The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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lol. You don't follow it; you are placed under it by God - it is a unilateral action by Him, not man.
Notice the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Christ) itself freed Paul from being under the law of sin and death.
Paul contributed nothing to the process, he was but a beneficiary of it. It is the law of life that exists within Christ alone.
By His indwelling of someone, they are given eternal spiritual life,

[Rom 8:2 KJV] 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
just like i thought you don't know what you are talking about, you haven't got a clue. Just do what Jesus asked us to do follow his example and you'll be fine, that is not what you're doing right now.
 
I don't know what you're talking about. This discussion started because you said: "The priesthood changed first in Hebrews 7 so Jesus could be our High Priest and be the Mediator of His New Covenant which is the law of God going from tablets of stone to tablets of the heart 2Cor3:3. Which we see plainly in Hebrews 8:10 and Hebrews 10:16". Wrong, that change was not just of tablets of stone to tables of the heart, but of the two covenants being of two completely different laws, the new, which God places into the heart for those who He chose to the New Covenant are of Christ. The Old Covenant laws based upon legalistic compliance by those under them, were completely done away with in/by Christ.
I provided Scripture, you provided your own words, I am going to stick with the Scripture and just agree to disagree. I wish you well.
 
just like i thought you don't know what you are talking about, you haven't got a clue. Just do what Jesus asked us to do follow his example and you'll be fine, that is not what you're doing right now.

wait... weren't you the one who asked me for all of the explanations? Pretty arrogant of you to make yourself the judge of me
who had to explain it all to you. I actually think you are using it as a smoke screen because you have no way to
refute what I said because it is correct, but you just don't want to admit it and embarrass yourself. That's okay but next time, a simple thank you will suffice.
 
Or...you can stop pretending you know what the law actually entails. 1 Corinthians 10:31 tells us that whether we eat or drink, or whatever we do, we are to do it to the glory of God. Even such mundane things as eating and drinking can accrue glory to God. So don't run away from this command. Teach us how to drink a glass of orange juice to the glory of God.
God knows and that's what matters and He knows that with all of us, nothing we can hide from Him Ecc12:13-14

I have tried discussing this with you in the past, but you use your words and not Scripture and I have found its impossible to reason when one uses their own ideas, thoughts, opinions as if its the same as what God's Word says, Its fruitless- so I wish you well, but I will leave it as agree to disagree.
 
I provided Scripture, you provided your own words, I am going to stick with the Scripture and just agree to disagree. I wish you well.

Absurd. Here for your future reference if you are able to retain it. This is scripture, not my own words.

[Heb 7:12 KJV] 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
 
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Absurd. Here for your future reference if you are able to retain it. This is scripture, not my own words.

[Heb 7:12 KJV] 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
And the context is in the next two verses as already pointed out to you. We can make the bible say anything if we leave out its context.

This is what I was referring to.
Wrong, that change was not just of tablets of stone to tables of the heart, but of the two covenants being of two completely different laws, the new, which God places into the heart for those who He chose to the New Covenant are of Christ. The Old Covenant laws based upon legalistic compliance by those under them, were completely done away with in/by Christ.
When the God of the Bible said this about His covenant

Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

Why the New Covenant is established on better promises Heb8:6 not all new laws because the issue has never been God's laws- its saying God made a mistake, He is at fault, when He told us who was at fault the people Heb8:8 because they did not continue in the covenant, they broke it. God had no choice but to make a New Covenant and He did so based on better promises, because He promised not to change the words, not a jot or tittle Mat5:18 because you can't make something perfect Psa19:7 more perfect or holy, more holy Rom7L12 the issue as always been the harden heart of man not subjecting themselves to the law of God Rom8:7-8
 
When the God of the Bible said this about His covenant

Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

God didn't change the Old Covenant; it remains full force in effect as given for those under it. God mad a NEW COVENANT, which is why it is called..... wait for it.,.. the New Covenant and is for those whom He chose to salvation and places under it.
Neither of them will He break. Got it?
 
Absurd. Here for your future reference if you are able to retain it. This is scripture, not my own words.

[Heb 7:12 KJV] 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.


Its not like God did away with His laws. He just moved them from tablets of stone to our hearts AND God gave us His Holy Spirit. So now we REALLY have no excuse.


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Its not like God did away with His laws. He just moved them from tablets of stone to our hearts AND God gave us His Holy Spirit. So now we REALLY have no excuse.


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No. With a new priest there must be new laws. A change of where they reside is not a change of the law - it's still the same law
 
So Jesus said He was Lord of the Sabbath. Not the law, not the hypocrites and not people who try to tell others they go to hell when Jesus Himself said God desires mercy. I don't see that from you or your friends. You are quick to condemn and you cherry pick verses and parts of verses to substantiate your faith in yourself.
If you see a person in need, are being merciful when you tell them or are you being merciful if you say nothing.

God knew that the Israelites would not turn from their ways but He sent Jeremiah to tell them the truth anyway.

Jer 7:24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.

Jeremiah kept telling them anyway.. God was long suffering and merciful. Not because God said nothing but because God rebuked and told them the truth.

Pro 9:8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.
Pro 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.

Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

It isn't because I want to condemn you but because I'd like you to experience the Joy of the sabbath the Jesus is Lord of.

Also help you to understand the result of rejecting the Lord's laws 🙏
 
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God knows and that's what matters and He knows that with all of us, nothing we can hide from Him Ecc12:13-14

I have tried discussing this with you in the past, but you use your words and not Scripture and I have found its impossible to reason when one uses their own ideas, thoughts, opinions as if its the same as what God's Word says, Its fruitless- so I wish you well, but I will leave it as agree to disagree.
1 Corinthians 10:31 is scripture last I checked. And yes, God knows what obedience looks like and consists in. The question is: do you? Someone who promotes the law as you do ought to know. So please tell us how do we fulfill the command to drink a glass of orange juice to the glory of God. Do you know how to keep this commandment? Yes or no?
 
God didn't change the Old Covenant; it remains full force in effect as given for those under it. God mad a NEW COVENANT, which is why it is called..... wait for it.,.. the New Covenant and is for those whom He chose to salvation and places under it.
Neither of them will He break. Got it?
So the Scriptures say something else, thats what I am going to stick with.

Heb10:, 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second.

God does not have different covenant, with different people. He one covenant, that we enter by faith. Those who enter have their Fathers laws written in their hearts. Many never enter into a covenant with God because they refuse His laws Rom8:7-8.
 
No. With a new priest there must be new laws. A change of where they reside is not a change of the law - it's still the same law
@2ndTimeIsTheCharm

For clarity, I should have been more specific in my reply to you. The change of law pertains exclusively to the New Covenant and to those whom God places under it. For the Old Covenant and those under it, its laws remain as-is.
Sorry, I often neglect to make that distinction.
 
No laws were nailed to the cross. In Matthew 27:37, they nailed a handwritten ordinance to Christ's cross that announced the charge that was a against him, which fits perfectly with the concept of the handwritten ordinance that listed the charges that were against us being nailed to Christ's cross instead and with him dying in our place to pay the penalty for our sins, but has absolutely nothing to do with nailing any laws to the cross. The reason why Jesu went to the cross was not in order to free us to do things that the Law of Moses has revealed to be sin, but to free us from sin. In Titus 2:14, it does say that Jesus gave himself to free us from the Law of Moses but in order to free us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what he accomplished through the cross is by becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Law of Moses (Acts 21:20).

In Colossians 2:11-13, it refers to them as having circumcised hearts and people having circumcised hearts only refers to them being doers of the Law of Moses (Deuteronomy 10:12-16, Romans 2:25-29) while people having uncircumcised hearts only refer to them not being doers of the Law of Moses (Jeremiah 9:25, Acts 7:51-53). In Colossians 2:16-23, the Colossians were keeping God's feasts in accordance with the example that Christ set for us to follow, they were being judged for doing that by pagans who were promoting human precepts and traditions, self-made religion, asceticism, and severity to the body, and Paul was encouraging them not to let anyone judge them for obeying God. Those promoting asceticism and severity to the body would be judging people for celebrating feasts, not for refraining from doing that.


No.


None are. All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160). In Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus specifically said that he came not to abolish the Law of Moses and warned against relaxing the least part of it, and in Romans 3:31, Paul affirmed that our faith does not abolish the Law of Moses, but rather our faith upholds it. Instructions for how to embody God's righteousness can't be abolished without first abolishing God's righteousness and the same is true for the other character traits of God that the Law of Moses was given in order to teach us how to embody.


No laws were made void.


I'm not.


God's feasts are foreshadows of what is to come and we should live in a way that testifies about the truth of what is to come by following Christ's example of celebrating them rather than a way that bears false witness against the truth of what is to come, so Paul was emphasizing the importance of now allowing anyone to prevent them from obeying God.


The Bible does not use the Greek word "dogma" to refer to the Law of God.


In Ephesians 2:12-19, Gentles were at one time separated from Christ, alienated from Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in this world, which is in accordance with Gentiles at one time not being doers of the Law of Moses, but through faith in Christ all of that is no longer true in that Gentiles are no longer strangers or allies but are fellow citizens of Israel along with the saints in the household of God, which is in accordance with Gentiles becoming doers of the Law of Moses. In Ephesians 2:10, we are new creations in Christ to do good works, so it wouldn't make any sense to interpret Ephesians 2:15-16 as Christ abolishing his instructions for how to do good works.
Sorry I'm a long way behind... I don't spend hours on this sight... so I'll admit I might miss a few posts.

But I'm a bit confused.

When you say "all the laws", are you saying we need to keep all 600 plus laws given to Moses?
When you say "no laws were made void".
Do you believe we need to shed the blood of spotless lambs today.?

Should we keep the feast of Trumpets today?
 
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Do you comprehend how there are only two spirits presented here.

The Spirit of obedience, the Holy Spirit VS the spirit of disobedience, the spirit of Anti-Christ.
The Spirit of Able VS the spirit of Cain.
Covenant keepers, AKA Commandment keepers VS covenant breakers, non- Commandment keepers, AKA sinners.
The disciples of Christ, speaking & promoting Truth, Jesus VS the disciples of anti- Christ speaking & promoting UN-Righteousness.

... For me and my house, we will serve the Lord ~~ Joel 24:15

We are in a battle of authority ! Christ & His angels against Satan and his angels, over the souls of men.
Read "
The Great Controversy" between Good & Evil" ... By Ellen G White
The book explains this battle for authority, in very great detail.
... and I pray that you convert and born again to the winning side.
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What you portray is not obedience to the Holy Spirit. You obey your own false interpretation of scripture (if you really obey the law, which I doubt) and then browbeat and insult others who are led by the Spirit of God. Ellen G White was a witch and a false prophet.

I started reading the Great Controversy. It is wolf in sheep's clothing material. The real controversy is how anyone who is born again can fall for that rubbish.

I'm already on the victory side. I don't need your false doctrines to do that. God always gives me the victory through my Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus is my life now. I died and my life is hidden in Him with God. I am already a new creation in Jesus. I follow a law about which you know nothing, It is the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. It's better than anything the dead religion of Adventism can offer. The real church has flourished and prospered without the false Adventist doctrine for 2,000 years. I say the real church for a reason. There is a lot that calls itself Christian but it's fake. That includes SDA.

Your lot did not arise until the 19th century. Before that, Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, Knox, Bunyan, the Wesleys, Whitefield, Edwards and countless others preached the true gospel. They were imperfect men, but the gospel spread through them. Then SDA starts off with a complete fiasco of a false prophecy. The greater disappointment is that some persisted in building on a false foundation. And here we are, with you promoting the false and judging those who reject your SDA false teaching.
 
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Like I said I am not going to down this rabbit hole with you again, its not fruitful. I have tried in the past. Thanks but no thanks.
No you haven't. You've never shown how to keep a commandment or what obedience consists in. You can't even tell us how to drink a glass of orange juice to the glory of God. You suggest to us that we don't keep the commandments and you don't know how to fulfill a simple commandment yourself. Why is that so?
 
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There is a huge difference between the position that we are unable to obey the law and the position that we are unable to obey it perfectly. While all have sinned and fallen sort of the glory of God, there are many examples of people who did obey the law, such as with those in Joshua 22:1-3, Luke 1:5-6, Revelation 14:12, and Revelation 22:14. If we needed to have perfect obedience, then repentance would have no value, but the fact that repentance has value demonstrates that we are not required to have perfect obedience. We can't earn our salvation even as the result of having perfect obedience to the Law of Moses because it was never given as a way of earn out salvation in the first place, so that has always been a fundamental misunderstanding of the goal of the law. The only reason why someone would need to have perfect obedience is if they are going to give themselves to pay for the sins of the world - the rest of us can thankfully have our sins forgiven.


The New Covenant still involves following the Mosaic Law (Jeremiah 31:33). Acts 15 should not be interpreted as speaking against following Christ's example of obedience to the Mosaic Law, but if you think that it should, then you should follow Christ instead of the Jerusalem Council.


Jesus spent his ministry to teaching his followers to obey the Law of Moses by word and by example and the way to submit to him as Lord is by submitting to what he taught, not by refusing to follow what he taught. It would be contradictory to have God's Word made flesh as Lord instead of God's Word.
So you want to obey the law. Good luck with that. You must also obey the punishments meted out to lawbreakers. I don't how you will get away with stoning adulterers. In this day and age, you would run out of rocks fairly quickly. You should also cut off the hands of thieves. What you really need to do is convert to Islam and go live in a Muslim country. You would be right at home there.
 
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Those who have accepted Christ and live for Him are not judged by the law. You either choose Him or you choose judgement.
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
 
No you haven't. You've never shown how to keep a commandment or what obedience consists in. You can't even tell us how to drink a glass of orange juice to the glory of God. You suggest to us that we don't keep the commandments and you don't know how to fulfill a simple commandment yourself. Why is that so
When you don't know what I know or do and claim you do, that tells me where any future discussion would lead to, unfruitful, We have had similar discussion previously, I am choosing not to go down that path based on where it ended last time. I have spoken plenty about how to keep the commandments, and would be happy to engage when its coming from a good place of really wanting to understand. Since that wasn't my experience before with a very lengthy discussion, thank you but I will pass. Scripture even tells us there is a time to move on Mat15:3-14, that's what I am doing, but wish you well.
 
When you don't know what I know or do and claim you do, that tells me where any future discussion would lead to, unfruitful, We have had similar discussion previously, I am choosing not to go down that path based on where it ended last time. I have spoken plenty about how to keep the commandments, and would be happy to engage when its coming from a good place of really wanting to understand. Since that wasn't my experience before with a very lengthy discussion, thank you but I will pass.
We've never received an answer from you. You are running away from the fray. You have no answer so you divert. If you could answer, you would instead of making excuses. You are a professer, but not a possesser.

Would you like me to answer for you since you obviously don't know how?