The theif on the cross misconceptions
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It is prep for priesthood.
Ephesians 4:5-6
Ephesians 4:5-6
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Just going with what the Bible says. Jesus did all the work in making us a kingdom of priests. Water baptism would be stripping Christ of His ability to make us priests.
Revelation 1:5,6
5and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
To Him who loves us and has released us from our sins by His blood, 6who has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and power forever and ever! Amen.
Revelation 1:5,6
5and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
To Him who loves us and has released us from our sins by His blood, 6who has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and power forever and ever! Amen.
I think saying "water baptism is a prep for priesthood" is a way to distance oneself from from what it's really for.
"Just equate water baptism to circumcision." In effect, making water baptism a cut from the same cloth as the Law that couldn't save people.
That's how people are denying the true purpose of water baptism I think. Very clever, but I'm very clever too.
"Just equate water baptism to circumcision." In effect, making water baptism a cut from the same cloth as the Law that couldn't save people.
That's how people are denying the true purpose of water baptism I think. Very clever, but I'm very clever too.
@Magenta @Runningman
In Hebrews chapter 6 this is written about 6 "elementary doctrines" (I numbered them):
"Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of 1) repentance from dead works and of 2) faith toward God, of the 3) doctrine of baptisms, of 4) laying on of hands, of 5) resurrection of the dead, and of 6) eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits."
Notice that there is a doctrine of baptisms; plural. Also, "baptism" has been made into a religious word but it was a very common word when the Bible was written. For example, if you wanted to dip a rag into water for cleaning you would "baptize" the rag into the water. The end result would be that the rag, because of the addition of the water, was now a more effective cleaning tool. So, baptize (baptismo) simply means "to immerse"
In my study there appears to be 4 baptisms. I've written about these before so I don't want to rehash it here. The types of baptisms are with fire, with water, by the Holy Spirit, and with the Holy Spirit.
There is one baptism that establishes our place within the Body of Christ: Baptism by the Holy Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12 records:
"For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. For in fact the body is not one member but many."
"By one Spirit" signifies that the Holy Spirit is the one completing the baptism. And the baptism is into "one body". It is given to the saints to discern the place of each member of the body (but that is another topic).
So, baptism by the Spirit is the one baptism that recharacterizes the individual parts into One complete Body of Christ. And this is independent of each member's background, race, status, sex, education, etc. The Spirit decides this.
This baptism, by the Holy Spirit, is the "one baptism" (of the 4 total baptisms) referenced in Ephesians 4:
"There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."
The hint is that Paul is writing about "one body" and the diversity of gifts among the many parts. In the book he writes extensively about how the parts are to work together. The framework for this is that all parts, individuals within the Body of Christ, make up the one body and are to work together in coordination with the head, who is Christ.
The Spirit places us in the Body to make the one Body of Christ.
Blessings.
In Hebrews chapter 6 this is written about 6 "elementary doctrines" (I numbered them):
"Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of 1) repentance from dead works and of 2) faith toward God, of the 3) doctrine of baptisms, of 4) laying on of hands, of 5) resurrection of the dead, and of 6) eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits."
Notice that there is a doctrine of baptisms; plural. Also, "baptism" has been made into a religious word but it was a very common word when the Bible was written. For example, if you wanted to dip a rag into water for cleaning you would "baptize" the rag into the water. The end result would be that the rag, because of the addition of the water, was now a more effective cleaning tool. So, baptize (baptismo) simply means "to immerse"
In my study there appears to be 4 baptisms. I've written about these before so I don't want to rehash it here. The types of baptisms are with fire, with water, by the Holy Spirit, and with the Holy Spirit.
There is one baptism that establishes our place within the Body of Christ: Baptism by the Holy Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12 records:
"For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. For in fact the body is not one member but many."
"By one Spirit" signifies that the Holy Spirit is the one completing the baptism. And the baptism is into "one body". It is given to the saints to discern the place of each member of the body (but that is another topic).
So, baptism by the Spirit is the one baptism that recharacterizes the individual parts into One complete Body of Christ. And this is independent of each member's background, race, status, sex, education, etc. The Spirit decides this.
This baptism, by the Holy Spirit, is the "one baptism" (of the 4 total baptisms) referenced in Ephesians 4:
"There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."
The hint is that Paul is writing about "one body" and the diversity of gifts among the many parts. In the book he writes extensively about how the parts are to work together. The framework for this is that all parts, individuals within the Body of Christ, make up the one body and are to work together in coordination with the head, who is Christ.
The Spirit places us in the Body to make the one Body of Christ.
Blessings.
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No mention of believing, baptism, repentance, etc. Here I am taking a single verse that guarantees being saved via calling on the name of the Lord.
Romans 10:13
13for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Or here where nothing about believing is even mentioned.
1 Peter 3:21
21and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.
Or here where Jesus said those who are born of water and Spirit can enter the kingdom of God. Nothing about believing to be saved.
John 3:5
5Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.
Romans 10:13
13for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Or here where nothing about believing is even mentioned.
1 Peter 3:21
21and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.
Or here where Jesus said those who are born of water and Spirit can enter the kingdom of God. Nothing about believing to be saved.
John 3:5
5Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.
I gave you what the Bible says and a verse that proves that being a priest in God's kingdom isn't because of water baptism.
You just gave something about Christians being water baptized in preparation for service as a priest. That isn't in the Bible as far as I'm aware.
You gave nothing.
You just gave something about Christians being water baptized in preparation for service as a priest. That isn't in the Bible as far as I'm aware.
You gave nothing.
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Exodus 29
Consecration of the Priests
1 “This is what you are to do to consecrate them, so they may serve me as priests: .... 4 Then
bring Aaron and his sons to the entrance to the tent of meeting and wash them with water.
Leviticus 8
The Ordination of Aaron and His Sons
8 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Bring Aaron and his sons, their garments, the anointing oil, the bull
for the sin offering, the two rams and the basket containing bread made without yeast, 3 and gather
the entire assembly at the entrance to the tent of meeting.” 4 Moses did as the Lord commanded him,
and the assembly gathered at the entrance to the tent of meeting.
5 Moses said to the assembly, “This is what the Lord has commanded to be done.”
6 Then Moses brought Aaron and his sons forward and washed them with water.
Consecration of the Priests
1 “This is what you are to do to consecrate them, so they may serve me as priests: .... 4 Then
bring Aaron and his sons to the entrance to the tent of meeting and wash them with water.
Leviticus 8
The Ordination of Aaron and His Sons
8 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Bring Aaron and his sons, their garments, the anointing oil, the bull
for the sin offering, the two rams and the basket containing bread made without yeast, 3 and gather
the entire assembly at the entrance to the tent of meeting.” 4 Moses did as the Lord commanded him,
and the assembly gathered at the entrance to the tent of meeting.
5 Moses said to the assembly, “This is what the Lord has commanded to be done.”
6 Then Moses brought Aaron and his sons forward and washed them with water.
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