The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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No, we are told that the 10 commandments are for unbelievers. They are not void, we are made void. Then we are raised from the dead and subject to a new law, the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ.

"For through the law I died to the law so that I might live to God." Galatians 2:19. What laws apply to dead people?
But now, having died to what bound us, we have been released from the law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code." Romans 7:6.

"All who rely on works of the law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Now it is clear that no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” The law, however, is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.” Galatians 3: 1-12

"For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set you free from the law of sin and death." Romans 8:2.
so Jesus when he said to the rich young man to enter into life to follow the commandments and them enumerated them was all wrong?

Jesus was wrong?? Did he change his mind? did not God ask us to listen to him? are not his words eternal life? was paul wrong also the he said the commandments were just and Good?

ypu and @rogerg speak of the law of the spirit of life, or other statutes what are they exactly can I have the details? when Jesus spoke of the Commandments , he Spoke of the Ten commandments and made it clear, what you say provide no clarity, i need the details or all of it remains perfectly vague.
 
Yes, the Decalogue was part of the OC/Torah for Jews, which served its purpose and has been superseded per Heb. 7:11-10:10.
yes the levetical priesthood was a shadow, the law of Moses that awas added because the israelites were chronic idol worshippers they did not obey the ten commandments,. is all toast but what about the ten Commandments Jesus taught and explained in detail in his Ministry? what about what he said"if you Love me keep my Commandments?
 
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yes the levetical priesthood was a shadow, the law of Moses that awas added because the israelites were chronic idol worshippers they did not obey the ten commandments,. is all toast but what about the ten Commandments Jesus taught and explained in detail in his Ministry? what about what he said"if you Love me keep my Commandments?

Glad we agree that the OC Torah foreshadowed the NC Gospel, which superseded it per Heb. 7:11-10:10.

The Torah included the Decalogue, and the NT includes the Unilogue (Matt. 7:12, 22:37-40, John 13:35,
1John 4:7-5:1, Gal. 5:6, Col. 2:16-17).

Do you disagree with this truth (2Thes. 2:10)?
 
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so Jesus when he said to the rich young man to enter into life to follow the commandments and them enumerated them was all wrong?
You didn't identify which verse(s) you had in mind, but I'll assume you meant Mat 19:16 -22.
I think the answer is that the rich young man asked Jesus, "what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life". He phrased the question such that he was asking for the requirements that his works must satisfy for him to obtain eternal life, and based upon that question, Jesus responded in kind to it with the requirements that he would have to satisfy (vs 19 -21). However, Jesus went on to tell His disciples later after they asked Him the question, "Who then can be saved", He answered, "with men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible". In other words, that salvation is impossible for man to achieve by his keeping of the commandments or by other good works neither by any other way - but is only freely given to someone by God.

[Mat 19:16, 25-26 KJV]
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? ...
25 When his disciples heard [it], they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
26 But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
 
You didn't identify which verse(s) you had in mind, but I'll assume you meant Mat 19:16 -22.
I think the answer is that the rich young man asked Jesus, "what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life". He phrased the question such that he was asking for the requirements that his works must satisfy for him to obtain eternal life, and based upon that question, Jesus responded in kind to it with the requirements that he would have to satisfy (vs 19 -21). However, Jesus went on to tell His disciples later after they asked Him the question, "Who then can be saved", He answered, "with men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible". In other words, that salvation is impossible for man to achieve by his keeping of the commandments or by other good works neither by any other way - but is only freely given to someone by God.

[Mat 19:16, 25-26 KJV]
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? ...
25 When his disciples heard [it], they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
26 But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Yes, freely, but conditionally (note the IFs in John 8, which tulipists hate).
 
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Glad we agree that the OC Torah foreshadowed the NC Gospel, which superseded it per Heb. 7:11-10:10.

The Torah included the Decalogue, and the NT includes the Unilogue (Matt. 7:12, 22:37-40, John 13:35,
1John 4:7-5:1, Gal. 5:6, Col. 2:16-17).

Do you disagree with this truth (2Thes. 2:10)?
read the opening post of this thread there is a distinction to make between the ten commandments and the rest of the law of Moses this is certain to prove they are ten commandments are still valid in revelations

Rev 11:19 And there was opened the temple of God that is in heaven; and there was seen in his temple the ark of his covenant; and there followed lightnings, and voices, and thunders, and an earthquake, and great hail.

the contents of the ark was the tables with the ten commandments, manna and Aaron's staff, the rest of the law of Moses that was added later because to their constant disobedience were NOT placed in the Ark Of the Covenant. only the Ark is mentioned not the rest of the law of Moses.

Also may I ask why why some people are against the commandments. To me they are all good nothing wrong about them on the contrary. in essence we have to Keep the core of the commandments, first to love God with all our hearts and Mind and Love one another, these fulfill the Commandments.

also what does Love God means? what do we have to do, same for loving our fellow man, are not the ten commandments some basic guidelines to do these properly and sets a line we should never cross, like murder...making idols... in the beatitudes Jesus explained what character, qualities we should emulate, the type that belongs in the Kingdom of heaven, God/Jesus wants to save all of us if we let them. they invite us to ba part of the Kingdom of heaven and we wont enter it in filthy rags.

Love is the Key, this is why Jesus came to save us to give His life for ours. I cannot forget that and I listen to Him.

Jesus made it simple when he said;

Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets. that is one of his commandments too.

Jesus made it even simpler when he said he would send us the Holy Spirit to guide us and so we can remember scripture, we have no excuse not to listen,

sorry brothers ans sisters, I don't remember the verses number for all I write but if you need I will provide.
 
You didn't identify which verse(s) you had in mind, but I'll assume you meant Mat 19:16 -22.
I think the answer is that the rich young man asked Jesus, "what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life". He phrased the question such that he was asking for the requirements that his works must satisfy for him to obtain eternal life, and based upon that question, Jesus responded in kind to it with the requirements that he would have to satisfy (vs 19 -21). However, Jesus went on to tell His disciples later after they asked Him the question, "Who then can be saved", He answered, "with men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible". In other words, that salvation is impossible for man to achieve by his keeping of the commandments or by other good works neither by any other way - but is only freely given to someone by God.

[Mat 19:16, 25-26 KJV]
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? ...
25 When his disciples heard [it], they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
26 But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
yes RorerG on our Own we cannot make it that is why Jesus asked the Father in heaven to send us the Holy Spirit;

John 14:15-32 (ASV)

15
If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may be with you for ever,

17 even the Spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive; for it beholdeth him not, neither knoweth him: ye know him; for he abideth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you desolate: I come unto you.

19 Yet a little while, and the world beholdeth me no more; but ye behold me: because I live, ye shall live also.

20 In that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself unto him.

22 Judas (not Iscariot) saith unto him, Lord, what is come to pass that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my word: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my words: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's who sent me.

25 These things have I spoken unto you, while yet abiding with you.

26 But the Comforter, even the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you.

27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be fearful.

28 Ye heard how I said to you, I go away, and I come unto you. If ye loved me, ye would have rejoiced, because I go unto the Father: for the Father is greater than I.

29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe.

30 I will no more speak much with you, for the prince of the world cometh: and he hath nothing in me;

31 but that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.
 
Glad we agree that the OC Torah foreshadowed the NC Gospel, which superseded it per Heb. 7:11-10:10.

The Torah included the Decalogue, and the NT includes the Unilogue (Matt. 7:12, 22:37-40, John 13:35,
1John 4:7-5:1, Gal. 5:6, Col. 2:16-17).

Do you disagree with this truth (2Thes. 2:10)?
never heard of an unilogue before can you define for me? and I agree with 2Thes 2:10
 
Its a glorious day here in Quebec, the cycling path passing in front of my house in the woods is calling to me...LOL

Ill catch you later today, Have a good morning.
 
Yes, the Decalogue was part of the OC/Torah for Jews, which served its purpose and has been superseded per Heb. 7:11-10:10.
This is according to some traditions, but not according to the truth of the Word, for it is self-evident from the Lord's teaching in the Gospel, especially about the commandments leading to inheritance life eternal

And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?...

Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.


What was strictly for the Judaic Church were the ceremonies, but the commandments are for all, as it is testified in the Old Testament, New and the Epistles. Thus Paul says that he delights in it with his internal man, and that man will be judged by his works, similarly James. Otherwise, if faith were to save without the commandments, then it would not matter if a man lives in all kinds of crimes, and at the same believes as the demons do, who believe and tremble, according to James.

In greater detail:

"That a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law (Rom. 3:28),
was not rightly understood, for by faith here [it was claimed] Paul did not mean the faith of the present church, which is a faith in three Divine persons from eternity, but faith in the Lord God the Savior Jesus Christ; also that by "the deeds of the law," he did not mean the deeds of the law of the Decalogue, but the deeds of the Mosaic law, which were for the Jews; thus that by a wrong interpretation of those few words, two enormous falsities had been established, one, that Paul here meant the faith of the present church, and the other, that he meant the deeds of the law of the Decalogue. It is clearly evident [these claimed] that Paul meant the works of the Mosaic law, which were for the Jews, and not the works of the Decalogue, from what he said to Peter, whom he accused of Judaizing, although he knew
That no one is justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ (Gal. 2:14-16);
"the faith of Jesus Christ" meaning faith in Him and from Him (as may be seen above, n. 338). And because by "the deeds of the law" Paul meant the deeds of the Mosaic law, he distinguished between the law of faith and the law of works, and between the Jews and the Gentiles, or "circumcision" and "uncircumcision," "circumcision" signifying Judaism here as everywhere else. Moreover, Paul closes with these words:
Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? God forbid; but we establish the law (saying this in connection with the foregoing), (Rom. 3:27-31).
Likewise in the preceding chapter:
Not the hearers of a law shall be justified before God, but the doers of a law shall be justified (Rom. 2:13);
again:
God will render to every man according to his deeds (Rom. 2:6);
and again:
For we must all be made manifest before the judgement-seat of Christ, that everyone may receive the things done through the body, whether it be good or bad (2 Cor. 5:10);
besides other passages in his writings. From all this it is clear that Paul rejected faith without works, just as James did (2:17-26).
[3] That Paul meant the deeds of the Mosaic law, which were for the Jews, these were still further convinced from the fact that all the statutes written for the Jews in uses are called "the law," thus, "the deeds of the law," as can be seen from the following:
This is the law of the meal offering (Lev. 6:14, 18 seq.).
This is the law for the burnt offering, for the meal offering, and for the sin offering, and for the guilt offering, and for the consecrations (Lev. 7:37).
This is the law of the beast and of the fowl (Lev. 11:46 seq.).
This is the law for her that beareth a son or a daughter (Lev. 12:7).
This is the law of leprosy (Lev. 13:59; 14:2, 32, 54, 57).
This is the law of him that hath an issue (Lev. 15:32).
This is the law of jealousy (Num. 5:29, 30).
This is the law of the Nazarite (Num. 6:13, 21).
This is the law of cleansing (Num. 19:14).
This is the law respecting the red heifer (Num. 19:2).
The law for the king (Deut. 17:15-19).
Indeed, the whole book of Moses is called "the book of the law," Deut. 31:9, 11, 12, 26; also in Luke 2:22; 24:44; John 1:45; 7:22, 23; 8:5.
[4] To this they have also added, that they saw in Paul that men should live according to the law of the Decalogue, and that the law is fulfilled by charity (Rom. 13:8-11); and that he also says:
That these are three, faith, hope, charity, and that the greatest of these is charity (1 Cor. 13:13),
not faith therefore." (Trrue Christian Religion #504, by Em. Swedenborg)
 
He came to magnify the law.
Isa 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

No where are we told that the 10 commandments are made void.
Nor is it said the Law is just the Ten
 
"That a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law (Rom. 3:28),
was not rightly understood, for by faith here [it was claimed] Paul did not mean the faith of the present church, which is a faith in three Divine persons from eternity, but faith in the Lord God the Savior Jesus Christ; also that by "the deeds of the law," he did not mean the deeds of the law of the Decalogue, but the deeds of the Mosaic law, which were for the Jews; thus that by a wrong interpretation of those few words, two enormous falsities had been established, one, that Paul here meant the faith of the present church, and the other, that he meant the deeds of the law of the Decalogue. It is clearly evident [these claimed] that Paul meant the works of the Mosaic law, which were for the Jews, and not the works of the Decalogue, from what he said to Peter, whom he accused of Judaizing, although he knew
That no one is justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ (Gal. 2:14-16);
"the faith of Jesus Christ" meaning faith in Him and from Him (as may be seen above, n. 338). And because by "the deeds of the law" Paul meant the deeds of the Mosaic law, he distinguished between the law of faith and the law of works, and between the Jews and the Gentiles, or "circumcision" and "uncircumcision," "circumcision" signifying Judaism here as everywhere else. Moreover, Paul closes with these words:
Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? God forbid; but we establish the law (saying this in connection with the foregoing), (Rom. 3:27-31).
Not true. The Law that he speaks of is that which tells us what sin and is established by faith. That would include but is not limited to the Ten commandments. For there are many laws in the Book of the Law that are not even remotely connected to the Ten commandments that tell us what sin is to this day.
 
Not true. The Law that he speaks of is that which tells us what sin and is established by faith. That would include but is not limited to the Ten commandments. For there are many laws in the Book of the Law that are not even remotely connected to the Ten commandments that tell us what sin is to this day.
The Lord and the disciples in teaching the repentance, are generally referring to the Ten Commandments, which are in the general sense representing all the spiritual-moral commandments, mentioned in the Old Testament and New Testament. The other commandments, which relate strictly to the ceremonial laws, which were for the Jews, after the Lord's Glorification are no longer necessarily, and everything essential in those ceneromial rites were gathered into the holy supper and baptism. Besides, there is also a subject of the priestly orders, which even in the christian church resembles to some degree the three-degrees of the priesthood of the Old Testament, but that is a different subject.

What is essential that a man should not be thinking that it is enough for him to believe but whether he shuns adultery murder false witness does not make any difference with regard to salvation. Of this attitude the Lord speaks directly in the Gospels.

So, let us be honest and follow the Lord and not just any tradition no matter how long and important it may have been.
 
The Lord and the disciples in teaching the repentance, are generally referring to the Ten Commandments, which are in the general sense representing all the spiritual-moral commandments, mentioned in the Old Testament and New Testament. The other commandments, which relate strictly to the ceremonial laws, which were for the Jews, after the Lord's Glorification are no longer necessarily, and everything essential in those ceneromial rites were gathered into the holy supper and baptism. Besides, there is also a subject of the priestly orders, which even in the christian church resembles to some degree the three-degrees of the priesthood of the Old Testament, but that is a different subject.

What is essential that a man should not be thinking that it is enough for him to believe but whether he shuns adultery murder false witness does not make any difference with regard to salvation. Of this attitude the Lord speaks directly in the Gospels.

So, let us be honest and follow the Lord and not just any tradition no matter how long and important it may have been.
So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law/righteousness of obeying it through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Rom7:46

Which law is Paul writing about in the above, does it include the decalogue? In the next five verses he tells us, he gives an example of why he had to die to the law as he put it:

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 7-11


9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 7-11

The example Paul gave as to why he had to die to the law/righteousness of obeying it was: Thou shalt not covet, one of the ten commandments
 
So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law/righteousness of obeying it through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Rom7:46

Which law is Paul writing about in the above, does it include the decalogue? In the next five verses he tells us, he gives an example of why he had to die to the law as he put it:

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 7-11


9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 7-11

The example Paul gave as to why he had to die to the law/righteousness of obeying it was: Thou shalt not covet, one of the ten commandments
Here Paul accomodates himself to the merely natural minds of those folks of those times, basically, arguing from their points in some places, and clarifying the matters in the more genuine light in others. So, in some places, he presents himself standing on the position of the external mind with its lusts and appearances, and in other places, he speaks in the more elevated way, from the position of the more interior man.

So, in some places he attributes all the problems to the law, as if the latter being the cause of all the problems, for this is how it appears to a person with a merely natural mind, besides, that it is God who persecutes him, hates him, destroys him, etc. While in other places Paul clarifies that the law is good, and that he delights in its with his internal man. While his external man hates it.

I added the emphasis so that it may become more clear what is what.

14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature[d] a slave to the law of sin.


So, basically, Paul is saying that he knows that the law, that is, the law in its essence, which is the spiritual-moral commandments, leading to life eternal (according to the citations from Gospel), is good, but that he, Paul, enjoys that law in his internal mind, thus, in intentions, commitments, determinations, but when it comes to follow it in real life, thus, in shunning adultery, hatred, revenge, dishonesty, hypocrisy, then he finds that in his external man there are tendencies loving those evils, and hating the will of God, thus hating the commandments, and basically willing to remain in the faith of demons, of which James speaks.

So, he is disposed to be a slave to God's law, in his internal man, but in his external he wants to commit all kind of evils.

The way to regeneration then is to bring the external man in correspondence with the internal, thus to live according to the dispositions, intentions, commitments, determinations, not in such a way that a Christian would be talking about loving justice, righteousness, equitability, chastity, but in fact acting like demons, and even parading that, being proud in not avoiding those evils, thus living worse that the unistructed heathen.

"302. In the spiritual sense, this commandment signifies man's reformation and regeneration by the Lord, "the six days of labor" signifying his warfare against the flesh and its lusts, and at the same time against the evils and falsities that are in him from hell, and "the seventh day" signifying his conjunction with the Lord, and regeneration thereby. That man's spiritual labor continues as long as that warfare lasts, but when he is regenerated he has rest, will be shown in what is to be said hereafter in the chapter on Reformation and Regeneration, especially under the following sections there:
(1) Regeneration is effected in a manner analogous to that in which man is conceived, carried in a womb, born, and educated
(2) The first act in the new birth is called reformation, which belongs to the understanding; and the second is called regeneration, which belongs to the will and therefrom to the understanding.
(3) The internal man is to be reformed first, and through that the external.
(4) Then a conflict arises between the internal and the external man, and the one that conquers rules the other.
(5) The regenerate man has a new will, and a new understanding; and so forth.
The reformation and regeneration of man are signified by this commandment in the spiritual sense, because they coincide with the labors and combats of the Lord with the hells, and with His victory over them, and the rest that followed. For the Lord reforms and regenerates man and renders him spiritual in the same manner in which He glorified His Human and made it Divine; and this is the meaning of the command to "follow Him." That the Lord had combats, which are called "labors," is evident from Isa. 53 and 58; and that like things are called "labors" in reference to men, from Isa. 65:23; Apoc. 51:2, 3."

"596. VII. WHEN THIS TAKES PLACE A CONFLICT ARISES BETWEEN THE INTERNAL AND THE EXTERNAL MAN, AND THEN THE ONE THAT CONQUERS RULES OVER THE OTHER.
A conflict then arises because the internal man is reformed by means of truths; and from truths he sees what is evil and false, which evil and falsity are still in the external or natural man; consequently disagreement first springs up between the new will, which is above, and the old will, which is below; and as the disagreement is between the two wills, it is also between their delights; for the flesh, it is well known, is opposed to the spirit and the spirit to the flesh, and the flesh with its lusts must be subdued before the spirit can act and man become new. After this disagreement of the two wills a conflict arises; and this is called spiritual temptation. This temptation or conflict does not take place between goods and evils, but between the truths of good and the falsities of evil. For good cannot fight from itself but fights by means of truths; nor can evil fight from itself but by means of its falsities; just as the will cannot fight from itself but by means of the understanding where its truths reside.
[2] Man is not sensible of that conflict except as in himself, and as remorse of conscience; and yet it is the Lord and the devil (that is, hell) that are fighting in man, and they are fighting for dominion over him, or to determine who shall possess him. The devil or hell attacks man and calls out his evils, while the Lord protects him and calls out his goods. Although that conflict takes place in the spiritual world, still it takes place in man between the truths of good and the falsities of evil that are in him; therefore man must fight wholly as if of himself, for he has the freedom of choice to act for the Lord, and also to act for the devil; he is for the Lord, if he abides in truths from good, and for the devil, if he abides in falsities from evil. From this it follows that whichever conquers, the internal man or the external, that one rules over the other; precisely like two hostile powers contending as to which shall be master of the other's kingdom-the conqueror takes possession of the kingdom, and places all in it under obedience to himself. In this case, therefore, if the internal man conquers, he obtains dominion and subjugates all the evils of the external man, and regeneration then goes on; but if the external man conquers, he obtains the dominion, and dissipates all the goods of the internal man, and regeneration perishes."
 
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So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law/righteousness of obeying it through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Rom7:46

Which law is Paul writing about in the above, does it include the decalogue? In the next five verses he tells us, he gives an example of why he had to die to the law as he put it:

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 7-11


9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 7-11

The example Paul gave as to why he had to die to the law/righteousness of obeying it was: Thou shalt not covet, one of the ten commandments
Paul always spoke of the old law of Moses never the commandments this is evident of you look closely, Paul could not have said not to follow the commandments or he would be opposed to Jesus who said to keep them, and that cannot be. We must see scripture through the lens of Christ and not the reverse, Why according to Christ? do I have to remind people that Christ was given all authority on earth and heaven? His words are truth and Living water giving eternal life.
 
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read the opening post of this thread there is a distinction to make between the ten commandments and the rest of the law of Moses this is certain to prove they are ten commandments are still valid in revelations

Rev 11:19 And there was opened the temple of God that is in heaven; and there was seen in his temple the ark of his covenant; and there followed lightnings, and voices, and thunders, and an earthquake, and great hail.

the contents of the ark was the tables with the ten commandments, manna and Aaron's staff, the rest of the law of Moses that was added later because to their constant disobedience were NOT placed in the Ark Of the Covenant. only the Ark is mentioned not the rest of the law of Moses.

Also may I ask why why some people are against the commandments. To me they are all good nothing wrong about them on the contrary. in essence we have to Keep the core of the commandments, first to love God with all our hearts and Mind and Love one another, these fulfill the Commandments.

also what does Love God means? what do we have to do, same for loving our fellow man, are not the ten commandments some basic guidelines to do these properly and sets a line we should never cross, like murder...making idols... in the beatitudes Jesus explained what character, qualities we should emulate, the type that belongs in the Kingdom of heaven, God/Jesus wants to save all of us if we let them. they invite us to ba part of the Kingdom of heaven and we wont enter it in filthy rags.

Love is the Key, this is why Jesus came to save us to give His life for ours. I cannot forget that and I listen to Him.

Jesus made it simple when he said;

Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets. that is one of his commandments too.

Jesus made it even simpler when he said he would send us the Holy Spirit to guide us and so we can remember scripture, we have no excuse not to listen,

sorry brothers ans sisters, I don't remember the verses number for all I write but if you need I will provide.

Yes, the Decalogue was most esteemed in the Torah, and now the Unilogue should be esteemed over all.
although Rev. 11:19 does not teach the NT truth that the Gospel supersedes the Decalogue, even though all
except the 4th are reaffirmed as aspects of the Unilogue/Christ's new commandment to love others.

Instead of reaffirming Sabbath Law, Jesus said it is right to do good on that day as well as every other day.
Not working is not loving (cf. Col. 2:16-17), and love is indeed the key commandment (1John 4:6-5:1, Gal. 5:6).
We love others by reflecting the love of the HS (Rom. 5:5). :love:
 
Paul always spoke of the old law of Moses never the commandments this is evident of you look closely, Paul could not have said not to follow the commandments or he would be opposed to Jesus who said to keep them, and that cannot be. We must see scripture through the lens of Christ and not the reverse, Why according to Christ? do I have to remind people that Christ was given all authority on earth and heaven? His words are truth and Living water giving eternal life.
Paul said believers die to the law, they are released form it, and serve in the new way of the Spirit not the old way of the written code. He gave an example of one of the ten commandments concerning this. If one understands Paul's message, they will accept what he wrote
 
Paul always spoke of the old law of Moses never the commandments this is evident of you look closely, Paul could not have said not to follow the commandments or he would be opposed to Jesus who said to keep them, and that cannot be. We must see scripture through the lens of Christ and not the reverse, Why according to Christ? do I have to remind people that Christ was given all authority on earth and heaven? His words are truth and Living water giving eternal life.
BTW
Paul did expressly write concerning the ten commandments. He said the law engraved in stone is the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation(2Cor3:6-9)
 
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