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God makes different covenants at different times with men. He made one with Noah that was different than the one He made with Abraham. He made one with Abraham that was different than the one He made through Moses with the children of Israel. The one He made with the children of God through Christ, the best of all, was different than the one He made with the children of the man named Israel.

When God gave the children of Israel the covenant through Moses, He had to first take them out of Egypt and lead them into the wilderness. There is no way they would have been able to keep the commandments through Moses with all the various Sabbath rests, animal sacrifices and feast days if they would have remained in Egypt under its authority.

So Christ coming to enforce the same law that was given through Moses would also have to do the same thing that was done back then, take them out of Egypt (the authorities of this world) into some wilderness where they could once again observe all the statutes and commandments that were given through Moses.

But now under this latest and best covenant the same thing is happening for those of Christ but in a real sense. Instead of coming out of Egypt they come out of the ways of this world, instead of going into the wilderness to perform animal sacrifices, Sabbath rests and feast observances with only one soul once a year ever getting anywhere near the earthly holy of holies, they enter the real Holy of Holies in heaven near the throne of God where there is no sunsets or sunrises or new moons and full moons that are required for Sabbaths and feasts observances. For the children of God who reside with God in the Holy of Holies are themselves holy, thus they, like God their Father and their Brother Jesus Christ, no longer dwell under the sun, moon and stars along with those who still attempt in a limited way to observe some of those laws that were given to the children of men who lived under the sun, moon and stars. The children of God being holy like their Father, are above these temporary lowly elements and live as their Holy Father has for eternity, before there ever was a sunset, a sunrise, a moon and a Sabbath.


Bingo. Spot on Thank you!

The idea that there is only one Sabbath is silly. The idea of Romans 14:5 is that some regarded one day over another. Others regarded all as being the same. If we think that we need to follow the Sabbath to be saved we are in serious trouble. Why? Because the Gentile community has no clue as to what following the Law really means.

Blessings

Timber
 
Here's the question I have with this verse:


23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.​


Logistically, how is this ever going to be accomplished? All flesh (everyone on earth) showing up in Israel for weekly sabbaths? Don't think so. Every new moon? nah! The 3 yearly festivals? I doubt it's even possible once a year.

So we are left with the only logical conclusion that this verse is to be interpreted in an allegorical sense of worshiping GOD in the spirit, something Isaiah did not foresee.


Will alll saved flesh or saints be in the new city ? Why or Why not ? Is that verse aout the future in God's Kingdom ?
 
Will alll saved flesh or saints be in the new city ? Why or Why not ? Is that verse aout the future in God's Kingdom ?

Are you a Born Again Christian or an Old Testament Law Keeper?

Timberdoodle
 
God makes different covenants at different times with men. He made one with Noah that was different than the one He made with Abraham. He made one with Abraham that was different than the one He made through Moses with the children of Israel. The one He made with the children of God through Christ, the best of all, was different than the one He made with the children of the man named Israel.

When God gave the children of Israel the covenant through Moses, He had to first take them out of Egypt and lead them into the wilderness. There is no way they would have been able to keep the commandments through Moses with all the various Sabbath rests, animal sacrifices and feast days if they would have remained in Egypt under its authority.

So Christ coming to enforce the same law that was given through Moses would also have to do the same thing that was done back then, take them out of Egypt (the authorities of this world) into some wilderness where they could once again observe all the statutes and commandments that were given through Moses.

But now under this latest and best covenant the same thing is happening for those of Christ but in a real sense. Instead of coming out of Egypt they come out of the ways of this world, instead of going into the wilderness to perform animal sacrifices, Sabbath rests and feast observances with only one soul once a year ever getting anywhere near the earthly holy of holies, they enter the real Holy of Holies in heaven near the throne of God where there is no sunsets or sunrises or new moons and full moons that are required for Sabbaths and feasts observances. For the children of God who reside with God in the Holy of Holies are themselves holy, thus they, like God their Father and their Brother Jesus Christ, no longer dwell under the sun, moon and stars along with those who still attempt in a limited way to observe some of those laws that were given to the children of men who lived under the sun, moon and stars. The children of God being holy like their Father, are above these temporary lowly elements and live as their Holy Father has for eternity, before there ever was a sunset, a sunrise, a moon and a Sabbath.


What is ironic though is that God made the covenant as you said with israel throught moses . Howbeit there are 9 commandments to be kept that was also given to israel . yet you keep the 9 same old covenant yet disregard the the 4 th why
 
What is ironic thoug is that God made the covenant as you said with israel throught moses . Howbeit there are 9 commandments to be keept . yet you keep the 9 same old covenant yet disregard the the 4 th why

Go ahead and keep those commandments but as for me and my house we will serve the Lord.

No man is justified by keeping the Law.

Timberdoodle
 
The sabbath is for those who wish to boast in them self. The cross is the fulfillment of sabbath cause you didn't do it. Man the flesh loves law cause its a pat on the back.
 
The sabbath is for those who wish to boast in them self. The cross is the fulfillment of sabbath cause you didn't do it. Man the flesh loves law cause its a pat on the back.


Why is having sex with an animal wrong ?
 
Go ahead and keep those commandments but as for me and my house we will serve the Lord.

No man is justified by keeping the Law.

Timberdoodle


So you worship idols ?


Romans 2 :13

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified
 
Are you a Born Again Christian or an Old Testament Law Keeper?

Timberdoodle

The old testement has promises hmmm that shall bless us if we obey . This is in the old seems like you do not want that kind of blessing

[h=3]Deuteronomy 28[/h]King James Version (KJV)

28 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of theLord thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the Lord thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
2 And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God.
3 Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field.
4 Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
5 Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.
6 Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
 
The old testement has promises hmmm that shall bless us if we obey . This is in the old seems like you do not want that kind of blessing

Deuteronomy 28

King James Version (KJV)

28 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of theLord thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the Lord thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
2 And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God.
3 Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field.
4 Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
5 Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.
6 Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out.

Clearly obedience is a good thing. But it does not save you. No one is justified by keeping the Law

What happened to Romans 14?

Timberdoodle
 
Are you a SDA?

Timberdoodle

I am not SDA

my religon is this

James 1

26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
 
I am not SDA

my religon is this

James 1

26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

I have no problem with that but once again good works does not save you. Only the Blood of Christ.

I hope you are washed in the Blood. That make you my Brother in the Lord.

Timberdoodle
 
Clearly obedience is a good thing. But it does not save you. No one is justified by keeping the Law

Timberdoodle


No one can boast that they kept law and are saved we are saved by grace but that does not give us the right to break God's law .


What is sin ?


Is one justified by breaking Gods laws ?


Do you steal ? why why not it was given to israel also . So why keep it then ?
 
Why is having sex with an animal wrong ?
why? have you. them goats look dandy but with my faith in the cross it has never crossed my mind until you mentioned it. Pat your back and boast in law. Don't be shocked when Jesus say's " depart from me you worker of iniquity for I never knew you". Your law is hostile to the gospel. Paul battled this in his day and we are still fighting it today you judiazer. You must keep the whole law and it is impossible. There is no temple, no brazen altar, how can you keep law? Law is pleasing to flesh, because it is something you can try to do. The cross offends you because it is Gods work and not yours. Do you think that faith in Gods work would lead to such an act. The law show the morals of God and those that are his children abide by those, but by faith in the work of the cross and not the written letter of the law. The law did not save you it only showed your sin. The cross set you free from the law and now you want to bind yourself by it. Flesh , flesh, flesh. The flesh loves the law and hates the cross.
 
Can bad or evil works save you ? Why or Why not ?

Can good works save you? Yes or no? The answer is no. No matter how good we are , we fall short.

What does the Word of The Lord say on this issue?

Blessings

Timberdoodle
 
why? have you. them goats look dandy but with my faith in the cross it has never crossed my mind until you mentioned it. Pat your back and boast in law. Don't be shocked when Jesus say's " depart from me you worker of iniquity for I never knew you". Your law is hostile to the gospel. Paul battled this in his day and we are still fighting it today you judiazer. You must keep the whole law and it is impossible. There is no temple, no brazen altar, how can you keep law? Law is pleasing to flesh, because it is something you can try to do. The cross offends you because it is Gods work and not yours. Do you think that faith in Gods work would lead to such an act. The law show the morals of God and those that are his children abide by those, but by faith in the work of the cross and not the written letter of the law. The law did not save you it only showed your sin. The cross set you free from the law and now you want to bind yourself by it. Flesh , flesh, flesh. The flesh loves the law and hates the cross.


You have not answer my question but i shall answer it for thee


Ironically the book of leviticus is the only book that mentions that sleeping with animals is wrong hmmm yet it is in the old . Since you dont believe that in law but grace alone then you should have no problem with people sleeping with animals because hmm we are in the new testement right ,:rolleyes: