The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?
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The scripture I sent you spoke for itself. Scripture is unargumentative. You want to get mad get mad at God it's his word.
Dude, I backed with the Bible of your post the live under the law dude. That's why Jesus came. He come to fulfill it by his blood on the cross come on man can't we all just get along I'm going to bed good night.
Read all the scripture that I gave you man you can see my point it's impossible to live under the law that's why Christ came if we were still living under the law we would be sacrificing man come on
I gather that his intent was to support your post to the 'live the law dude' if I read #5,964 right.
Personally, I've granted that they did get soul sleep right, js. I mean, no one can be wrong all the time.
For instance, the JW's got annihilation right.
The Catholics got the Trinity right.
But I'll have to think a minute to figure out what the Mormons got right
Nominal, in name only churches is not directed at any denomination but all. This would include any SDA church that is a church in name only
That is heresy. The church is not a denomination and it is not even an assembly. The church is those who are born again. Some who meet with other people are born again, others who attend the same meeting may not be. Statistically, about 4% of those who attend meetings are born again. God does not condemn anyone who is born again. That even includes SDA, if indeed they are born again.
If you mean by "crucifying these messages", which means to reject SDA heresy, you are making yourself and SDA out to be God. Lord Jesus is Head of his Church, not Ellen G White. The way SDA regards her is borderline idolatry.
Lord Jesus intercedes for His people, i.e. all who are born again. SDA makes a distinction that God does not, all based on a vision that is contrary to scripture. And the way the "vision" reads, only SDA have their prayers answered. SDA condemns anyone and everyone who does not accept their false doctrine.
Actually, that question proves my point perfectly, and here's why:
Paul in 2 Corinthians 3 is not saying the Law itself is death — he actually calls the Law "holy, and just, and good" in Romans 7:12. What he calls the "ministry of death" is the Law written on stone tablets — external, outside of you, with no power to help you keep it. A law carved in cold rock can only condemn you. It diagnoses the problem but cannot cure it. As he says:
But look at what Paul says just before that, in verses 2 and 3:
He is rejoicing over this! The same Law, no longer on dead stone but written by the living Spirit on a living heart — that he calls the "ministration of righteousness."
God was never putting a ministry of death inside you. He was replacing the external ministry of death with an internal ministry of life — which is exactly the prophecy of Jeremiah 31 being fulfilled.
The stone tablet said "Thou shalt not" and watched you fail. The heart says "I will" — because now God Himself is the one writing it with the Spirit of the living God;
That's not condemnation. That's the whole point of the new covenant.
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You implied she meant every denomination other than SDA. She did not because Nominal means in name only. , In name only churches is not directed at any denomination, but all. This would include any SDA church that is a church in name only. As you say, not born again.
Your response to this is just contentious. Your combative nature shows some deeper spiritual issue. Take care
Because she said, "I saw that as the Jews crucified Jesus, so the nominal churches had crucified these messages, and therefore they cannot be benefited by the intercession of Jesus"
You implied she meant every denomination other than SDA. She did not because Nominal means in name only. , In name only churches is not directed at any denomination, but all. This would include any SDA church that is a church in name only. As you say, not born again.
Your response to this is just contentious. Your combative nature shows some deeper spiritual issue. Take care
I think you wanted to answer me vassal the opening post no 1 is mine, you gave a list of verses I think were meant for me, if you want to reply to a post, you click the lover right button ""reply"" or add in the text you are writing @vassal please confirm and I will answer
No way. Do you have any idea what a covenant is? Now if you said that the law of Moses is one of the covenants, then I could agree. it is no longer relevant to born again believers, but it has its place. First, you need to know that the Law was never given to gentiles. "Here O Israel..........." The law's job is to prove to people that they cannot keep it. It's not because the Law is too hard, it because man is so full of rebellion and pride that he will not obey. In other words, the law is good, but we are not.
If the covenant of law had been effective, there would have been no need for a new one. The old covenant requires something of men. Men proved that they could not keep it. The Old Covenant demands the obedience of men. The New Covenant was the result of the obedience of just One, the Lord Jesus. It has nothing to do with fallen man, so we cannot mess it up. The Old Covenant is "You must......." referring to fallen humanity. The New Covenant is "It is finished", referring to the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross, his death, resurrection, ascension and glorification.
The new Covenant is not between man and God. It is between Lord Jesus and God. When we are born again, God includes us in Christ. And that is the only way to be a partaker of the New Covenant. Those who seek to be approved of by God because they keep the law are deluded. Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God. I've been born again for 54 years and not once has God told me that I must observe a Saturday sabbath.
If the covenant of law had been effective, there would have been no need for a new one. The old covenant requires something of men. Men proved that they could not keep it. The Old Covenant demands the obedience of men. The New Covenant was the result of the obedience of just One, the Lord Jesus. It has nothing to do with fallen man, so we cannot mess it up. The Old Covenant is "You must......." referring to fallen humanity. The New Covenant is "It is finished", referring to the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross, his death, resurrection, ascension and glorification.
The new Covenant is not between man and God. It is between Lord Jesus and God. When we are born again, God includes us in Christ. And that is the only way to be a partaker of the New Covenant. Those who seek to be approved of by God because they keep the law are deluded. Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God. I've been born again for 54 years and not once has God told me that I must observe a Saturday sabbath.
What do think Jesus was doing the night He was betrayed? The Law came through Moses, grace and truth through Jesus Christ. (John 1:7.)
The New Covenant is in the precious blood of Jesus, shed for the forgiveness of sins. (Matthew 26:26-28). Hebrews explains the New Covenant, why it is necessary and what it means. This summary from Bible Hub explains it well:
You are unable to read plain text and understand it. You continue to read something that isn’t there. Instead of getting your belief out of scripture, you have inserted your belief into scripture.
look at commentaries if you don't believe me then, from people who studied scripture all theie lives, perhaps you will believe them? this also means we have nothing more to discuss since we have opposite views but I wonder why.
if Paul was following Jesus and he was, then why would he say something different than Jesus who said to keep the commandments? it makes no sense at all.
The cross is the most glorious reality in all of human history and nobody here is diminishing it for a single moment.
But we need to go directly to what God Himself said the New Covenant actually is. Because a asked you to define it and I will tell you that the most authoritative definition does not come from Hebrews or from Bible Hub summaries however helpful those may be. It comes from the prophet God specifically chose to announce the New Covenant centuries before it arrived.
God spoke through Jeremiah and defined the New Covenant in His own words with complete precision:
Behold the days come saith the Lord that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt which my covenant they brake although I was an husband unto them saith the Lord. But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days saith the Lord I will put my law in their inward parts and write it in their hearts and will be their God and they shall be my people. (Jeremiah 31:31-33 KJV)
Read that carefully. God defined His own New Covenant. And what did He say it contains? The same law. Written not on external tablets of stone but on transformed hearts by the Holy Spirit. Same law. New location. New power. New motivation. But the same law.
God did not say I will make a new covenant and replace My law with something different. He said I will put My law in their inward parts and write it in their hearts. The newness of the New Covenant is not in the contents. It is in the method of delivery. The law moves from stone to heart. From external obligation to internal desire. From impossible demand on unchanged human nature to natural expression of a heart genuinely transformed by the Spirit of God.
And Ezekiel confirmed exactly what the Holy Spirit does in that transformed heart:
I will put my spirit within you and cause you to walk in my statutes and ye shall keep my judgments and do them.(Ezekiel 36:27 KJV)
The Holy Spirit causes you to walk in God's statutes and keep His judgments. The same statutes. The same judgments. Including the Sabbath. Including all ten commandments. The New Covenant does not abolish what was written on stone. It writes it deeper on a heart that now genuinely desires to walk in it.
Now on Hebrews 8 and why God established an imperfect first covenant. The writer of Hebrews is not saying the Ten Commandments were imperfect or that they needed to be replaced with different contents. He is saying the old covenant was imperfect in its ability to transform the human heart from within. External law applied to an unchanged sinful heart produces only condemnation because sinful people cannot keep it in their own strength. That is the imperfection. Not the law itself but the inability of external law alone to produce genuine inner transformation.
Jesus confirmed this Himself. The law is not the problem. The unchanged human heart is the problem. That is why He said:
Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets. I am not come to destroy but to fulfil. (Matthew 5:17 NKJV)
Fulfil. Not replace. Not abolish. Fill to its fullest and deepest meaning. And then He went deeper into every commandment in the Sermon on the Mount showing that genuine obedience goes all the way into the heart and not just the outward action.
And on the very night He established the New Covenant with His blood He said with complete clarity:
If ye love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15 KJV)
The same night. The same Jesus. The New Covenant in His blood and the command to keep His commandments in the same conversation. He never presented them as contradictory. He presented them as inseparable.
So the New Covenant is not the blood of Jesus instead of the commandments. The blood of Jesus is what makes it possible for transformed hearts to finally keep the commandments from genuine love rather than external compulsion. The blood covers our failures. The Spirit writes the law on our hearts. And the result is exactly what God promised through Jeremiah. A people who know Him, who love Him and who walk in His ways from the inside out.
That is the New Covenant. Defined by God Himself. Not by Bible Hub.