The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Keeping the Sabbath is not what we do! We are no longer to keep it. The first day of the week (Sunday) is the Lord’s Day.
TruthDefender, show me scripture to prove what you say bout the sabbath:

"We are no longer to keep it. The first day of the week (Sunday) is the Lord’s Day."

and please do not deflect this question.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SabbathBlessing
Take note .... Jesus was a Jew.

Heb 2:16-17
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

If we discount all the scripture written to or for Jews then most of the Bible would be useless. A lot of what Paul wrote was from OT principles or stories.

Another excuse to divide the word so you don't need to apply it to yourself.

ALL SCRIPTURE. 2Ti 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

THE MAN OF GOD.... the blood line makes no difference..

The children of God were Israel.

Israel = (Hebrew: Yisrael) originates from the Bible, meaning "one who struggles/strives with God". Derived from sara ("to struggle/fight") and el ("God"), representing Jacob's struggle with the divine and humanity, yet prevailing.
It is the name given to Jacob, whose descendants became the "Children of Israel" or the Jewish people.

Are we the children of God?

Luk 1:16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

There is no way this is literally 144000. Literally 12000 from each tribe.
Spiritually it works.

We are told....

Gal 3:27-29
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Rom 12:4-5
4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: 5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

ONE BODY... ONE FAMILY.

Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Rom 8:14-15
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Sons of God by the Spirit of ADOPTION.

We are children of God by faith.

But you like to say your a Gentile because that justifies making the parts of word void for you.

1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Rom 3:30-31
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
The main problem you will run into with your interpretation will be the issue of the Mosaic law, and
the prophets. The Catholic Church also uses the same interpretation of the scripture as you do.

The Gentiles (the uncircumcised) were never given the Mosaic law (Acts 15), so the Gentiles were never
under the yoke of the law. This is more strongly emphasized, by the fact, that the Jews were the covenant people.
That covenant was between God and Israel only.

Jesus was only sent to the Jews!

Matthew 15:24
But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

The Jews were natural branches of a cultivated olive tree (Romans 11:24)

The Gentiles are literally described as branches of a wild olive tree (Romans 11:17)

The Gentiles were grafted into the root which is Christ though grafting is not a natural process.

The only way for a Gentile who resided (sojourner) in Israel to sign up to the law. Was for the Gentile
to be circumcised.

That is why circumcision is mentioned in Acts 15 and Galatians 5, because that is the law.

Galatians 5:18
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

Romans 6:15
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace?

Your idea that we are one people of God is true in Christ but unfortunately. Where the law is concerned
the O.T has a primary focus on the Jews. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Plus a huge section of the law.

Your correct that some N.T authors used the O.T for there quotations, but Paul would not tolerate
your legalism. Gentiles cannot submit to the law or any part of the law.
 
Regarding the Sabbath Law, one needs to discern the correct doctrine for Christians by considering the following: 1. The first reference to the Sabbath in the OT is found in Gen. 2:2-3, “God rested from His work and rested on the seventh day and made it holy.” 2. Moses promulgated the Sabbath law as the 4th of the Ten Commandments in Exo. 20:8-11, cf. Lev. 19:3&30, Deut. 5:12-15. 3. Other OT references to the Sabbath include 2Chron. 2:4, Isa. 56:2-6, Jer. 17:21-27 and Ezek. 20:12.

In the NT we find the following regarding the Sabbath: 1. Jesus declared that he is Lord of the Sabbath and it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (in Matt. 12:1-12), healing a crippled woman on the Sabbath (in Luke 13:10-16). 2. If Jesus thought keeping the Sabbath was an important law, he would have affirmed it on these two occasions, but he did not specifically nullify it either, which jibes/harmonizes perfectly with Paul. 3. Paul taught that a person may rest on the Sabbath or not (in Col. 2:16, Gal. 4:9-11 & Rom. 14:5). 4. Paul taught that Christ’s crucifixion abolished the law and commandments that separated the Jews and Gentiles (Eph. 2:13-16). 5. Paul taught that the law was powerless to save because of humanity’s sinful nature, so God sent His Son and the Holy Spirit to save believers in Christ (Rom. 8:1-17). 6. Paul indicated that God disqualifies those who reject the Gospel (Rom. 9:1-5, 30-32, 1o:1-13, 16-21) and that reversion nullifies conversion (Gal. 1:6-9). 7. Hebrews encourages Christians to enter God’s Sabbath rest by persevering faith in Christ’s atonement (Heb. 2:14-4:11).

The primary sin per the NT is ignoring/disbelieving GRFS (Gal. 3:1-14, 1:6-9), and secondary sins are transgression of Christ’s moral law of love (John 13:34), which summarizes the OT moral laws (Matt. 22:37-40) affirmed by the NT (Matt. 5:17-48) and calls them the fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22-23), which does NOT include all 613 laws of Moses, such as those pertaining to mildew and infectious disease in Leviticus 14 or to the Sabbath day (per Col. 2:16-17). Again, the only damning sin is rejection of God’s Messiah/Gospel (Gal. 1:6-9).

Paul may also have written Hebrews, which warns against not entering God’s Sabbath rest by not holding firmly until the end the confidence/faith in Christ (Heb. 3:14, 4:2). Heb. 7:11-10:1 begins as follows: “If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood, why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also… The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless, for the law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God. Such a high priest truly meets our need… the Son, who has been made perfect forever, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven… The ministry of Jesus has received is superior to the old one [of Moses], since the NC is established on better promises… God said, ‘The days are coming when I will make a new covenant’ [Jer. 31:31-34]. It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts… By calling this covenant ‘new’, he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.”

In this passage the Lord says that the OC including the Sabbath Law is obsolete/superseded by the Gospel of Christ. Other Scriptures where Sabbath law is viewed as Levitical rather than moral (because Jesus worked by doing healing) include: Matt. 5:17-20, 12:1-8 & 12-14, Luke 13:10-17, 14:1-6, John 5:1-18 & 9:1-34. These Scriptures indicate that the main reason Jesus was crucified was for the crime of breaking Sabbath law and claiming to be from God. We see that Jesus never taught anyone to keep the 4th commandment and never hinted that it was an eternal moral law, but instead indicated that it is merely Levitical tradition, and so Paul wrote “Do not let anyone judge you… with regard to a Sabbath day” (Col. 2:16). Need GW say more?
 
Is that talking about the law? No, but you said it is.
Desolate = emptiness, Uninhabited, abandoned, forsaken.

The laws of ordinance that Jesus came to end are made void, dead, desolate,
They were nailed to the cross, and abolished.

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Heb 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
Heb 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

Jesus made the cerimonials laws desolate because He has replaced them.
 
  • Like
Reactions: vassal
The main problem you will run into with your interpretation will be the issue of the Mosaic law, and
the prophets. The Catholic Church also uses the same interpretation of the scripture as you do.

The Gentiles (the uncircumcised) were never given the Mosaic law (Acts 15), so the Gentiles were never
under the yoke of the law. This is more strongly emphasized, by the fact, that the Jews were the covenant people.
That covenant was between God and Israel only.

Jesus was only sent to the Jews!

Matthew 15:24
But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

The Jews were natural branches of a cultivated olive tree (Romans 11:24)

The Gentiles are literally described as branches of a wild olive tree (Romans 11:17)

The Gentiles were grafted into the root which is Christ though grafting is not a natural process.

The only way for a Gentile who resided (sojourner) in Israel to sign up to the law. Was for the Gentile
to be circumcised.

That is why circumcision is mentioned in Acts 15 and Galatians 5, because that is the law.

Galatians 5:18
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

Romans 6:15
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace?

Your idea that we are one people of God is true in Christ but unfortunately. Where the law is concerned
the O.T has a primary focus on the Jews. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Plus a huge section of the law.

Your correct that some N.T authors used the O.T for there quotations, but Paul would not tolerate
your legalism. Gentiles cannot submit to the law or any part of the law.
In the Old covenant the way to become a Jew was by circumcision.

The Israel nation was to be a light to the world and God wanted the rebellious people to become Jews. But God also wanted to sepeate the Israel nation from the evil rebellious people around.

Becoming a Jew was a commitment or a heart change. Accepting the Lord as God.

Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

The New covenant was about having the law in the heart and mind.
The time had come for the Gentiles to accept The Lord by faith.

Circumcision of the flesh is easy.
Circumcision of the heart means a commitment.

Baptism was not in the OT times but it is important today. The change from the literal Jewish nation to the spiritual is what has happened. The Christ is the center for both. And a true heart commitment is what God desires.

Fleshly cerimonies and ordinances dont mean anything if your heart is not right.

Times have changed but Gentiles could become children of the Lord in the Old times and God purposely took the gospel to the Gentiles in the new.

Rom 9:23-25
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

God does not change, he wants to save all... He has always loved the Gentiles.
But the condition is a Godly heart.
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

So the point is all were able to obey God's law in all ages.
 
  • Like
Reactions: vassal
Desolate = emptiness, Uninhabited, abandoned, forsaken.

The laws of ordinance that Jesus came to end are made void, dead, desolate,
They were nailed to the cross, and abolished.

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Heb 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
Heb 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

Jesus made the cerimonials laws desolate because He has replaced them.
You're playing games with words. Scripture does not use the word "desolate" to describe the law.

Jesus did not distinguish ceremonial law from any other kind. Nor did Paul, nor did James, nor any other biblical author.
 
Regarding the Sabbath Law, one needs to discern the correct doctrine for Christians by considering the following: 1. The first reference to the Sabbath in the OT is found in Gen. 2:2-3, “God rested from His work and rested on the seventh day and made it holy.” 2. Moses promulgated the Sabbath law as the 4th of the Ten Commandments in Exo. 20:8-11, cf. Lev. 19:3&30, Deut. 5:12-15. 3. Other OT references to the Sabbath include 2Chron. 2:4, Isa. 56:2-6, Jer. 17:21-27 and Ezek. 20:12.

In the NT we find the following regarding the Sabbath: 1. Jesus declared that he is Lord of the Sabbath and it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (in Matt. 12:1-12), healing a crippled woman on the Sabbath (in Luke 13:10-16). 2. If Jesus thought keeping the Sabbath was an important law, he would have affirmed it on these two occasions, but he did not specifically nullify it either, which jibes/harmonizes perfectly with Paul. 3. Paul taught that a person may rest on the Sabbath or not (in Col. 2:16, Gal. 4:9-11 & Rom. 14:5). 4. Paul taught that Christ’s crucifixion abolished the law and commandments that separated the Jews and Gentiles (Eph. 2:13-16). 5. Paul taught that the law was powerless to save because of humanity’s sinful nature, so God sent His Son and the Holy Spirit to save believers in Christ (Rom. 8:1-17). 6. Paul indicated that God disqualifies those who reject the Gospel (Rom. 9:1-5, 30-32, 1o:1-13, 16-21) and that reversion nullifies conversion (Gal. 1:6-9). 7. Hebrews encourages Christians to enter God’s Sabbath rest by persevering faith in Christ’s atonement (Heb. 2:14-4:11).

The primary sin per the NT is ignoring/disbelieving GRFS (Gal. 3:1-14, 1:6-9), and secondary sins are transgression of Christ’s moral law of love (John 13:34), which summarizes the OT moral laws (Matt. 22:37-40) affirmed by the NT (Matt. 5:17-48) and calls them the fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22-23), which does NOT include all 613 laws of Moses, such as those pertaining to mildew and infectious disease in Leviticus 14 or to the Sabbath day (per Col. 2:16-17). Again, the only damning sin is rejection of God’s Messiah/Gospel (Gal. 1:6-9).

Paul may also have written Hebrews, which warns against not entering God’s Sabbath rest by not holding firmly until the end the confidence/faith in Christ (Heb. 3:14, 4:2). Heb. 7:11-10:1 begins as follows: “If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood, why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also… The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless, for the law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God. Such a high priest truly meets our need… the Son, who has been made perfect forever, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven… The ministry of Jesus has received is superior to the old one [of Moses], since the NC is established on better promises… God said, ‘The days are coming when I will make a new covenant’ [Jer. 31:31-34]. It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts… By calling this covenant ‘new’, he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.”

In this passage the Lord says that the OC including the Sabbath Law is obsolete/superseded by the Gospel of Christ. Other Scriptures where Sabbath law is viewed as Levitical rather than moral (because Jesus worked by doing healing) include: Matt. 5:17-20, 12:1-8 & 12-14, Luke 13:10-17, 14:1-6, John 5:1-18 & 9:1-34. These Scriptures indicate that the main reason Jesus was crucified was for the crime of breaking Sabbath law and claiming to be from God. We see that Jesus never taught anyone to keep the 4th commandment and never hinted that it was an eternal moral law, but instead indicated that it is merely Levitical tradition, and so Paul wrote “Do not let anyone judge you… with regard to a Sabbath day” (Col. 2:16). Need GW say more?
When you consider the FACT that God blessed the sabbath and made it holy at creation. Before sin, before a saviour was needed. This is a day that is set aside by God for holy use. A Time to keep holy as a blessing for all of creation.

When and where in the bible does God say it is no longer holy?

No where in the word are we told to not keep it holy.

Jesus came on the seen and obeyed the sabbath law perfectly.

You may think that Jesus did not keep the sabbath perfectly but that would make Him a sinner. The pharisees had attached man made rules to the sabbath. They made it such a burden and so hard to obey that it was no longer a delight.

Jesus said.... Mar 2:27-28
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

As Lord of the sabbath He was not transgressing it or saying we should not obey it.

It was made for man.
It is still today made for man.

The moral law is important to define sin.
And God put the sabbath in the moral law. God even said REMEMBER the sabbath day to keep it holy.

The 4th commandment is the only law that people seem to ignore, out of the 10.

Col 2 is clearly talking about ordinances.

Col 2:14-17 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

We know this is not referring to the 10 commandments. Because the Moral laws are holy just and good. And Paul said love fulfills the law Roms 13:10.

But the cerimonial laws of ordinance which does not include the 10 is nailed to the cross. Other Sabbaths were part of cerimonial laws. Lev 23:24, 32. Which could happen on any day of the week.

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Heb 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary..... 9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

Jesus brought those ordinances to an end. Abolished, nailed to the cross, blotted out.

But Jesus also said
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
 
You're playing games with words. Scripture does not use the word "desolate" to describe the law.

Jesus did not distinguish ceremonial law from any other kind. Nor did Paul, nor did James, nor any other biblical author.
I ask you ....

Was there a difference between the laws given to deal with sin and the laws that defined sin?

Was there a difference between the laws God wrote with His finger and the laws Moses wrote?

Was there a difference between the cerimonial laws and the moral laws?

Was there a difference between the laws that were added 430 years after the covenant was made with Abraham, and the laws before that time? Gal 3:17-19.
Or should I say ... is there a difference between the laws that were added because of transgression and the laws that define transgression?

Is there a difference between the laws in Exodus 20 and in James 2:11, and Mat 19:18,19. And in Rom 7:7, and Rom 13:9?

Is there a difference between the priestly ministry of Jesus in the heavenly sanctuary and the priestly ministry in the Earthly temples and sanctuaries. Heb 8:5, 9:9-12, 10:4. ?
 
  • Like
Reactions: SabbathBlessing
I ask you ....

Was there a difference between the laws given to deal with sin and the laws that defined sin?

Was there a difference between the laws God wrote with His finger and the laws Moses wrote?

Was there a difference between the cerimonial laws and the moral laws?

Was there a difference between the laws that were added 430 years after the covenant was made with Abraham, and the laws before that time? Gal 3:17-19.
Or should I say ... is there a difference between the laws that were added because of transgression and the laws that define transgression?

Is there a difference between the laws in Exodus 20 and in James 2:11, and Mat 19:18,19. And in Rom 7:7, and Rom 13:9?

Is there a difference between the priestly ministry of Jesus in the heavenly sanctuary and the priestly ministry in the Earthly temples and sanctuaries. Heb 8:5, 9:9-12, 10:4. ?
Did any of the biblical authors distinguish between moral, civil, and ceremonial laws?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Inquisitor
Yes, the Bible maintains a clear and vital distinction between the moral law, the ceremonial law, and civil statutes. Understanding these differences is essential for a correct grasp of God’s will and our relationship to His word.

The Moral Law: The Eternal Standard
The moral law, primarily contained in the Ten Commandments, is the foundation of God's government. It is distinct because it was spoken by God’s own voice and written with His own finger on tables of stone (Exodus 20:1-17, Exodus 24:12).

Its Nature:
It is spiritual and "exceeding broad," covering the very thoughts and intents of the heart (Psalm 119:96, Matthew 5:27-28).

Its Perpetuity:
This law is an abiding statement of the divine will. Jesus Christ Himself declared that not one jot or tittle would pass from the law till heaven and earth pass away (Matthew 5:17-18).

Its Purpose:
It provides the knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20) and remains the standard for the remnant church, who are identified by their keeping of the commandments of God (Revelation 12:17, Revelation 22:14).

The Ceremonial Law: The Shadow of Christ
The ceremonial law consisted of "carnal ordinances" and "divers washings" that were temporary and local in their application.

Its Nature:
These were transient ordinances that pointed forward to the ministry of Christ. They included the system of burnt offerings and sacrifices that were performed at the altar (Exodus 20:24-26, 1Chronicles 16:40).

Its End:
Because these were shadows of things to come, they were fulfilled and "abolished" at the cross when the true Lamb of God was sacrificed. To go back to this system for justification is to fall from grace, as the blood of bulls and goats could never actually take away sin (Acts 15:10-11).

The Civil Law: Statutes for a Nation
In the ancient theocracy of Israel, God provided civil laws to govern their social relations and judicial processes.

Restitution vs. Morality:
There is a clear difference between a moral law (like "Thou shalt not steal") and a civil penalty for its breach. For example, the requirement to restore four-fold for a stolen sheep is a civil obligation arising from the transgression of the moral commandment (Exodus 22:1).

Application:
While the moral principles underlying justice are eternal, the specific civil penalties of the deceased theocratic state of Israel were local and national. However, the Bible teaches that even in civil matters, we are to render to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's, acknowledging that God puts no difference between people of different nations (Acts 15:8-9, Matthew 23:8).

Summary of the Distinction
The Lord Himself drew the line of distinction when He spoke the "Ten Words" out of the fire and "added no more," placing them on stone to show their permanence (Deuteronomy 5:22). In contrast, the other statutes were delivered through Moses to meet the specific needs of the people's journey and worship (Exodus 24:12).

This verse refers to more then 1 law.
Notice Gods law that He gave and the laws given by the hand of moses.

13 You came down also on mount Sinai, and spoke with them from heaven, and gave them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments: 14 And made known to them your holy sabbath, AND commanded them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses your servant: Nehemiah 9:13-14.
Here, the "true laws" and "holy sabbath" are linked to God speaking from heaven (the Moral Law), while the other "precepts" were given "by the hand of Moses" (the Ceremonial Law).

Notice Paul uses similar words
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Psa 111:7-8
7 The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all HIS commandments are sure. 8 They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.

ALL HIS commandments are sure and stand fast forever and ever.

God's commandments are not nailed to the cross and abolished or made void.

The Shadow laws were only until Christ..
Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

A clear distinction which i hope your eyes are able to see..
 
  • Love
Reactions: vassal
You don't give simple answers

Yes there is a distinction by God between the moral civil and cerimonial laws.
Dodge!

Please cite the Scripture where God distinguishes between moral, civil, and ceremonial laws... and get your spelling sorted.
 
Jesus said the Sabbath is made for mankind- He is LORD of the Sabbath Mat2:27-28 not the first day. If Jesus is LORD of the Sabbath, who lords the first day- not anything God claimed for Himself- thats sadly is the counterfeit we were all warned about Dan7:25

God invites us to going ourselves to the LORD Isa 56:6 will we accept His invitation or follow what man deems above our Lord and Savior Exo20:8-11 Col2:8 Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13
Jesus, God the Son, is Lord of the Sabbath. He is also Lord of the first day (Sunday), since He was raised from the dead on Sunday, and sits at the right hand of God the Father.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Dino246
TruthDefender, show me scripture to prove what you say bout the sabbath:

"We are no longer to keep it. The first day of the week (Sunday) is the Lord’s Day."

and please do not deflect this question.
You can’t have 2 covenants in effect. Either we are in the OC, keeping the Sabbath, living under the Law (which was nailed to the cross, or living under the NC.
Try reading Hebrews, and Galatians.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Dino246
You can’t have 2 covenants in effect. Either we are in the OC, keeping the Sabbath, living under the Law (which was nailed to the cross, or living under the NC.
Try reading Hebrews, and Galatians.
A very specific question but you deflect ,deflect ,deflect. No answer because you know but wont admit it, you dont want to change.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TMS
You can’t have 2 covenants in effect. Either we are in the OC, keeping the Sabbath, living under the Law (which was nailed to the cross, or living under the NC.
Try reading Hebrews, and Galatians.
You go wrong when you presume that the moral law, the royal law, is nailed to the cross.

The law of ordinances was nailed to the cross. It has been explained many times how to distinguish the cerimonial ordinances from the moral law.

The laws that were a shadow are abolished in Christ.

Eph 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Heb 9:8-10
8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: 9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

The Shadow laws are abolished
The pattern that Moses was given was all pointing to Jesus the true....

Neh 9:13-14
13 Thou (God) camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments: 14 And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, AND commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant:
The Lord gave the 10 commandments Himself. But gave the other laws by the hand of Moses.

The moral laws are not removed.
Psa 111:7-8
7 The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. 8 They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.

Rom 7:12
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Mat 5:17-18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Rev 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The moral law defines sin
It does not save us but we delight to obey it because we love the Lord.
 
You go wrong when you presume that the moral law, the royal law, is nailed to the cross.

The law of ordinances was nailed to the cross. It has been explained many times how to distinguish the cerimonial ordinances from the moral law.

The laws that were a shadow are abolished in Christ.

Eph 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Heb 9:8-10
8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: 9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

The Shadow laws are abolished
The pattern that Moses was given was all pointing to Jesus the true....

Neh 9:13-14
13 Thou (God) camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments: 14 And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, AND commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant:
The Lord gave the 10 commandments Himself. But gave the other laws by the hand of Moses.

The moral laws are not removed.
Psa 111:7-8
7 The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. 8 They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.

Rom 7:12
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Mat 5:17-18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Rev 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The moral law defines sin
It does not save us but we delight to obey it because we love the Lord.
I hope you know that 9 of the 10 commandments are in the NT?
 
I hope you know that 9 of the 10 commandments are in the NT?
All 10 are

People debate about Heb 4.

Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

The sabbath rest at creation.

Heb 4:9-10
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

There remaineth a rest. = sabbath
Look up the word REST. It is the only place sabbath is used. The word rest is different in all the other verses.

A sabbath remains to the people of God.

He that entered into "His rest" = the rest found in Jesus, which is the gospel truth.
He ALSO hath ceased from his own works = sabbath rest

This must be a sabbath rest because it states "As GOD DID FROM HIS."

God did not rest in the gospel, He has not needed spiritual rest from sin, God rested on The Sabbath day at creation as a memorial for all generations

So the rest we also have is the sabbath rest.
Heb 4:9-10
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

NT command to rest on the Sabbath.