I'm not asking you "IF" you pray dagallen, I'm asking you who do you pray to? So you don't pray to Jesus, you pray to the Father just like Jesus prayed to the Father correct?
IN GOD THE SON,
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I'm not asking you "IF" you pray dagallen, I'm asking you who do you pray to? So you don't pray to Jesus, you pray to the Father just like Jesus prayed to the Father correct?
IN GOD THE SON,
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Dagallen
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I'm not asking you "IF" you pray dagallen, I'm asking you who do you pray to? So you don't pray to Jesus, you pray to the Father just like Jesus prayed to the Father correct?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Who did Jesus pray to ? Father if it be Your will. He prayed to his Father and taught us to pray, our Father who art in heaven, as his Father is our Father, God the Father, the only true God, just as Jesus taught.
Well dagallen, who did Stephen pray to with his last dying breath at Acts 7:59,60?
IN GOD THE SON,
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Well dagallen, who did Stephen pray to with his last dying breath at Acts 7:59,60?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Just another loaded question, after question, after question .why do you do such things ? Hoping I will give an answer you can destroy. Why is it, most people won't spend very much time debating things with you ? Because you seek to destroy any one who does not agree with you.
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Stephen " Acts 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God ( the Father ) and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. ( Why did Stephen call upon God the Father ? Because that's how Jesus taught people to pray, then Say's, Lord Jesus receive my spirit. You spend a lot of time talking about Jesus but you most often leave God the Father out, why ?
No dagallen, you got me all wrong. I'm not here in no way shape or form to destroy you. Here is what 2 Corinthians 10:4,5 says, "for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses, We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ."
The things I post are for a reason in order to get you to think so you can come to logical and coherent conclusions. So when you say you only pray to God and not to Jesus naturally I will ask you why did Stephen pray to Jesus? Or when you deny that Jesus Christ is God, why did Thomas say Jesus was his Lord and God? And btw, I'm not the only exposing your post as being contradictory to scripture, others around here are as well. In short, we really care about you.
IN GOD THE SON,
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No dagallen, you got me all wrong. I'm not here in no way shape or form to destroy you. Here is what 2 Corinthians 10:4,5 says, "for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses, We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ."
The things I post are for a reason in order to get you to think so you can come to logical and coherent conclusions. So when you say you only pray to God and not to Jesus naturally I will ask you why did Stephen pray to Jesus? Or when you deny that Jesus Christ is God, why did Thomas say Jesus was his Lord and God? And btw, I'm not the only exposing your post as being contradictory to scripture, others around here are as well. In short, we really care about you.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Why do I care ? Because you spend so much time on Jesus only and you leave God the Father out. Stephen prayed exactly as Jesus taught all to pray, calling upon God the Father, the only true God, as Jesus taught, then it Say's, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit, why I ask, why didn't Stephen just say, Lord Jesus receive my spirit ?
The dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it. Ecc 12:7
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First of all I don't leave God the Father out. Why do you always leave Jesus out like He's chopped liver? I only go by what the verses say and teach. And the immediate context of Stephen's prayer at Acts 7:59 says explicitly, "And they went on stoning Stephen AS HE CALLED UPON THE LORD AND SAID, "LORD JESUS RECEIVE MY SPIRIT." Stephen is "NOT" asking God the Father to receive His spirit.
Furthermore, at vs60 it says, "And falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them!" Who is the Lord Stephen is addressing here dagallen? It's the Lord Jesus Christ. Your saying Stephen was praying exactly how Jesus had taught them to call upon the Father. What I want to know is how do you know Stephen was there three years earlier when Jesus taught His disciples how to pray? How do you know Stephen was there? You have to learn how to quit "assuming" things all the time. They did not have the Bible at that time like we do now, why don't you get that?
IN GOD THE SON,
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First of all I don't leave God the Father out. Why do you always leave Jesus out like He's chopped liver? I only go by what the verses say and teach. And the immediate context of Stephen's prayer at Acts 7:59 says explicitly, "And they went on stoning Stephen AS HE CALLED UPON THE LORD AND SAID, "LORD JESUS RECEIVE MY SPIRIT." Stephen is "NOT" asking God the Father to receive His spirit.
Furthermore, at vs60 it says, "And falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them!" Who is the Lord Stephen is addressing here dagallen? It's the Lord Jesus Christ. Your saying Stephen was praying exactly how Jesus had taught them to call upon the Father. What I want to know is how do you know Stephen was there three years earlier when Jesus taught His disciples how to pray? How do you know Stephen was there? You have to learn how to quit "assuming" things all the time. They did not have the Bible at that time like we do now, why don't you get that?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
They did not need a book called the bible, they had a teacher who was sent, Jesus Christ, as his teaching did spread through out the land quickly, by word of mouth, from door to door. It says, calling upon God, then it says, Lord Jesus receive my spirit. He called upon God first and then ask Jesus to receive his spirit. But I see you changed the passage.
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Jesus say, what is Mine is His and what is His is Mine, what ever spirit Jesus receives, Jesus gives to God the Father, as the relationship between God the Father and His Son, is never one sided So Stephen called upon God, who Jesus taught is the only true God, Stephen included God the Father and then saying, Lord Jesus receive my spirit. So the question becomes, why didn't Stephen just say, Lord Jesus receive my spirit ? Because the teachings of Jesus was well known of how he taught them and us to pray, Stephen calling upon God the Father was correct, then saying Jesus receive my spirit, if Stephen spirit was worthy, Jesus would have received his spirit, giving Stephens spirit back to God the Father, why ? Because God the Father will allow His Kingdom to be polluted with spirits that are unworthy. All spirits will face Jesus at some point and see him but all spirits will not see God the Father. My phone is very small, so if there is s typing error that's why, I hope the above will lead some to include God the Father, as much as they do Jesus Christ but most often God the Gather is not included.
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Do ever pray to Jesus jaybird, or do you ever pray to Him dagallen? This is another simple yes or no question?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
i dont pray to myself.
Originally Posted by blutoWell dagallen, who did Stephen pray to with his last dying breath at Acts 7:59,60?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
LOL dodging the question again?
A direct claim to Godhead.
So you agree that Stephen prayed to the Lord Jesus?
Where did Stephen call on God? He called on Jesus as LORD.
He did in my Bible,
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But Stephen didn't 'call on God'. He called on the Lord Jesus.
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IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
So you think you are the Lord Jesus?