The "Secret Rapture" is a False Doctrine.

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Revelation 11:11-12 is about the two prophets literally. We must note the context of Revelation 11:10 and Revelation 11:13.
The two prophets are literal, I believe their arrival is soon, the evil doers plan to mask and muddy their arrival with the notions of extraterrestrials, "time travelers", and other twistings of the truth. And ultimately the evil doers hope that WW3 and the coverage of news about it will overshadow the arrival of the two prophets. The "rapture" also is a weapon against the two prophets, the evil doers hope to kill most everyone that would be able to see the two prophets for what they really are, they hope to kill millions at once, with special nano technology, and label it as the so called " rapture".

Those that remain they hope to have believe that an Islamic tyrant is the anti Christ, and they hope those believing such will be willing to die by that tyrant, believing he is the anti Christ, they will believe they are dying as martyrs and end up in heaven.
( And well, they will ) And therefore line up to be beheaded. The guiltounes and coffins are already ready.


There is only 1 return of Christ. Paul's foundation is Christ. We can conclude that the dead rise first then the alive from what Christ said, and we can see how Paul concluded such, with scripture.
Matthew 24:31 "from the four winds"
Ezekiel 37:9-10 "from the four winds"
Ezekiel is certainly about the dead rising, being a pharasee Paul would have believed that Ezekiel 37:1-12 is about actual resurrection. We can see so in Acts 23:5-8 together with Acts 26:5-8. It is Ezekiel 37:1-12 that Paul is referring to as the promise concerning resurrection of the nation of Israel as a whole, because there is no other such direct promise from God to the nation in scripture. Thereby we can see that Paul understood "from the four winds" as a reference to resurrection. And so from Paul's view, from scripture, he understood that Matthew 24:31 is talking about the dead and the alive "from the four winds and from one end of the sky to the other"


Concerning the staged so called "rapture".
See the Ted Talk held in Israel 2013 about nano bots. Daniel 2:43 KJV
Revelation 18:23. Sorcery, pharmekia.
By those means the world has been deceived, injected, with end time secret technology.
Babylon is the empire of the three city states. Their king is in the office called Pope.

"And call no man your father, for one is your father, even the Lord in heaven."

When revelation was written 5 in that office had come and gone and one was. Revelation 17:10

That the office is of a king is kept secret at this time, but in the past it was not so secret. We know that they have waged wars, crusades, and have made laws that the world still follows. April was the start of the year, until the Gregorian calendar. Pope Gregory the thirteenth. The office of the Pope is the office of the beast.

Soon world war will start centered around some set up Islamic tyrant. And there will be a fresh new young person in the office. During WW3 he will seem to die and then be healed from death in some new spectacular world changing way. And the two prophets will be here.

If any man will hurt them a fire comes out of their mouth and devours their enemies. And if any man will hurt them he Must in this manner be killed. Revelation 11:5

And when they shall have finished their testimony the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, and shall overcome them and kill them. Revelation 11:7

Therefore the beast must be killed by the fire that comes out of the mouth of the two prophets.

And the beast and false prophet were captured...these both were thrown alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Revelation 19:20

The lake of fire is first kindled by the two prophets. And then also Jesus when He returns spews fire and lava from His mouth literally.
Revelation 19:21

Revelation is not super figurative.
You reference Matthew.
There are 2 SEPARATE gatherings in Matthew 24.
The first, is by angels, NOT JESUS.
In fact, Jesus "sends angels", and they are gathered in heaven.
"SENDS"....(AS in, "he is not present")
So no, your theory is way way off.

The second gathering is beyond postribbers

They are totally stumped because it does no in any way fit their doctrinal spin.
Matt 24
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

None of that fits your doctrine.
A gathering preflood/pretrib.
Noah gathered BEFORE THE FLOOD.
One taken, one left. BEFORE THE FLOOD.

Now where is that 50 % "TAKEN" mentioned again?

Answer ....only 10, or so, sentences later.
Mat 25
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10;And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11;Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh

In both of Jesus declarations of, " half the church is taken in the rapture", we see the pretrib setting, and it is Jesus, not angels ( as you erromeously believe), doing the gathering
In both gatherings by Jesus he tell us to watch and be ready in a pretrib setting.

None of your teachers know the pretrib verses.
So they have duped you.
 
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It's super easy if you read God's word. God bless.

The 'son of perdition' comes in the 'midst of the week'. That's 1260 days, 42 months, time times and half time. You won't find a '7 year tribulation' in the bible. Daniel's 70th week is split in two, the tribulation and God's wrath.

Matthew 24:29-30
King James Version
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

2 Thessalonians 2
King James Version
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
Lol
I asked for postrib rapture verses.
You posted talking points "using" verses out of context.
Context context context.
No, the son of perdition arrives at the start of the 7 yr trib.
He arrives on a white horse.
2 thes says;
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

It says "REVEALED."
He is revealed even before he takes power.
Most all leaders are.
Obama, Hitler, Stalin, prince Charles.
All revealed way before they take power.

So your 2 thes passage actually points to a pretrib rapture.

You try to connect Rev 6 with Matt 24, and yet you leave out Rev 19, the second coming.
Rev 19 he comes in power and glory AFTER the trib.
The RAPTURE VERSES are NOT, IN ANY WAY, depicting ANY, power and great glory...plus they are all pretrib setting.
 
1 Thessalonians 4:18 - Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Not sure how comforting it is knowing you are going through the "great" tribulation.
Probably a lot of liquidation sales and clothes will be cheap
 
Probably a lot of liquidation sales and clothes will be cheap


Yeah. That happened to the Jews where they were rounded up and sent east while their property and possessions were taken from them by the Nazis in WWII. It's going to happen to Christians too who refused the mark in the great tribulation.

But God will compensate and reward more than what we will lose for rejecting that mark:

2 Corinthians 4:17 For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all.

Mark 10:29–30
“Truly I tell you,” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age: homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—along with persecutions—and in the age to come eternal life."

Matthew 5:12
Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

2 John 1:8 Watch out that you do not lose what we have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully.


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Yeah. That happened to the Jews where they were rounded up and sent east while their property and possessions were taken from them by the Nazis in WWII. It's going to happen to Christians too who refused the mark in the great tribulation.

But God will compensate and reward more than what we will lose for rejecting that mark:

2 Corinthians 4:17 For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all.

Mark 10:29–30
“Truly I tell you,” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age: homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—along with persecutions—and in the age to come eternal life."

Matthew 5:12
Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

2 John 1:8 Watch out that you do not lose what we have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully.


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Charm- The problem I see with you is you are not watching for the Lord but for the Tribulation!
 
Charm- The problem I see with you is you are not watching for the Lord but for the Tribulation!
Our all is a walk of faith.
So to pray the declaration of heaven that says: "pray that you will be counted Worthy to escape the things about to come up on the Earth, and stand before the son of man"
( whch is one of about 5 escape verses)

... would be false and fake for them. Because they don't believe it....(none of the 5)
 
Charm- The problem I see with you is you are not watching for the Lord but for the Tribulation!


I AM watching for the Lord. He will come AFTER the tribulation. So to finally see the great tribulation will help us to know He is coming back in 3-1/2 years. We just have to endure while we count down to His return whether we are alive and remain or are martyred and rest "under the alter."


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"SENDS"....(AS in, "he is not present")
So no, your theory is way way off.
Matthew 24:30-31. "...and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He shall send forth His angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together His chosen ones from the four winds and from one end of the sky to the other."

It specifically says they shall see Him, He will be present in the clouds, then He sends forth His angels.

"Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice" Psalm 50:5

Come from the four winds Oh breath of life, and breath upon these slain that they may live. And they stood upon their feet, an exceedingly great army. Ezekiel 37:9-10

The Lord will utter His voice before His army. Joel 2:11

Unto you who fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise.. and you shall trample down the wicked they shall be ashes under your feet in the day that I do this says the Lord. Malachie 4:3-4

To execute the vengeance written, this honor have all the saints. Psalm 149:9

The righteous shall rejoice when they see the vengeance, they shall wash their feet in the blood of the wicked. Psalm 58:10

Behold the Lord comes with 10,000's of His saints to do doom upon all flesh. Jude 1:14-15

The dead in Christ shall rise first then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

And to you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from the sky with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God... when He shall come to be glorified by His saints, and to be admired by all them that believe
2 Thessalonians 1:7-10

And I saw the sky opened and a white horse whose rider is called Faithful and True and in righteousness does He judge and make war. Revelation 19:11

The armies in the sky followed Him on white horses 19:14

...and the rest were slain with the sword of Him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded from His mouth, and all the birds were filled with their flesh. Revelation 19:21

For wheresoever the bodies are, there will the birds be gathered together. Luke 17:37
Matthew 24:28
 
Matthew 24:30-31. "...and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He shall send forth His angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together His chosen ones from the four winds and from one end of the sky to the other."

It specifically says they shall see Him, He will be present in the clouds, then He sends forth His angels.

"Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice" Psalm 50:5

Come from the four winds Oh breath of life, and breath upon these slain that they may live. And they stood upon their feet, an exceedingly great army. Ezekiel 37:9-10

The Lord will utter His voice before His army. Joel 2:11

Unto you who fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise.. and you shall trample down the wicked they shall be ashes under your feet in the day that I do this says the Lord. Malachie 4:3-4

To execute the vengeance written, this honor have all the saints. Psalm 149:9

The righteous shall rejoice when they see the vengeance, they shall wash their feet in the blood of the wicked. Psalm 58:10

Behold the Lord comes with 10,000's of His saints to do doom upon all flesh. Jude 1:14-15

The dead in Christ shall rise first then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

And to you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from the sky with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God... when He shall come to be glorified by His saints, and to be admired by all them that believe
2 Thessalonians 1:7-10

And I saw the sky opened and a white horse whose rider is called Faithful and True and in righteousness does He judge and make war. Revelation 19:11

The armies in the sky followed Him on white horses 19:14

...and the rest were slain with the sword of Him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded from His mouth, and all the birds were filled with their flesh. Revelation 19:21

For wheresoever the bodies are, there will the birds be gathered together. Luke 17:37
Matthew 24:28
You just made my case.
2 separate comings that you are hoping to make into one.

You can not, no matter how hard you try, to make "he sends others" ( angels), into,
"he gathers himself.".
That will never fly in a thousand years.

....and it is your only, supposed, post rapture verse.
 
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Matthew 24:30-31. "...and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He shall send forth His angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together His chosen ones from the four winds and from one end of the sky to the other."

It specifically says they shall see Him, He will be present in the clouds, then He sends forth His angels.

"Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice" Psalm 50:5

Come from the four winds Oh breath of life, and breath upon these slain that they may live. And they stood upon their feet, an exceedingly great army. Ezekiel 37:9-10

The Lord will utter His voice before His army. Joel 2:11

Unto you who fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise.. and you shall trample down the wicked they shall be ashes under your feet in the day that I do this says the Lord. Malachie 4:3-4

To execute the vengeance written, this honor have all the saints. Psalm 149:9

The righteous shall rejoice when they see the vengeance, they shall wash their feet in the blood of the wicked. Psalm 58:10

Behold the Lord comes with 10,000's of His saints to do doom upon all flesh. Jude 1:14-15

The dead in Christ shall rise first then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

And to you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from the sky with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God... when He shall come to be glorified by His saints, and to be admired by all them that believe
2 Thessalonians 1:7-10

And I saw the sky opened and a white horse whose rider is called Faithful and True and in righteousness does He judge and make war. Revelation 19:11

The armies in the sky followed Him on white horses 19:14

...and the rest were slain with the sword of Him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded from His mouth, and all the birds were filled with their flesh. Revelation 19:21

For wheresoever the bodies are, there will the birds be gathered together. Luke 17:37
Matthew 24:28
Nope. These are believing (and surviving) Israelites gathered ex post facto the 70th week of Daniel Tribulation. These are they who witness the Second Coming of their Kinsman Redeemer.

Matthew 24:30-31. "...and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He shall send forth His angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together His chosen ones from the four winds and from one end of the sky to the other."

Isa 27:12
And it shall come to pass ***in that day***, that the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel.

Isa 27:13
And it shall come to pass ***in that day***, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.

Isa 11:11
And it shall come to pass ***in that day*** that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

Deu 30:3
That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.

Deu 30:4
If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:

Isa 43:5
Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west;

Isa 43:6
I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;

Eze 20:33
As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out (tribulation fury!), will I rule over you:

Eze 20:34
And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out (tribulation fury upon the armies of the anti-christ).
 
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Matthew 24:30-31. "...and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He shall send forth His angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together His chosen ones from the four winds and from one end of the sky to the other."

It specifically says they shall see Him, He will be present in the clouds, then He sends forth His angels.

"Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice" Psalm 50:5

Come from the four winds Oh breath of life, and breath upon these slain that they may live. And they stood upon their feet, an exceedingly great army. Ezekiel 37:9-10

The Lord will utter His voice before His army. Joel 2:11

Unto you who fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise.. and you shall trample down the wicked they shall be ashes under your feet in the day that I do this says the Lord. Malachie 4:3-4

To execute the vengeance written, this honor have all the saints. Psalm 149:9

The righteous shall rejoice when they see the vengeance, they shall wash their feet in the blood of the wicked. Psalm 58:10

Behold the Lord comes with 10,000's of His saints to do doom upon all flesh. Jude 1:14-15

The dead in Christ shall rise first then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

And to you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from the sky with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God... when He shall come to be glorified by His saints, and to be admired by all them that believe
2 Thessalonians 1:7-10

And I saw the sky opened and a white horse whose rider is called Faithful and True and in righteousness does He judge and make war. Revelation 19:11

The armies in the sky followed Him on white horses 19:14

...and the rest were slain with the sword of Him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded from His mouth, and all the birds were filled with their flesh. Revelation 19:21

For wheresoever the bodies are, there will the birds be gathered together. Luke 17:37
Matthew 24:28
And BTW, the Church age has ended before the 70 week of Daniel ever begins.
We are NOT overtaken, for we know the times and seasons, and are believing, faithful and watchful.

1Th 5:9
For God hath not appointed us to (ESCHATOLOGICAL) wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

1Th 5:4
But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

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1Th 5:2
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

1Th 5:3
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

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Luk 21:34
And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

Luk 21:35
For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
 
I AM watching for the Lord. He will come AFTER the tribulation. So to finally see the great tribulation will help us to know He is coming back in 3-1/2 years. We just have to endure while we count down to His return whether we are alive and remain or are martyred and rest "under the alter."


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Nope. The 70th week pertains to ISRAEL alone. As does the other 69!

Dan 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.