The trinity ,can you be saved and not believe in it?
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I'm sure some possibly many will say yes and no.
Jesus said HE is the only way to the Father. John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Salvation comes by placing one's faith in the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. The understanding fully of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit is incomprehensible. We are limited. the word of God, Creation, and a relationship is the only way now we can know the eternal Godhead. Trust Jesus HE will not lead you into confusion.
If Jesus is your Lord and savior, you have the Holy Spirit, and you pray to the Father in the name of Jesus all hear you and will listen and fully understand your heart. Do not let those who think they fully know all about God trip you up with foolishness
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I believe the concept of the trinity is well seen in the word of God as God has revealed himself in the Son and by the Holy Spirit.
I am not going to lie and think I can fully explain all there is about the eternal Godhead. Those who try always fall short.
Jesus said HE is the only way to the Father. John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Salvation comes by placing one's faith in the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. The understanding fully of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit is incomprehensible. We are limited. the word of God, Creation, and a relationship is the only way now we can know the eternal Godhead. Trust Jesus HE will not lead you into confusion.
If Jesus is your Lord and savior, you have the Holy Spirit, and you pray to the Father in the name of Jesus all hear you and will listen and fully understand your heart. Do not let those who think they fully know all about God trip you up with foolishness
.I believe the concept of the trinity is well seen in the word of God as God has revealed himself in the Son and by the Holy Spirit.
I am not going to lie and think I can fully explain all there is about the eternal Godhead. Those who try always fall short.
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Believing that is biblically errant.
Mat_12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Jesus said this while on the Earth and said that the Father was in Heaven so clearly Jesus can not be the Father. Do you have a Son? Is your Son actually you? Of course not.
Mat_12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Jesus said this while on the Earth and said that the Father was in Heaven so clearly Jesus can not be the Father. Do you have a Son? Is your Son actually you? Of course not.
My brother in law was raised a Jehovah's Witness. They deny the divinity of Jesus. He was saved sometime after my sister came to the Lord. He had a lot of trouble believing that Jesus is Divine until he rid himself of everything relating to J.W. teachings. Once he did that, it was like a veil lifted and he believed.
The Trinity is a mystery and beyond human reason. We know that Lord Jesus is the visible image of the invisible God. Lord Jesus claimed to be God. In Him all the fullness of the Godhead dwells in bodily form. How you get your head around all that, I don't know. It's the truth. I believe even when I do not understand.
The Trinity is a mystery and beyond human reason. We know that Lord Jesus is the visible image of the invisible God. Lord Jesus claimed to be God. In Him all the fullness of the Godhead dwells in bodily form. How you get your head around all that, I don't know. It's the truth. I believe even when I do not understand.
The Lord tells us we see darkly, there is no scripture telling us we must see God perfectly in order to be saved. In fact Paul explains that there are differences in understanding that we must accept. Our Lord certainly accepts we understand differently. We are told we must only understand Christ and what Christ did for us.
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Peter's Address on the Day of Pentecost
NASB Act 2:22 "Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know--
Deu 6:4 "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!
The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible tells us that there are two valid ways of interpreting the Shema of Deuteronomy 6:4. It is possible to translate, "Yahweh, our God, is one Yahweh"- in which case the Shema affirms that Yahweh can not be divided into several Yahweh manifestations (poly-Yahwism), like the Baals of different sanctuaries [or we might add the Trinity of later Nicene Christianity]. Or we may translate: "Yahweh is our God, Yahweh alone"-in which case the Shema affirms that Yahweh is the only and the unique God [we will soon see that Jesus affirmed this creed and John 17:3].
Both of these nuances are given in other Old Testament passages. The person of God is indivisible and he has no other in His class for He is alone and unique. He is a single divine individual.
Deu 4:35 "To you it was shown that you might know that the LORD, He is God; there is
no other besides Him….39 "Know therefore today, and take it to your heart, that the
LORD, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.
Deu 32:39 'See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me; It is I who put to
death and give life. I have wounded and it is I who heal, And there is no one who can
deliver from My hand.
Isa 44:6 "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am
the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.
The New Testament clearly states Jesus has a God and Father, both before and after his
resurrection. We know the Bible does not contradict.
Jesus Speaking:
John 20:17 - "I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."
Matthew 27:46 - "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"
Revelation 3:12 - "Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God."
Revelation 3:2 - "for I have not found your works complete in the sight of my God."
Paul:
Ephesians 1:3 - "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."
Ephesians 1:17 - "I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father..."
2 Corinthians 1:3 - "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."
2 Corinthians 11:31 - "The God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ knows, He who is blessed forever, that I do not lie."
Romans 15:6 - "that with one accord you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."
Peter:
1 Peter 1:3 - "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."
John:
Rev 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him
H. N. Snaith in his book, “The Distinctive Ideas of the Old Testament,” writes “Christianity itself has tended to suffer from a translation out of the Prophets and into Plato.” (p161) “Our position is that the reinterpretation of Biblical theology in terms of the ideas of the Greek philosophers has been both a widespread throughout the centuries and everywhere destructive to the essence of the Christian faith.” (p187.). Snaith also makes this remark that if his “thesis” is correct:… “then neither Catholic nor Protestant theology is based on Biblical theology. In each case we have a denomination of Christian theology by Greek thought… We hold that there can be no right (theology) until we have come to a clear view of the distinctive ideas of both Old and New Testaments and their differences from the pagan ideas which have so largely dominated Christian thought.” (p188.).
NASB Act 2:22 "Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know--
Deu 6:4 "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!
The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible tells us that there are two valid ways of interpreting the Shema of Deuteronomy 6:4. It is possible to translate, "Yahweh, our God, is one Yahweh"- in which case the Shema affirms that Yahweh can not be divided into several Yahweh manifestations (poly-Yahwism), like the Baals of different sanctuaries [or we might add the Trinity of later Nicene Christianity]. Or we may translate: "Yahweh is our God, Yahweh alone"-in which case the Shema affirms that Yahweh is the only and the unique God [we will soon see that Jesus affirmed this creed and John 17:3].
Both of these nuances are given in other Old Testament passages. The person of God is indivisible and he has no other in His class for He is alone and unique. He is a single divine individual.
Deu 4:35 "To you it was shown that you might know that the LORD, He is God; there is
no other besides Him….39 "Know therefore today, and take it to your heart, that the
LORD, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.
Deu 32:39 'See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me; It is I who put to
death and give life. I have wounded and it is I who heal, And there is no one who can
deliver from My hand.
Isa 44:6 "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am
the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.
The New Testament clearly states Jesus has a God and Father, both before and after his
resurrection. We know the Bible does not contradict.
Jesus Speaking:
John 20:17 - "I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."
Matthew 27:46 - "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"
Revelation 3:12 - "Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God."
Revelation 3:2 - "for I have not found your works complete in the sight of my God."
Paul:
Ephesians 1:3 - "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."
Ephesians 1:17 - "I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father..."
2 Corinthians 1:3 - "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."
2 Corinthians 11:31 - "The God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ knows, He who is blessed forever, that I do not lie."
Romans 15:6 - "that with one accord you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."
Peter:
1 Peter 1:3 - "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."
John:
Rev 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him
H. N. Snaith in his book, “The Distinctive Ideas of the Old Testament,” writes “Christianity itself has tended to suffer from a translation out of the Prophets and into Plato.” (p161) “Our position is that the reinterpretation of Biblical theology in terms of the ideas of the Greek philosophers has been both a widespread throughout the centuries and everywhere destructive to the essence of the Christian faith.” (p187.). Snaith also makes this remark that if his “thesis” is correct:… “then neither Catholic nor Protestant theology is based on Biblical theology. In each case we have a denomination of Christian theology by Greek thought… We hold that there can be no right (theology) until we have come to a clear view of the distinctive ideas of both Old and New Testaments and their differences from the pagan ideas which have so largely dominated Christian thought.” (p188.).
Consider, trinity affords all Glory to Christ to make his seat like the Most High (God of the godhead). To do so, from where did the Glory come? It written - all Glory is God's.
If I should blaspheme against Jesus and say Jesus is not God, will I be forgiven? It is written - yes.
If I should blaspheme against God and say God is a bunch of Persons, will I be forgiven? It is written - I will surely die.
If I should rewrite the Scriptures and blaspheme against the Spirit of God, will I be forgiven? It is written - no.
All sin will be punished whether you knew of it or not. However, sinning with knowledge of the sin, you will be punished more.
If I should blaspheme against Jesus and say Jesus is not God, will I be forgiven? It is written - yes.
If I should blaspheme against God and say God is a bunch of Persons, will I be forgiven? It is written - I will surely die.
If I should rewrite the Scriptures and blaspheme against the Spirit of God, will I be forgiven? It is written - no.
All sin will be punished whether you knew of it or not. However, sinning with knowledge of the sin, you will be punished more.
Greetings. . . Remember there is a Trinity in the word "Saviour"—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, with the Savior being three people under ONE name. You cannot be saved without the Father, nor the Son without the Father, nor the Father and Son without the Spirit. But, just as they are one in creation, they are one in salvation, working together in one God for our salvation.
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Then He (JESUS) told them, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. That is
why I told you that you would die in your sins. For unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”
1 Corinthians 11:19~ No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God's approval.
why I told you that you would die in your sins. For unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”
1 Corinthians 11:19~ No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God's approval.
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You need to do research on " Oneness". Being One does not mean being the same. Jesus prayed to the Father that His disciples would share the same love that they shared and that His disciples would be One just like the Father and Son are one. We do not become equal to God when we are One with the Father and Son.To be One with the Father and Son you have to be filled with the Holy Spirit . It is the Holy Spirit that perfects us by filling us with the same love that Father and Son share and opening up communication with them so that we are led by them. Jesus was filled with the Father's Holy Spirit. That is why He kept saying that the words that He spoke were not His but the Father's.