Your post says {fruit(s) plural}. You should be clearer in your writing so there's no possibility to keep moving the goalpost each time you don't like someone's response.
The "Secret Rapture" is a False Doctrine.
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Here it is defined from Google.
"firstfruits
"Firstfruits" (one word) or "first fruits" (two words) are largely interchangeable in usage, both referring to the earliest gathered agricultural products or the first results of an effort offered to God. The term represents gratitude for the harvest, dedication to God, and anticipation of
Key Details regarding Firstfruits/First Fruits:
- Definition: It refers to the first and best portion .
Websters
"FIRST-FRUIT/FIRST-FRUITS, noun
1. The fruit or produce first matured and collected in any season. Of these the Jews made an oblation to God, as an acknowledgment of his sovereign dominion.
2. The first profits of any thing. In the church of England, the profits of every spiritual benefice for the first year.
3. The first or earliest effect of any thing, in a good or bad sense; as the first-fruits of grace in the heart, or the first-fruits of vice
no foul.
no goalpostS
The Tribulation is to put an end to sin ( 70th week ) and bring judgement on sinners.
28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.
And for this reason I am Pre-Tribulation rapture believer
28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.
And for this reason I am Pre-Tribulation rapture believer
It is a little deeper, if one does the study and typology.
I can get into it with a level of maturity, but I know doctrines of some here prevent indepth studies that tamper with their preconceived interfering beliefs.
Good point because the second coming on white horses, in no way, aligns with that verse.
( he deals with sin at the battle of Armageddon)
My compliments on yet another postrib rapture workbook embarrassment.
lol
One is singular and the other is plural. Singular means one and plural means many. They are nothing alike.
Jesus is the firstfruit/s.
Not those he gathers.
They, (the curch)are PART of the first resurrection.
Jesus the firstfruits , then those that follow, the main harvest....of the first resurrection.
Is Rev 19, Jesus coming in power, also Jesus coming in power in mat 24?
I already posted for you the fact they are interchangeable.
You really need facts to be taken off the table??
Why???
It depends on definition source because one states your views and several state mine. The facts are the facts.
False. After the last AC has power to overcome the saints, the Lord comes again for them remaining alive.
Mar 13:20
And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
True. During the tribulation and wrath of the wicked persecuting the saints on earth, there will be many martyrs for Jesus Christ.
Act 14:22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
2Ti 3:12
Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
2Th 1:4
So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
Not during the tribulation and wrath of the Lord upon the wicked, which is only after resurrecting His saints into the air.
The rapture of the church from the earth to meet Jesus in the air, ends their unrighteous tribulation at the hands of the wicked, and begins the Lord's righteous tribulation upon the wicked.
The rapture is postrib by man upon the righteous, and pretrib by the Lord upon the unrighteous.
There are no justified believers on earth at the rapture of the saints, that is from the postrib wrath of the wicked.
There will be many made believers by sight at the Lord Jesus coming with His resurrected saints with clouds:
Jde 1:14
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Rev 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 13
7And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
16;And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17;And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
It reads exactly like what it says.
You claim the bible is wrong?
QUOTE
"The rapture is postrib by man upon the righteous, and pr"etrib by the Lord upon the unrighteous"
Lol
I have asked you guys many times for a verse supporting your doctrine.
Nobody has ever come up with one.
QUOTE
"The rapture of the church from the earth to meet Jesus in the air, ends their unrighteous tribulation at the hands of the wicked, and begins the Lord's righteous tribulation upon the wicked".
Not sure what you are getting at.
The rapture is the gathering of the bride.
That fact is vividly portrayed in the virgin parable.
The bride is taken by Jesus to heaven.
Very plain and troubling for postribbers
You can read 1000 posts or videos by postrib rapture teachers
Every one of them omits the bride, bridegroom, wedding, and every pretrib rapture verse.
The very heart of end times off the table.
Your understanding is flawed.
He comes back for his bride, the church.
Ahem, HE IS ALREADY THE FIRSTFRUITS AT THE RAPTURE.
The church, is not, and can not possibly be, ANY FIRSTFRUITS of the resurrection.
You really do not understand what is going on.
1cor 15
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
You got everything aspect of firstfruits wrong.
Including the rabbit trail, of "singular vs plural."
They are totally new to anything concerning firstfruits.
Then , when they try to fit firstfruits in, it is all muddied up.
Wow.