i never discussed the torah you did. I discussed specifically the mosaic law and mainly the commandments.
The Torah is Still Binding and We Must Obey It
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i never discussed the torah you did. I discussed specifically the mosaic law and mainly the commandments.
1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
a) That is not from Scripture! (see post #399)
b) When I became a Christian I died to the law! Romans 7:4, "So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God." (Notice the purpose stated at the end of the sentence!)
c) Quoting from the Old Testament without understanding will always get you in trouble. In this case, extracting part of Jeremiah's prophecy WHICH WAS DIRECTED AT THE JEWS and applying it to Christians is eisegesis.
a) Your posts are not entirely from Scripture.. The above is a perfect example.
b) You should learn how to spell "Scripture". LOL!
1 John 3:6 (in English): No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
1 John 3:9 (in English): No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God"
I am new here so please bear with me. Dino, are you saying that as Christians. we do not have to live under the Law? The 10 commandments, because if you are that is not what the bible teaches. We need to study from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21. If you are saying that we are not under the sacrificial law of killing animals for the forgiveness of sin, then you are right. Jesus paid that price for us. We are still under the law as far as the 10 commandments go. Mal
Have a look at these verses...
Romans 3:20: Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
Romans 3:22b-24:There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus."
Notice that believers are justified by God's grace, not by keeping the law!
If you rely on the law for your righteousness, YOU ARE DENYING CHRIST!!!
Romans 3:20: Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
Romans 3:22b-24:There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus."
Notice that believers are justified by God's grace, not by keeping the law!
If you rely on the law for your righteousness, YOU ARE DENYING CHRIST!!!
Does the devil have the role of leading us to obey what God has commanded or leading us away from obeying what God has commanded?
1) Jesus, when He was on earth, kept the Law perfectly.
2) Because I am in Christ, I am considered as having kept the Law perfectly.
3) Therefore, the Law does not apply to me or any other Christian.
Romans 7:4, "So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God."
Nothing could be plainer than that statement!
2) Because I am in Christ, I am considered as having kept the Law perfectly.
3) Therefore, the Law does not apply to me or any other Christian.
Romans 7:4, "So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God."
Nothing could be plainer than that statement!
The way to become righteous is different from what it means to become righteous. The only way to attain a character trait in general is through faith that we ought to be doers of that character trait and what it means to attain a character trait is to become someone who is a doer of that trait. For example, there are no amount of courageous works that someone is required to have done first in order to to become courageous as the result as if it could be earned as a a wage, but rather the only way for someone to become courageous is through faith that they ought to be doers of courageous works. Becoming courageous means becoming a doer of courageous works and it is contradictory for someone to become courageous apart from becoming a doer of courageous works.
The same is true of righteousness where the only way to become righteous is through faith that we ought to be doers of righteous works apart from being required to have first done a certain amount of righteous works. Becoming righteous means becoming a doer of righteous works, just as it would be contradictory for God to be righteous if He were not a doer of righteous works. This is why the same faith by which we are declared righteous does not abolish our need to be doers of righteous works, but rather our faith upholds it (Romans 3:27-31).
In 1 John 2:6, it does not say that those who are in Christ do not need to walk in the same way he walked, but rather it says that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked. Those who refuse to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law should not consider themselves to be in Christ.
We need to die to a law that was hindering us from being joined to Christ and hindering us from bearing fruit for God in order to be free to do those things, namely the law of sin. It would be absurd to think that we need to die to God's instructions for how to be joined to Christ and how to bear fruit for Him in order to be free to do those things. In other words, we need to die to the law of sin in order to be free to obey the Law of God, not die to the Law of God in order to be free to obey the law of sin, so you've safely died to the wrong law.
No issue with "bearing with you"; we were all new at one time.
I agree: we must study the Bible from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21, but we need to notice the teaching within that explains Christians, especially Gentile Christians, are not under the Sinai covenant, of which the 10 commandments are part.
Notice particularly the following:
Acts 15, wherein Gentile Christians are given just four instructions;
Galatians 3:10, wherein Paul states (quoting the Law, no less) that those who do not do EVERYTHING in the Law (as appropriate) or you are cursed;
Hebrews 8:13, wherein the writer states that the old covenant is obsolete;
James 2:10, wherein James states that whoever keeps the whole law but fails in ONE point becomes guilty of all of it.
We need to discern what is informational for us as Christians (much of the Old Testament) and what is instructional. As I have explained to others, A Christian's relationship to the old covenant Law is somewhat like a homebound American's relationship to civil laws in Borneo: they may do things that align with the Borneo laws, but they are not "under" them.
Our relationship with God is not based on adherence to the old covenant Law. That was for ancient Israel, and they failed miserably at it. Jesus said at the last supper that He has made a new covenant in His blood; that is the covenant under which Christians live out their faith.
Here is your post:
"Does the devil have the role of leading us to obey what God has commanded or leading us away from obeying what God has commanded? "
Your question implies that those are the only two possible options. They aren't.
Dino, I am not sure I understand, are you saying that we do not need to read and understand the Old Testament? We need all of God's word to have the proper understanding. We have to understand the beginning to understand the end, we need to understand the prophets so that we can see the end coming.