The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[Rob7]

@Rob7 it's good to see you've acknowledged that, "There's nothing wrong with worshipping God on any other day of the week..." but that leaves in question your opinion that implies the result of not worshipping according to SDA tradition.

YuP ! This IS a SDA tradition of protesting against Roman Catholic traditions ( Anti-Christ traditions ) as "Sunday holiness" is but one of their "doctrines of demons". Worship as Jesus Worshiped, being in obedience to His Fathers 10 Commandments, ( eg The Sabbath ) to be sinless, ... to be the Lamb of God. ~~~> Believe Jesus !! <~~~

I'm just believing and following Jesus' stated "opinions" ... as in Jesus saying " IF you Love me Keep my commandments", ... then all thru the OT & NT, Jesus saying that these Commandments are the Will of the Father. It's ALWAYS been about the Will of God, His Love, and now His Love for his creation, US, by giving us the His Ever Lasting Gospel, to bring us back into obedience to Him, since The Fall, thru having Christ and HIS Righteousness in us, ( ei His robe of Righteousness ) we'll be fit / worthy of being a Child of God, and Heaven. I pray !

Jesus first Loved us by dying for us, to pay the penalty of sin, so that we MIGHT love Him back by Loving God and Loving our neighbors.
It all about LOVE, not sinning against God and not sinning against our neighbors, ie submission by Faith, repentance & obedience.

Don't believe me !? .. Believe Jesus ! I'm just here lifting Him by His Word up.

Mem, I'm seeing myself repeating myself when proclaiming Righteousness by Faith to you. It seems it's going right over your head and you're are just picking out bits to argue your position of disobedience. This is the why of " Be you not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship has righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion has light with darkness? "
2 Corinthians 6:14 (AKJV) I Pray you Believe Jesus and His Righteousness

I pray you have safe travels, as it sounds like your goin' somewhere. Have a Blessed Day

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[Mem]

What's the point of Jesus being LORD of the Sabbath if we are trying to say the Sabbath He said He made for us, is for someone else. That means someone else is lording us.

God never said Remember on any other commandment but the 4th- why do you think that is? Does God do things just randomly in your view?

YuP ! This IS a SDA tradition of protesting against Roman Catholic traditions ( Anti-Christ traditions ) as "Sunday holiness" is but one of their "doctrines of demons". Worship as Jesus Worshiped, being in obedience to His Fathers 10 Commandments, ( eg The Sabbath ) to be sinless, ... to be the Lamb of God. ~~~> Believe Jesus !! <~~~

I'm just believing and following Jesus' stated "opinions" ... as in Jesus saying " IF you Love me Keep my commandments", ... then all thru the OT & NT, Jesus saying that these Commandments are the Will of the Father. It's ALWAYS been about the Will of God, His Love, and now His Love for his creation, US, by giving us the His Ever Lasting Gospel, to bring us back into obedience to Him, since The Fall, thru having Christ and HIS Righteousness in us, ( ei His robe of Righteousness ) we'll be fit / worthy of being a Child of God, and Heaven. I pray !

Jesus first Loved us by dying for us, to pay the penalty of sin, so that we MIGHT love Him back by Loving God and Loving our neighbors.
It all about LOVE, not sinning against God and not sinning against our neighbors, ie submission by Faith, repentance & obedience.

Don't believe me !? .. Believe Jesus ! I'm just here lifting Him by His Word up.

Mem, I'm seeing myself repeating myself when proclaiming Righteousness by Faith to you. It seems it's going right over your head and you're are just picking out bits to argue your position of disobedience. This is the why of " Be you not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship has righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion has light with darkness? "
2 Corinthians 6:14 (AKJV) I Pray you Believe Jesus and His Righteousness

I pray you have safe travels, as it sounds like your goin' somewhere. Have a Blessed Day

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I am going from glory to glory. 2Cor 3:18

 

[TMS]

The Sabbath Saturday was for Jews and is a shadow of Jesus as our Sabbath rest. Now that Jesus finished His work, then any day can be Sabbath. You can even make EVERYDAY your Sabbath.

So you can still hold your Sabbaths on Saturday if you like, but you can't prevent or shame or condemn others for holding their Sabbaths on any other day either. God won't let you do that and He Himself doesn't punish people for not holding Sabbath on Saturday.


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This is the point that is misunderstood.
"Any day can be your sabbath" you say.
Prove it with Scripture please.
The idea is not sustained by the word. The bible shows states that the 7th day was made holy.

The sabbath rest given at creation was made for man before sin. Christ's ministry was to save us from sin.
How can the sabbath give at creation be a shadow?

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The reason it was to be remembered is....
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

A shadow of Jesus is explained in Hebrews.
Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Jesus does not replace the sabbath rest given at creation.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

How is the sabbath made holy and hallowed by God "against us."?

 

[JimiSurvivor]

Can you tell me which one of these commandments of God Exo20:6 (not Moses) God forgot to write in the hearts and minds of His New Covenant believers heart in the NT

I do not see the name of Moses anywhere in these commandments, but I see God's name in the first 4 that show us how to love God, given by God directly, so we really won't have a lot of excuses

The fact that you do not see the name of Moses in every passage that refers to the Ten Commandments is irrelevant since, by common custom and practice, the Decalogue can be called either the Law of God or the Law of Moses (because Moses was the one who received the Law from God and wrote it down). The Law of Moses can also refer to the first five books of the Bible, or the Torah (which is the Hebrew word for “law”).

Can you tell me which one of these commandments of God Exo20:6 (not Moses) God forgot to write in the hearts and minds of His New Covenant believers heart in the NT

This is yet another straw man which you have constructed to MISREPRESENT my views. I never said God forgot anything.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

The fact that you do not see the name of Moses in every passage that refers to the Ten Commandments is irrelevant since, by common custom and practice, the Decalogue can be called either the Law of God or the Law of Moses (because Moses was the one who received the Law from God and wrote it down). The Law of Moses can also refer to the first five books of the Bible, or the Torah (which is the Hebrew word for “law”).

The law of Moses is what Moses wrote down in a book Deut 31:24-26, the law of God is what God Himself wrote Exo31:18 that He Himself tells us how to love Him is the Ten Commandments Exo20:6 Deut4:13 there is no confusion about this in Scripture two different laws, the law of God predates Moses thus saith the LORD Exo20:11.

Sadly it is man now refusing to give God the Glory for His works Exo32:16 when not even Moses did that and he was there all because they don't like one of God's commandments so sadly come up with 101 ways of why we don't have to keep this one commandment when God is just asking for our time to spend with Him. Why He sanctified and blessed the Sabbath day and made it for man.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

I am going from glory to glory. 2Cor 3:18

Amen! As we all should. Isa66:22-23

 

[Dino246]

This IS a SDA tradition of protesting against Roman Catholic traditions ( Anti-Christ traditions ) as "Sunday holiness" is but one of their "doctrines of demons".

By that rationale, if you see a criminal enjoying a cup of coffee, then everyone who enjoys a cup of coffee is a criminal.

You are as devoted to your error as KJV-only advocates are to theirs. Neither employs genuine logic.

 

[Dino246]

The law of Moses is what Moses wrote down in a book Deut 31:24-26, the law of God is what God Himself wrote

Says you. You might want to check how the terms are used in Scripture.

Moses was the pen-holder. God is the author. "The Law of Moses" is a summary term for the whole Law including the ten commandments, and is used 22 times in Scripture:

Joshua 8:31
as Moses the servant of the Lord had commanded the Israelites. He built it according to what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses—an altar of uncut stones, on which no iron tool had been used. On it they offered to the Lord burnt offerings and sacrificed fellowship offerings.

Joshua 8:32
There, in the presence of the Israelites, Joshua wrote on stones a copy of the law of Moses.

Joshua 23:6
“Be very strong; be careful to obey all that is written in the Book of the Law of Moses, without turning aside to the right or to the left.

1 Kings 2:3
and observe what the Lord your God requires: Walk in obedience to him, and keep his decrees and commands, his laws and regulations, as written in the Law of Moses. Do this so that you may prosper in all you do and wherever you go

2 Kings 14:6
Yet he did not put the children of the assassins to death, in accordance with what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses where the Lord commanded: “Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin.”

2 Kings 23:25
Neither before nor after Josiah was there a king like him who turned to the Lord as he did—with all his heart and with all his soul and with all his strength, in accordance with all the Law of Moses.

2 Chronicles 23:18
Then Jehoiada placed the oversight of the temple of the Lord in the hands of the Levitical priests, to whom David had made assignments in the temple, to present the burnt offerings of the Lord as written in the Law of Moses, with rejoicing and singing, as David had ordered.

2 Chronicles 30:16
Then they took up their regular positions as prescribed in the Law of Moses the man of God. The priests splashed against the altar the blood handed to them by the Levites.

Ezra 3:2
Then Joshua son of Jozadak and his fellow priests and Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel and his associates began to build the altar of the God of Israel to sacrifice burnt offerings on it, in accordance with what is written in the Law of Moses the man of God.

Ezra 7:6
this Ezra came up from Babylon. He was a teacher well versed in the Law of Moses, which the Lord, the God of Israel, had given. The king had granted him everything he asked, for the hand of the Lord his God was on him.

Nehemiah 8:1
all the people came together as one in the square before the Water Gate. They told Ezra the teacher of the Law to bring out the Book of the Law of Moses, which the Lord had commanded for Israel.

Daniel 9:11
All Israel has transgressed your law and turned away, refusing to obey you. “Therefore the curses and sworn judgments written in the Law of Moses, the servant of God, have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against you.

Daniel 9:13
Just as it is written in the Law of Moses, all this disaster has come on us, yet we have not sought the favor of the Lord our God by turning from our sins and giving attention to your truth.

Luke 2:22
Jesus Presented in the Temple
When the time came for the purification rites required by the Law of Moses, Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord

Luke 24:44
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

John 7:23
Now if a boy can be circumcised on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses may not be broken, why are you angry with me for healing a man’s whole body on the Sabbath?

Acts 13:39
Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.

Acts 15:5
Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

Acts 15:21
For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

Acts 28:23
They arranged to meet Paul on a certain day, and came in even larger numbers to the place where he was staying. He witnessed to them from morning till evening, explaining about the kingdom of God, and from the Law of Moses and from the Prophets he tried to persuade them about Jesus.

1 Corinthians 9:9
For it is written in the Law of Moses: “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.” Is it about oxen that God is concerned?

Hebrews 10:28
Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.

Meanwhile, the phrase, "law of God" appears only five times:

Joshua 24:26
And Joshua recorded these things in the Book of the Law of God. Then he took a large stone and set it up there under the oak near the holy place of the Lord.

Nehemiah 8:8
They read from the Book of the Law of God, making it clear and giving the meaning so that the people understood what was being read.

Nehemiah 8:18
Day after day, from the first day to the last, Ezra read from the Book of the Law of God. They celebrated the festival for seven days, and on the eighth day, in accordance with the regulation, there was an assembly.

Nehemiah 10:28
“The rest of the people—priests, Levites, gatekeepers, musicians, temple servants and all who separated themselves from the neighboring peoples for the sake of the Law of God, together with their wives and all their sons and daughters who are able to understand—

Nehemiah 10:29
all these now join their fellow Israelites the nobles, and bind themselves with a curse and an oath to follow the Law of God given through Moses the servant of God and to obey carefully all the commands, regulations and decrees of the Lord our Lord.

Note that Ezra brought out "the book of the law of Moses" but read from "the book of the law of God". Hmmm... maybe they are the same thing!

Note that in Nehemiah 10 the people separated themselves for the sake of the law of God. Why would they do so, when the ten commandments don't call for separation, but the rest of the law does?

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Says you. You might want to check how the terms are used in Scripture.

Moses was the pen-holder. God is the author. "The Law of Moses" is a summary term for the whole Law including the ten commandments, and is used 22 times in Scripture:

Joshua 8:31
as Moses the servant of the Lord had commanded the Israelites. He built it according to what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses—an altar of uncut stones, on which no iron tool had been used. On it they offered to the Lord burnt offerings and sacrificed fellowship offerings.

Joshua 8:32
There, in the presence of the Israelites, Joshua wrote on stones a copy of the law of Moses.

Joshua 23:6
“Be very strong; be careful to obey all that is written in the Book of the Law of Moses, without turning aside to the right or to the left.

1 Kings 2:3
and observe what the Lord your God requires: Walk in obedience to him, and keep his decrees and commands, his laws and regulations, as written in the Law of Moses. Do this so that you may prosper in all you do and wherever you go

2 Kings 14:6
Yet he did not put the children of the assassins to death, in accordance with what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses where the Lord commanded: “Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin.”

2 Kings 23:25
Neither before nor after Josiah was there a king like him who turned to the Lord as he did—with all his heart and with all his soul and with all his strength, in accordance with all the Law of Moses.

2 Chronicles 23:18
Then Jehoiada placed the oversight of the temple of the Lord in the hands of the Levitical priests, to whom David had made assignments in the temple, to present the burnt offerings of the Lord as written in the Law of Moses, with rejoicing and singing, as David had ordered.

2 Chronicles 30:16
Then they took up their regular positions as prescribed in the Law of Moses the man of God. The priests splashed against the altar the blood handed to them by the Levites.

Ezra 3:2
Then Joshua son of Jozadak and his fellow priests and Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel and his associates began to build the altar of the God of Israel to sacrifice burnt offerings on it, in accordance with what is written in the Law of Moses the man of God.

Ezra 7:6
this Ezra came up from Babylon. He was a teacher well versed in the Law of Moses, which the Lord, the God of Israel, had given. The king had granted him everything he asked, for the hand of the Lord his God was on him.

Nehemiah 8:1
all the people came together as one in the square before the Water Gate. They told Ezra the teacher of the Law to bring out the Book of the Law of Moses, which the Lord had commanded for Israel.

Daniel 9:11
All Israel has transgressed your law and turned away, refusing to obey you. “Therefore the curses and sworn judgments written in the Law of Moses, the servant of God, have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against you.

Daniel 9:13
Just as it is written in the Law of Moses, all this disaster has come on us, yet we have not sought the favor of the Lord our God by turning from our sins and giving attention to your truth.

Luke 2:22
Jesus Presented in the Temple
When the time came for the purification rites required by the Law of Moses, Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord

Luke 24:44
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

John 7:23
Now if a boy can be circumcised on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses may not be broken, why are you angry with me for healing a man’s whole body on the Sabbath?

Acts 13:39
Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.

Acts 15:5
Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

Acts 15:21
For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

Acts 28:23
They arranged to meet Paul on a certain day, and came in even larger numbers to the place where he was staying. He witnessed to them from morning till evening, explaining about the kingdom of God, and from the Law of Moses and from the Prophets he tried to persuade them about Jesus.

1 Corinthians 9:9
For it is written in the Law of Moses: “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.” Is it about oxen that God is concerned?

Hebrews 10:28
Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.

Meanwhile, the phrase, "law of God" appears only five times:

Joshua 24:26
And Joshua recorded these things in the Book of the Law of God. Then he took a large stone and set it up there under the oak near the holy place of the Lord.

Nehemiah 8:8
They read from the Book of the Law of God, making it clear and giving the meaning so that the people understood what was being read.

Nehemiah 8:18
Day after day, from the first day to the last, Ezra read from the Book of the Law of God. They celebrated the festival for seven days, and on the eighth day, in accordance with the regulation, there was an assembly.

Nehemiah 10:28
“The rest of the people—priests, Levites, gatekeepers, musicians, temple servants and all who separated themselves from the neighboring peoples for the sake of the Law of God, together with their wives and all their sons and daughters who are able to understand—

Nehemiah 10:29
all these now join their fellow Israelites the nobles, and bind themselves with a curse and an oath to follow the Law of God given through Moses the servant of God and to obey carefully all the commands, regulations and decrees of the Lord our Lord.

Note that Ezra brought out "the book of the law of Moses" but read from "the book of the law of God". Hmmm... maybe they are the same thing!

Note that in Nehemiah 10 the people separated themselves for the sake of the law of God. Why would they do so, when the ten commandments don't call for separation, but the rest of the law does?

The Ten Commandments predates Moses according to God Exo20:11.

God gave Moses the law of Moses that Moses wrote down in a book. Deut31:24-26. The book is not the Ten Commandments- the Ten Commandments was written by God on tablets of stone that was inside the ark of God Exo25:16 Exo40:20 the Book- everything but the Ten Commandments given by God to Moses to write was besides the ark.

God Himself wrote the Ten Commandments and claimed this unit as "My commandments" Exo20:6

Different laws that serve different purposes. None of your verses says anything different.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

God wrote Ten Commandments and added NO MORE

Deut5:22 These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me

Only the Ten Commandments was inside the ark of God under His mercy seat that His blood atones for this law- because breaking this law is sin and predates Moses Rom4:15 Exo20:11. The law of Moses was added because of sin until the Seed that was the cure for sin until Jesus.

2 clear distinctions.

2Chron33:8 and I will not again remove the foot of Israel from the land which I have appointed for your fathers—only if they are careful to do all that I (God) have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.”

2 Kings 21:8 and I will not make the feet of Israel wander anymore from the land which I gave their fathers—only if they are careful to do according to all that I (God) have commanded them, and according to all the law that My servant Moses commanded them.”


Dan 9:11 Yes, all Israel has transgressed Your law, (God's) and has departed so as not to obey Your voice; therefore the curse and the oath written in the Law of Moses the servant of God have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against Him.

 

[Dino246]

The Ten Commandments predates Moses according to God Exo20:11.

No, they don't, and frankly, I'm surprised at your audacity.

Here is the text you cited:

For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Does it say anything about the ten commandments predating Moses? No. Is there anything anywhere in Scripture about the ten commandments predating Moses? No.

Different laws that serve different purposes. None of your verses says anything different.

None of the verses specify that the ten commandments were not included.

 

[Mem]

Notice the letter that is from Christ, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on human hearts which is "clear," that is, "you, the result of our ministry." 2Cor 3:3

 

[Inquisitor]

can you tell us what the law of Christ is? can you point to scripture that would explain what it is what it contains?

2 Corinthians 3:6
Who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills,
but the Spirit gives life.

John 13:34-35
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love
one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.

 

[Inquisitor]

No, they don't, and frankly, I'm surprised at your audacity.

Here is the text you cited:

For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Does it say anything about the ten commandments predating Moses? No. Is there anything anywhere in Scripture about the ten commandments predating Moses? No.


None of the verses specify that the ten commandments were not included.

Your correct Dino, the written law did not exist until Exodus 24.

 

[Inquisitor]

"You deflect again. I said clearly you were not a false prophet. The Law (Ten Commandments) has a place, and an important one. Remember the Ark of the Covenant? In the Tabernacle in the desert, it contained the tablets with the Ten Commandments. On top of that was the Mercy Seat, which had two representations of Cherubim with protective wings stretched toward the middle. Between these protective Cherubim is where the presence of God appeared. This description is a representation of God's throne in Heaven from Scripture. God appeared above the Ten Commandments! You say I place too much importance on the Law. I say I do not place enough!

Numbers 7:89 "Now when Moses entered the Tabernacle of Meeting to speak with Him, he heard the voice of One speaking to him from above the mercy seat that was on the ark of the Testimony, from between the two cherubim; thus He spoke to him."

1 Samuel 4:4 and 2 Samuel 6:2 both refer to God as the one who "dwells between the cherubim" on the Ark, which was His established place of appearance.

And then there is Revelation 11:19, where John writes that the temple of God in Heaven was opened, and the Ark of the Covenant was seen inside His temple. The Ark is not just an old relic left behind in history. It is seen in Heaven itself. The same Ark, the same commandments, the same mercy seat, present before the throne of God. That should tell us something about how God views His own Law."

Do you understand now the importance of the ten commandments that God called the Covenant?

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Do you understand now the importance of the ten commandments that God called the old Covenant?

 

[SabbathBlessing]

No, they don't, and frankly, I'm surprised at your audacity.

Here is the text you cited:

For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Does it say anything about the ten commandments predating Moses? No. Is there anything anywhere in Scripture about the ten commandments predating Moses? No.


None of the verses specify that the ten commandments were not included.

This is God speaking. Exo20:1 This is His own written Testimony Exo31:18 the Ten Commandments. In the Ten Commandments He tells us His Sabbath was made at Creation Exo20:11 for man Mark2:28- before Jew, before Moses, before Israel just man and God. Where there is no law there is no sin. Rom4:15 Did Adam and Eve sin from the very beginning? They did, therefore they broke the law of God. Did God say it was sin for Cain to murder his brother- where did that commandment come from? No law no sin. I can prove from Scripture all Ten Commandments were sin before Mt Sinai, because its the law of God- God wrote them, they are in God's Heavenly Temple Rev11:19 they belong to God, its His standard of righteousness Psa119:172 Isa 56:1-2 which is eternal which means no beginning no end- its the foundation of His throne Psa89:14

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Notice the letter that is from Christ, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on human hearts which is "clear," that is, "you, the result of our ministry." 2Cor 3:3

What law was written by ink and what law is written by the Spirit of the living God Paul is contrasting. Can you please show these not with your words but Scripture. Because it helps explain the next verse and where those laws written by the Spirit of the living God went from tablets of stone (Ten Comamndment) to tablets of the heart. See its the same law- God would not make a New Covenant and not explain what that law is, He did clearly, the location changed, not the law written by the Holy Spirit of Truth, the Spirit of the living God, the Ten Commandments and I can back this with Scripture.

 

[Rob7]

I am going from glory to glory. 2Cor 3:18

I prayed for you and Dino to become aware and start living the Truth, bout an hour ago, this morning.
I pray that you both " Fear God and Give Him Glory, for the hour of His Judgement is Come" !! Rev 14:7

Obedience to God is a central expression of glorifying Him, as it reflects trust, love, and submission to His will. The following verses highlight this connection: "From Glory to Glory", even as the Spirit of the Lord" ~~> Representing the Righteousness of the Lord.

• Romans 1:5 – “Through him we received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the nations for his name.”
• Romans 16:26 – “...to bring about the obedience of faith— to the only wise God be glory forevermore through Jesus Christ!”
• 1 Peter 1:22 – “Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart.”
• Matthew 28:19-20 – “Go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.”
• John 14:15 – “If you love me, keep my commands.”
• Philippians 2:12-13 – “Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.”

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[mailmandan]

Does it say anything about the ten commandments predating Moses? No. Is there anything anywhere in Scripture about the ten commandments predating Moses? No.

Amen! Deuteronomy 5:1 - And Moses called all Israel, and said to them: “Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your hearing today, that you may learn them and be careful to observe them. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with all of us who are alive here today. 15 and remember that YOU (the Israelites) were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought YOU out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore, the Lord your God commanded YOU to keep the Sabbath day.

Nehemiah 9:13 - Then You came down on Mount Sinai and spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, good statutes and commandments. 14 So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, and laid down for them commandments, statutes and law, through Your servant Moses.

 

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Perhaps you need to tell others who are in your camp - so we will not get the wrong idea about what you believe and conclude that you are Judaizers or Ebionites. Personally, I see you as Judaeizers since you believe that IN ADDITION to REPENTANCE and FAITH (which tells us how to be united with Messiah His Heavenly kingdom) we must ALSO commit to following the practice of Keeping Shabbat. When did the Apostles ever add such requirements to gospel of salvation? When I was attending a Messianic Congregation no one in my Beit Cnesset would ever say this - not to Jewish or Gentile brethen.

In fact, these matters have already been discussed and decided back when the Apostles and Elders of the NT Church convened at the so-called "Jerusalam Council" In Acts 15 some believers were insisting that baptized Gentiles should ALSO be circumcised and keep kosher food laws (etc.). The Apostle Peter bore witness to the miracles that were performed when the Spirit was poured out on the Gentile believers. This revealed that Gentiles are SAVED through faith in Christ, without the necessity of receiving circumcision or adhering to all Jewish laws. The council recommended that Gentile believers abstain from some “essential” Jewish taboos, namely: “things polluted by idols" and fornication went along with ceremonies in pagan temples. No one suggested that, in addition to keeping these other directives, the Gentiles should be commanded to keep Shabbat. I do not remember where any NT Apostle or Prophet commanded this.

why is there 2 or more "camps" if there is one truth? this is a discussion forum but people almost NEVER quote their verses to prove their points they speak what they believe and that is fine but rarely prove what they say or cannot prove what they say and on diffucult question just dont reply at all because they cannot. i will answer tour post to day with scripture you can expect questions.