so where is that automatic honour for the sabbath?
If you have trouble teaching believers to keep the sabbath day now, how then were the churches free of such trouble back then... and yet over and over again, we had to be told to love one another and love even our enemies... but not once, were there any emphasis on keeping the sabbath day as a reminder or an ordinance.
So as much as you are implying that all those that love God would obey the keeping of the sabbath day as per that reference of yours which did not specifically state that, it is not an assumption to be reading into the text.
And if you believe you HAVE to keep the sabbath day, then if you buy or sell on Saturday or do anything that causes another person to work that day or support the people working on Saturday for your entertainment, including television, then you are breaking the commandment of the sabbath day just as surely they would blame those that benefitted off of someone working on the sabbath day for them back in OT. And remember the punishment for working on the sabbath day.
If the early church really taught that... or is to be taken as a given... then they would have to inform believers not to stone those breaking the sabbath day.
So the practise is null & void in the NT because Jesus is Lord of the sabbath day. You are free to honour Him that day & you are free not to, because you are the Lord's. Jesus Christ is your sabbath. So rest in Him from the burden of keeping the sabbath day and just do it in liberty and in joy.
You're missing his point. He asked a rhetorical question that answers itself. Paul said the gentiles not having GOD's law were obedient to GOD's law. That can only mean one thing - obedience has nothing to do with the letter, but everything to do with faith and love from the heart.
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Now again the true weekly sabbath is NOT a literal day of the week but an AGE. The HIGH sabbath of faith was made at creation as the 6th day ended. The scriptures state that God beheld all that He made (us included) and beheld it was VERY GOOD! So the 7th day He blessed and made it set apart by resting IN IT!
This day never ended yet (We are ALL born on this high day, even the Lord who is such over the sabbath)as the other 6 did. These also are not literal days, but the Father's reckoning of all things unto Himself.
Now the sabbath according to the commandment is as 1000 years to represent the time given to mankind. This day again will be signified by the world economies collapsing.
As Enow states, it is then we are not to buy or sell (seek out again dead traditions of how to live), but to come to know God (through mankind finally beginning to love and work for one another not for profit but simply to live good lives).
This day never ended yet (We are ALL born on this high day, even the Lord who is such over the sabbath)as the other 6 did. These also are not literal days, but the Father's reckoning of all things unto Himself.
Now the sabbath according to the commandment is as 1000 years to represent the time given to mankind. This day again will be signified by the world economies collapsing.
As Enow states, it is then we are not to buy or sell (seek out again dead traditions of how to live), but to come to know God (through mankind finally beginning to love and work for one another not for profit but simply to live good lives).
Exodus 21
22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Matthew 5
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Question does any of the below veres stand today Why Why not ?
Note it is taken from the place that Jesus said an eye for an eye no longer stands
Exodus 21
28 If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit.
29 But if the ox were wont to push with his horn in time past, and it hath been testified to his owner, and he hath not kept him in, but that he hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned, and his owner also shall be put to death.
22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Matthew 5
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Question does any of the below veres stand today Why Why not ?
Note it is taken from the place that Jesus said an eye for an eye no longer stands
Exodus 21
28 If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit.
29 But if the ox were wont to push with his horn in time past, and it hath been testified to his owner, and he hath not kept him in, but that he hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned, and his owner also shall be put to death.
Wher in the bible is that because when the economy collapse Jesus said there will be no love its everyman for himself
Matthew 24
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
You have it confused. It's like that NOW! I have mentioned time and time again that children are dying for simple lack of food! We have christians dooming muslims simply for being muslims and vice versa. We are taught to feed our own bellies at the expense of others in a culture built upon respect of men! Surely love has waxed cold.
But when the economy falls, it will truly separate those who love their God from those who do not know Him.
Can christianity or islam save you without the collection plate? Will the church building feed people and house people?
No! It will be people helping one another! For THIS is where the Spirit of God dwells as those who understand will help the people to carry one another's burdens.
Yes. These were ages. Not the 1000 years according to the commandment, but to the Spirit, the Father of us all.
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No physical rest no more because He nailed it to the cross? It's spiritual rest now so you could work non stop? May He grant you your wish.