The signs of the follower of the Lord Jesus Christ (Mark 16:17-18)

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Mikko - Are you doing any of those signs? Casting out demons? Are you healing the sick?

We need your testimony how God is pouring Himself through you in healing, loving and encouraging His body of Christians.

Funny how everybody leaves off drinking any deadly thing...... I would like to see those who believe this chapter was not added and is scripture drink a glass of liquid draino or bleach! Especially the ones who think they are so righteous, sinless and all that and a bag of chips when it comes to faithfulness......!
 
OOOH OOOH I was excited for another thread to tell me I'm not good enough .....apologies I am in a weird mood today lol

cool and good ?.<..,##<..,?>>>

you're in good company if you're not good enough ! since jesus came for the sick, for those who are not righteous.... for those who know they're not good enough to escape certain judgment...


and/or/ as corrie ten boom said ... there's only one person jesus cannot help.




that's the person who thinks they are good.

as for the mockers.... no worries. they are in the NT also.
 
Funny how everybody leaves off drinking any deadly thing...... I would like to see those who believe this chapter was not added and is scripture drink a glass of liquid draino or bleach! Especially the ones who think they are so righteous, sinless and all that and a bag of chips when it comes to faithfulness......!

I don't know anyone who leaves off stuff. That scripture stands, and is the truth.

It isn't written as an invitation to intentionally test God by drinking poison! It is a promise of God that those who are working doing the will of God will not be harmed by an inadvertent ingestion of a poisonous substance, nor will they be harmed should they suffer an attack of a poisonous creature. Paul is the example we have of that very promise holding true.
 
I have tried to work it in but not in the draino sense of things, I would consider that which is shown as deadly which is the tongue in James (and various references to drinking in realtion to it) as it the poisons of the same.

For example,

Job is shown as a man drinketh scorn (that proceeds from the mouth of others)


Job 34:7 What man is like Job,
who drinketh up scorning like water?

James says the tongue is full of deadly poison

James 3:8 But the tongue can no man tame;
it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

You can speak life and death thats probably why is called a deadly poison

Proverbs 18:21
Death and life are in the power of the tongue:
and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.


Drink deadly poison through your own lips or even through the lips of another (in bitterness and cursing) Psalm 109:18 what goes out enters back into oneself ( inherit the blessing rather 2 Peter 1:9-10, & James 3:10)

Thats just on if we take Mark into an account in that sense, Acts 28:3 is just shaking off a literal/ physical snake and so that was poison directly into Pauls blood stream not drinking it (in at the mouth)

Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

The tongue can be sharpened like a serpent

Psalm 140:3 They have sharpened their tongues like a serpent; adders' poison is under their lips. Selah.

Using deceit, or the poison of asps.

Romans 3:13
Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit;
the poison of asps
is under their lips:

Romans 3:14
Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

Dwelling among scorpions,

But it says be not afraid of their words, (twice, so .... we have "speaking" scorpions)

Ezekiel 2:6
And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them,

neither be afraid of their words,

though briers and thorns
be with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions:

be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they
be a rebellious house.

Scorpions of the earth have power (and to hurt)

Jesus gives power over theirs

Luke 10:19
Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions,

and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Try it this way maybe...

Thou dost dwell among scorpions be not afraid of their words

Even as James says

T
he tongue is full of deadly poison

O generation of vipers,how can ye being evil, speak good things?

Their throat is an open sepulchre with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is
under their lips

Which always reminded me of this before I knew

They shall take up serpents and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them

Now with Moses with any literal sense of taking up serpents is shown

But even with Moses even, it never really started out in Moses as snake handling but rather a rod first

So God was teaching Moses a little about snake handling but not by fetching snakes
but rather by using
the rod in his hand to do so

And the LORD said unto him, What is that in thine hand? And he said, A rod.

And he said, Cast (( it )) on the ground.

And
he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent;

and
Moses fled from before it.

And the LORD said unto Moses, Put forth thine hand, and take it by the tail.

And he put forth his hand, and caught ((( it )))

and it became (( a rod )) in his hand:..... ((behold)) ... I ((( give you))) power

After that rehearsal, Aaron was told to

Take thy rod, and cast it before Pharaoh,

and it shall become a serpent.


So did Pharaohs wise men so the same

For they cast down every man his rod,

and they became serpents

but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods.

Whereas here

In Numbers 21:6 it says,

And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.

Then here,

Psalm 78:49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble,
by sending evil angels among them.

So they seem to represent another thing as Luke 10:19 serpents = spirits in Luke 10:20 as God sent Saul as evil spirit to trouble him too

Numbers 21:7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said,
We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD,
and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us.

And Moses prayed for the people.

Numbers 21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.

Numbers 21:8 9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole,and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

Which is a figure for Christ (as we know it)

But this one I need to work on yet

 
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Yeah I think your right, I was scripturally trying to make it look a little better for the seeming powerlesness in the many (in the here and now) in showing that even in Jesus (as one) had a tough audience in a certain place (then)

The big delusion is in the world, and you not helping, because you try to find people's reason to believe, that everything is right, even though it is not.

What good we may achieve, for our self or the others if turn the bad situation to look good? Or if I say to a blind man, who is in his way on the pit , that everything is good?
 
17. And these signs shall accompany them that believe: in my name shall they cast out demons; they shall speak with new tongues; 18. they shall take up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall in no wise hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. (Mark 16:17-18)

So why today, we do not see this signs in among of the believers, like the gift of healing?

Because we live in that period which has predicted to come, the time when believers hold a form of godliness, but they deny the power of God, and that's why today's commune's of believer's do not have gifts of God.

1. But know this, that in the last days grievous times shall come. 2. For men shall be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, railers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3. without natural affection, implacable, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, no lovers of good, 4. traitors, headstrong, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God; 5. holding a form of godliness, but having denied the power therefore. From these also turn away. (2 Timothy 3:1-5)

So here is our problem today, but are there anyone to see it?

And I know that some may now claim that they do have this kind of signs like the healing gift, but is a lie, and we can all understand that today, so called healing gifts, and other gift are very different that in day's of our dear brother apostle's.

Today the signs of the true follower of the Lord Jesus are missing.

Wake up people's

The plural pronouns 'they' and 'them' in verses 17-20 refer back to the nearest plural antecedent "the eleven" in verse 14. Therefore these signs are being promised to the apostles.
 
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Let us remember the self-control Jeff.

Serving God, with in holy fear, like the example of our dear brother apostles before us.

The time is different, but the Lord is always the same, which we serve.
 
The big delusion is in the world, and you not helping, because you try to find people's reason to believe, that everything is right, even though it is not.

What good we may achieve, for our self or the others if turn the bad situation to look good? Or if I say to a blind man, who is in his way on the pit , that everything is good?

DesiredHaven has posted a lot of Scripture in many threads, showing what God has revealed to her,
just
as the Scripture says to do when the believers assemble together. (it is a LOT more difficult here online because of the great delusions present/ unbelief) and Scripture is THE ONLY SURE THING anyone
may grab ahold of and cling to and seek YAHWEH WHO in HIS MERCY might reveal to them LIFE.
there's many
reading the forum, regulars and visitors, who haven't ever read the BIBLE nor understood it,
so
as much as she posts is GOOD and VERY GOOD..... YAHWEH IS PLEASED....
 
Let us remember the self-control Jeff.

Serving God, with in holy fear, like the example of our dear brother apostles before us.

The time is different, but the Lord is always the same, which we serve.

no worries.... all of the "!" are a very small alert that Yahweh is not pleased with all those who are not listening to HIM... and some like the blind scribes and pharisees still claim to believe in HIM.... the eternal judgment that awaits most of the population of earth and all who reject the MESSIAH YAHSHUA is cause for thousands of pages of "!" >> a tsunami is still tiny and small and insignificant
seeing GOD'S JUDGMENT that is certain and HIS WRATH that is soon to be vent upon the earth and all the nations that have rebelled wantonly against HIM....
 
The big delusion is in the world, and you not helping, because you try to find people's reason to believe, that everything is right, even though it is not.

What good we may achieve, for our self or the others if turn the bad situation to look good? Or if I say to a blind man, who is in his way on the pit , that everything is good?

Yeah you could be right that in taking other scripture into consideration could add further delusion upon the current mass delusion

I will have to be much more careful and attentive to things on my end here
 
17. And these signs shall accompany them that believe: in my name shall they cast out demons; they shall speak with new tongues; 18. they shall take up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall in no wise hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. (Mark 16:17-18)

So why today, we do not see this signs in among of the believers, like the gift of healing?


These signs were to follow after they who believe. NOWHERE were believers ever told to persue the signs.

The fact that these signs are not calling attention to themselves does not conclusively indicate that they are absent.

These signs when they exist(ed) are/were never about showmanship. they are intended to glorify Jesus, NOT the person through whom they operate.




Because we live in that period which has predicted to come, the time when believers hold a form of godliness, but they deny the power of God, and that's why today's commune's of believer's do not have gifts of God.

1. But know this, that in the last days grievous times shall come. 2. For men shall be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, railers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3. without natural affection, implacable, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, no lovers of good, 4. traitors, headstrong, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God; 5. holding a form of godliness, but having denied the power therefore. From these also turn away. (2 Timothy 3:1-5)

So here is our problem today, but are there anyone to see it?

And I know that some may now claim that they do have this kind of signs like the healing gift, but is a lie, and we can all understand that today, so called healing gifts, and other gift are very different that in day's of our dear brother apostle's.

Today the signs of the true follower of the Lord Jesus are missing.

Wake up people's


Accusing the brethren is supposed to be Satan's role. Have you considered the implications of taking it upon yourself?
 
no worries.... all of the "!" are a very small alert that Yahweh is not pleased with all those who are not listening to HIM... and some like the blind scribes and pharisees still claim to believe in HIM.... the eternal judgment that awaits most of the population of earth and all who reject the MESSIAH YAHSHUA is cause for thousands of pages of "!" >> a tsunami is still tiny and small and insignificant
seeing GOD'S JUDGMENT that is certain and HIS WRATH that is soon to be vent upon the earth and all the nations that have rebelled wantonly against HIM....

To taking the Lord in our hear, is to take also his values.

We should be holy, as God is holy.
 
Yeah I think your right, I was scripturally trying to make it look a little better for the seeming powerlesness in the many (in the here and now) in showing that even in Jesus (as one) had a tough audience in a certain place (then)

And yes there is a believing problem of course, because no one seems to follow our Lord, but what I want to point here in this Op, is that, today's christianity has lost it way, because of the big delusion.

We have like masses of christians, but no real signs of miracles, or the signs of the Lord Jesus Christ's followers, because if today's christians really do work miracles, like some may calm that they do, then don't this wold had to be a very differed place, than it is today?
 
GOD'S WORD is my total DELIGHT, as HE has graciously accomplished all that HE said HE would.

Here's a short reference to some of the occurences to "holy" in the NT. I've read them all many many times over the last 40 years(and the rest/all of Scripture )...
and
the joy of holiness is a sheer gift of grace granted to disciples(immersed in Yahshua) by Yahweh.
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  24. Revelation (24)
 
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And yes there is a believing problem of course, because no one seems to follow our Lord, but what I want to point here in this Op, is that, today's christianity has lost it way, because of the big delusion.

We have like masses of christians, but no real signs of miracles, or the signs of the Lord Jesus Christ's followers, because if today's christians really do work miracles, like some may calm that they do, then don't this wold had to be a very differed place, than it is today?

Yeah you point out how everyone is deluded and lost their way

How are Gods miracles coming along on your end?
 
These signs were to follow after they who believe. NOWHERE were believers ever told to persue the signs.

The fact that these signs are not calling attention to themselves does not conclusively indicate that they are absent.

These signs when they exist(ed) are/were never about showmanship. they are intended to glorify Jesus, NOT the person through whom they operate.







Accusing the brethren is supposed to be Satan's role. Have you considered the implications of taking it upon yourself?

I did not clam that the miracle works should glorify the servants of the Lord, but I say that the signs are missing, because the true faith are missing.

That is the main message of this tread.
 
And yes there is a believing problem of course, because no one seems to follow our Lord, but what I want to point here in this Op, is that, today's christianity has lost it way, because of the big delusion.

We have like masses of christians, but no real signs of miracles, or the signs of the Lord Jesus Christ's followers, because if today's christians really do work miracles, like some may calm that they do, then don't this wold had to be a very differed place, than it is today?

remember that when yahshua appeared to the disciples after the resurrection,

no one who had rejected him saw him. and no unbelievers saw him. only his disciples who had remained with him (not the ones who walked away).

and yahshua said the world(society) is pernicious, blind, and stupid. not smart, nor helpful, nor able to see.
he even rebuked/chastised his disciples a number of times for their 'little' or 'lack' of faith..... and then did a number of miracles/healings/etc when they proclaimed the GOSPEL, confirming the message.
 
Yeah you point out how everyone is deluded and lost their way

How are Gods miracles coming along on your end?

Not everyone do miracle.

But if the world situation wouldbe different, like the time of our dear brother apostles, then maybe even I might do miracles, so it is not all wrong what you have add here, but the point is the big delusion, which we should focus.

And because of the unbelief of the others the miracle works may be harden to do, but there is also different kind of gift which, are missing today, which are not dependent so much on other believing, like teachers gift, which seems to miss.

So where is the God's church teachers today, or the prophets, which warn the situation where we are today?

Today's christianity is huge, but it seems to blind, and mute.
 
When I said in my first post

We know Jesus did miracles himself, but this also seems to imply he was also limited

Mark 6:4 But Jesus said unto them,
A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house
.


Mark 6:5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.

Mark 6:6 And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.

Even Jesus could do no mighty work there.

You responded

Now you just try to make, the bad situation, to look good.

We all know that those early churches do have people's who do mighty works, even though they was a very small churches, otherwise than today.

Today we have huge's churches, but no miracle works, and it should be a alarming sound for us all, but it not, because the basic nature of man of the last day's.

1. But know this, that in the last days grievous times shall come. 2. For men shall be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, railers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3. without natural affection, implacable, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, no lovers of good, 4. traitors, headstrong, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God; 5. holding a form of godliness, but having denied the power therefore. From these also turn away. (2 Timothy 3:1-5)

And when I was just agreeable with you saying

Yeah I think your right, I was scripturally trying to make it look a little better for the seeming powerlesness in the many (in the here and now) in showing that even in Jesus (as one) had a tough audience in a certain place (then)

You answered

The big delusion is in the world, and you not helping, because you try to find people's reason to believe, that everything is right, even though it is not.

What good we may achieve, for our self or the others if turn the bad situation to look good? Or if I say to a blind man, who is in his way on the pit , that everything is good?

But see when I used Jesus example (of no mighty work) you stated I was pulling those scriptures to make a bad situation seem somewhat better. But when asked you how you were doing with Gods miracles

You responded

Not everyone do miracle.

But if the world situation wouldbe different, like the time of our dear brother apostles, then maybe even I might do miracles, so it is not all wrong what you have add here, but the point is the big delusion, which we should focus.

And because of the unbelief of the others the miracle works may be harden to do, but there is also different kind of gift which, are missing today, which are not dependent so much on other believing, like teachers gift, which seems to miss.

So where is the God's church teachers today, or the prophets, which warn the situation where we are today?

Today's christianity is huge, but it seems to blind, and mute.

That was what I was pointing out in my first post which you said I wasnt being helpful

Maybe you could pray for the situation?