The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[SabbathBlessing]

You think I pay more attention to my pastor than to Scripture? Interesting theory.

I suspect you’re projecting, and have paid more attention to the aberrant instruction of Sabbatarian preachers than to the Bible.

We who are actual Christians are under the new covenant in Christ’s blood, not the old covenant of bulls and goats.

You are free to post Scripture, I see a lot of your own words in your posts, but the Scriptures and God's Word is what brings us life.

 

[Dino246]

Which law is Paul speaking about......he tells us and you took it as only worshipping God is a curse or the blessing and sanctification that God gives to man who does what He asks as a curse when Paul didn't.

-"For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."

This is what Moses wrote in a book

Deut 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25&that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26&“Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

Everything Paul is speaking about is the laws that Moses wrote which were ADDED because of sin. The law that was added because of sin cannot be the same law that IS sin when we break. The Ten Commandments, the only laws God has under His mercy seat which His blood atones for. The laws that God wrote, not man , the Ten Commandments- not 9 that were all INSIDE the ark of God's covenant, the law of Moses was outside.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone

Exo 25:21 21 You shall put the mercy seat on top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the Testimony that I will give you.

Paul's writings which are Scripture came with a warning many would twist out of context 2Peter3:16 I would never use Paul to correct God. Paul was a proclaimed servant of God, never His corrector. Why we need to understand the OT, because it explains the NT. Paul was quoting OT and without understanding these references, we may end up doing exactly what the warnings says 2Peter3:16

Even after he clarified his point and completely undermined your accusation, you still don’t let it go. You find another baseless reason to accuse.

Consider who in Scripture does that.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Even after he clarified his point and completely undermined your accusation, you still don’t let it go. You find another baseless reason to accuse.

Consider who in Scripture does that.

I do not think re-defining what is sin, is baseless but beleive as you wish. If we do not understand sin, than all we will do is cover our sins instead of confessing and forsaking Pro28:13 which means change ones mind and its not a good spot to be in once Jesus comes Exo20:6 Rev11:18-19 Heb10:26-30

Why Jesus taught repent (from sin) for the Kingdom of God is at hand Mat4:17 We are not saved in our sins Heb10:26-30 we are saved from sins Mat1:21 sadly, not everyone wishes to be saved because the Bible tells us many like their sins more than coming to Jesus John3:19-21 Changing the definition of sin, does not change what sin is, its sadly a strong delusion that will deceive many.

 

[Dino246]

You are free to post Scripture, I see a lot of your own words in your posts, but the Scriptures and God's Word is what brings us life.

That is just another irrelevant criticism.

I cite or post Scripture when it is appropriate to make reference to Scripture. Calling out bad behaviour often doesn’t require specific Scripture.

 

[TruthDefender]

Circumcision was required irrespective of whether the eighth day fell on a Sabbath or not. If healing a man via circumcision was required on the Sabbath, it follows that healing on the Sabbath was not only permitted, but expected.

John 7: 22 - 23
22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers; ) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

Yes, what I was stating was what the Pharisee said to Jesus and His disciples that plucking the heads of grain for food and healing on Shabbat wasn’t allowed. Of course Jesus is Lord of Shabbat.

 

[Dino246]

I do not think re-defining what is sin, is baseless but beleive as you wish. If we do not understand sin, than all we will do is cover our sins instead of confessing and forsaking Pro28:13 which means change ones mind and its not a good spot to be in once Jesus comes Exo20:6 Rev11:18-19 Heb10:26-30

Why Jesus taught repent (from sin) for the Kingdom of God is at hand Mat4:17

You obliquely accused him or heresy, which he did not commit. He has clarified his position. Deal with that instead of finding more reasons to accuse.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Yes, what I was stating was what the Pharisee said to Jesus and His disciples that plucking the heads of grain for food and healing on Shabbat wasn’t allowed. Of course Jesus is Lord of Shabbat.

Jesus said it is allowed to eat on the Sabbath and not a sin to help someone in need on the Sabbath- you said He broke the Sabbath- are you saying now, He didn't. Just want to understand your position.

Do you think there is any value of being Lord of something that doesn't exist?

 

[TruthDefender]

Jesus said it is allowed to eat on the Sabbath and not a sin to help someone in need on the Sabbath- you said He broke the Sabbath- are you saying now, He didn't. Just want to understand your position.

Do you think there is any value of being Lord of something that doesn't exist?

I never meant to indicate that He had sinned, as we ALL know, He lived a perfect life in the flesh! So I apologize, if my faulty writing indicated sin.

The verse that I had quoted stated what the Pharisees said, that healing and plucking heads of grain in the field weren’t permitted.

My apologies!!

 

[SabbathBlessing]

I never meant to indicate that He had sinned, as we ALL know, He lived a perfect life in the flesh! So I apologize, if my faulty writing indicated sin.

The verse that I had quoted stated what the Pharisees said, that healing and plucking heads of grain in the field weren’t permitted.

My apologies!!

No worries, I appreciate the clarification, that's why we were giving people the benefit of the doubt. This is a popular argument and many don't really understand the ramifications of it. I am glad we can agree on this.

God bless!

 

[JayWalker]

Because you hate to hurt God by sinning you choose to obey the law.

We are not called to obey the law of Moses.

We are called in the New Covenant to walk in the Law of Christ, aka Doctrine of Christ.

It's always very odd to hear people who claim to be Christians teach against following the Doctrine of Christ as though they have a problem with the teachings of Jesus and His teachings through the new testament writers.

 

[JayWalker]

Jesus said, “If thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments” in Gospel of Matthew 19:17.

That would be following the New Covenant to walk in the Law of Christ, aka Doctrine of Christ.

Nobody can get born again by obeying the law of Moses:

Galatians 3:21
if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Jesus said the law and the prophets stopped being taught at the start of John the Baptist's ministry

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Jesus said He came to to the will of the Father by taking away the old covenant and establishing the New Covenant

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath Jesus obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

 

[vassal]

That would be following the New Covenant to walk in the Law of Christ, aka Doctrine of Christ.

Nobody can get born again by obeying the law of Moses:

Galatians 3:21
if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Jesus said the law and the prophets stopped being taught at the start of John the Baptist's ministry

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Jesus said He came to to the will of the Father by taking away the old covenant and establishing the New Covenant

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath Jesus obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

the doctrine of Christ tas you call it to me includes the ten commandments that is certain.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

the doctrine of Christ tas you call it to me includes the ten commandments that is certain.

I know! This idea that Jesus is not God is strange.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

We are not called to obey the law of Moses.

We are called in the New Covenant to walk in the Law of Christ, aka Doctrine of Christ.

It's always very odd to hear people who claim to be Christians teach against following the Doctrine of Christ as though they have a problem with the teachings of Jesus and His teachings through the new testament writers.

The New Covenant is the law of God going from tablets of stone Deut 4:13 Exo34:28 Exo20:6 to tablets of the heart 2Cor3:3 Jer31:33 Heb8:10 based on what God does if we cooperate with Him.

The location of the law changed, not the words according to God. Psa 89:34 Mat5:18-19 why the NC is established on better promises Heb8:6 not all new laws. You can't make something written by the Holy Spirit Exo31:18 that is perfect, more perfect Psa 19:7 or something God deems holy, more holy Rom7:12

God's standard of righteousness never changed Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2, its everlasting Psa 119:142 what changed is how we go about forgiveness of sins, no longer animal sacrifices from the law of Moses Dan9:27 Heb10:1-15 but through Christ for the forgiveness of sins- when we confess and repent (change our mind) because the blood of animals could never really forgive sins, why Jesus had to be our Sacrificial Lamb. The laws of the priesthood had to change because the law of the priesthood had to come from the tribe of Levi, but Jesus came from the tribe of Judah, so the laws that are ministered under the Levitical priesthood- animal sacrifices through the old sanctuary pointed to Jesus. He ministers from a heavenly Temple Heb8:1-5 where His laws are still in His Temple and in the ark Rev15:5 Rev11:19 and why its still a sin to worship other gods, or steal from our neighbor or break the least of these commandments that came in a unit of Ten and final atonement has not happened yet. Rev11:18-19

 

[Dino246]

I know! This idea that Jesus is not God is strange.

More baseless slander from a Judaizer. I'm *so* surprised.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

If Jesus is God there would be no dichotomy between the law of Christ and law of God because Christ is God. To separate their laws is to sperate Christ from God.

If your definition of "Judazier" is uplifting what God wrote so be. I know you are trying to use it in a derogatory way, but Scripture doesn't. He calls them His saints.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints. Here is the are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

 

[JayWalker]

the doctrine of Christ tas you call it to me includes the ten commandments that is certain.

God's moral law is included in the New Testament under the Doctrine of Christ yes.

But the New Testament does not refer to walking in the ten commandments but rather teaches walking in the Spirit being led by the Holy Spirit which is a much higher standard than ten commandments

Those going around saying we are to keep ten commandments are still in diapers not coming close to understanding how much better the New Covenant is than the old.

 

[JayWalker]

The New Covenant is the law of God going from tablets of stone Deut 4:13 Exo34:28 Exo20:6 to tablets of the heart 2Cor3:3 Jer31:33 Heb8:10 based on what God does if we cooperate with Him.

Maybe you'll wake up one day and understand the New Covenant is a far better covenant than the old.

It is error to teach the old covenant is the new covenant.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

God's moral law is included in the New Testament under the Doctrine of Christ yes.

But the New Testament does not refer to walking in the ten commandments but rather teaches walking in the Spirit being led by the Holy Spirit which is a much higher standard than ten commandments

Those going around saying we are to keep ten commandments are still in diapers not coming close to understanding how much better the New Covenant is than the old.

The Holy Spirit of Truth wrote the Ten Commandments so can you please explain how being led by the Holy Spirit would not lead one to keep the laws He wrote on stone than in the NC believers heart. If as if your version the Holy Spirit is at odds with His own laws.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Maybe you'll wake up one day and understand the New Covenant is a far better covenant than the old.

It is error to teach the old covenant is the new covenant.

According to the Scriptures, the promises are better- not the law itself. Heb8:6 The laws went from tablets of stone to tablets of the heart 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10

I would spend my time trying to understand the better promises instead of going after something the God of everything said He would not alter Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19 because its the standard of judgement regardless if we accept them or not James 2:11-12 Mat5:19-30 Rev11:18-19 The Holy Spirit never made a mistake, we do by our harden heart, not subjecting ourselves to the law of God Rom8:7-8