The Truth About The Sabbath

[Josh321]

What you call "the Mosaic laws" were those given by God---through Moses. The ceremonial portion the blood ordinances, circumcision ritual, etc. is obviously not obligatory in the New Covenant. The other portion, the moral law ("the Law of the Lord") is. If it were not, why would John write, "...sin is the transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4)? Why danschance, will you never answer this question? Why, instead, do you dogmatically cling to the verses you repeat out of context?
And you refer to "Jewish laws," as though the Law of the Lord pertained to the Judah portion only of Israel. Are you ignorant of the fact that when the Law of the Lord was given there where no Jews, that "Jew" identifies the Judah portion only of Israel only. This ignorance, of the distinction between Judah and Israel, is the root of most false doctrine today, yours, obviously, included.

thank you so much for typing this sir, that's why every person needs to be born again, because sin is the transgression of the law and everyone without christ is under the law of sin, to transgress against the law by NATURE so that's why all that is needed is the holy spirit, you would be free from sin, you won't practice sin anymore, that's all, literally the only thing, nothing else only Jesus, [h=3]John 14:6[/h]King James Version (KJV)

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


nothing else but him.


John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

 

[Josh321]

[h=3]Romans 2:14-15[/h]King James Version (KJV)

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another



do you see it? lest you be wise in your own conceit, the gentiles ( unbelievers, without christ ) are under the law of Sin( transgress against the law by nature ) that's why we need to be born again to have his righteousness

 

[Historicist]

I believe the 4th commandment has been replaced with "Do not forsake the assembly of God's people" Hebrews 10:25. There is no specific day which has been set aside, yet we should gather together.

danschance, what you believe and promote regarding the 4th commandment and other laws is contrary to context and Christian history. Why do you think the Puritan/Pilgrim founders of this nation respected the fourth commandment by ceasing from their labors on Sunday. What do you think, is the origin of "blue laws," the laws, once in every state, which prohibited the selling of victuals and wares (see Neh. 10:29-31) on Sunday? Whose side are you on?

 

[LT]

danschance, what you believe and promote regarding the 4th commandment and other laws is contrary to context and Christian history. Why do you think the Puritan/Pilgrim founders of this nation respected the fourth commandment by ceasing from their labors on Sunday. What do you think, is the origin of "blue laws," the laws, once in every state, which prohibited the selling of victuals and wares (see Neh. 10:29-31) on Sunday? Whose side are you on?

Why are blue laws relevant? Puritans were hypocritical legalists that created a false 'religious' culture in America, with no spirituality.

They misrepresented Christ, and now He is hated: not for His work or Word, but for false rules and false graceless condemnation preached by the false 'Puritan' church.

We should be hated for the cause of Christ, not for shoving morality at people.

 

[Hizikyah]

I have a question for all that say Sabbath is now for any reason not the 7th day of the week:

please tell me what this verse is then, because without a explanation other than what I believe I can not think Sabbath has been changed. (ps Sabbath has not been changed, but for being open I ask this)

Daniel 7:25, "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time"

2166 zeman

zeman: time
Original Word: ?????
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: zeman
Phonetic Spelling: (zem-awn')
Short Definition: time

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
(Chaldee); from H2165; the same as H2165:—season, time.

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) a set time, time, season


5732 iddan - time
Original Word: ??????
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: iddan
Phonetic Spelling: (id-dawn')
Short Definition: time

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
(Chaldee); from a root corresponding to that of H5708; a set time; technically a year:—time.

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) time
1a) time (of duration)
1b) year

Daniyl 7 is written in Aramaic, yet "zeman" is the Aramaic parallel of "moed", showing this for understand, and 7th day Sabbath is listed in Leviticus 23.

Leviticus 23:2, "Speak to the children of Israel, and tell them, 'The set feasts of Yahweh, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my set feasts.""

4150. moed - appointed time, place, or meeting
Original Word: ??????
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: moed
Phonetic Spelling: (mo-ade')
Short Definition: meeting

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
From H3259; properly an appointment, that is, a fixed time or season; specifically a festival; conventionally a year; by implication, an assembly (as convened for a definite purpose); technically the congregation; by extension, the place of meeting; also a signal (as appointed beforehand):—appointed (sign, time), (place of, solemn) assembly, congregation, (set, solemn) feast, (appointed, due) season, solemn (-ity), synagogue, (set) time (appointed).

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) appointed place, appointed time, meeting
1a) appointed time
1a1) appointed time (general)
1a2) sacred season, set feast, appointed season
1b) appointed meeting
1c) appointed place
1d) appointed sign or signal
1e) tent of meeting

 

[LT]

I have a question for all that say Sabbath is now for any reason not the 7th day of the week:

please tell me what this verse is then, because without a explanation other than what I believe I can not think Sabbath has been changed. (ps Sabbath has not been changed, but for being open I ask this)

Daniel 7:25, "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time"

2166 zeman

zeman: time
Original Word: ?????
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: zeman
Phonetic Spelling: (zem-awn')
Short Definition: time

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
(Chaldee); from H2165; the same as H2165:—season, time.

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) a set time, time, season


5732 iddan - time
Original Word: ??????
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: iddan
Phonetic Spelling: (id-dawn')
Short Definition: time

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
(Chaldee); from a root corresponding to that of H5708; a set time; technically a year:—time.

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) time
1a) time (of duration)
1b) year

Daniyl 7 is written in Aramaic, yet "zeman" is the Aramaic parallel of "moed", showing this for understand, and 7th day Sabbath is listed in Leviticus 23.

Leviticus 23:2, "Speak to the children of Israel, and tell them, 'The set feasts of Yahweh, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my set feasts.""

4150. moed - appointed time, place, or meeting
Original Word: ??????
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: moed
Phonetic Spelling: (mo-ade')
Short Definition: meeting

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
From H3259; properly an appointment, that is, a fixed time or season; specifically a festival; conventionally a year; by implication, an assembly (as convened for a definite purpose); technically the congregation; by extension, the place of meeting; also a signal (as appointed beforehand):—appointed (sign, time), (place of, solemn) assembly, congregation, (set, solemn) feast, (appointed, due) season, solemn (-ity), synagogue, (set) time (appointed).

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) appointed place, appointed time, meeting
1a) appointed time
1a1) appointed time (general)
1a2) sacred season, set feast, appointed season
1b) appointed meeting
1c) appointed place
1d) appointed sign or signal
1e) tent of meeting

most aren't saying that the official "Sabbath" has changed days, but that it doesn't matter which day you take off, as long as you give 1 of 7 to the Lord as a day of rest.

They are saying that the calendar day means nothing, only the principle of taking a day off.

 

[Hizikyah]

most aren't saying that the official "Sabbath" has changed days, but that it doesn't matter which day you take off, as long as you give 1 of 7 to the Lord as a day of rest.

They are saying that the calendar day means nothing, only the principle of taking a day off.

One, would that not be taking the authority to change the Law of the Most High into ones own hands?

and two, then why would the Creator specify a certain day if it didnt matter?

three, that does not address the meaning of that verse I quoted.

(also my question still stands to any and all)

 

[LT]

One, would that not be taking the authority to change the Law of the Most High into ones own hands?

and two, then why would the Creator specify a certain day if it didnt matter?

three, that does not address the meaning of that verse I quoted.

(also my question still stands to any and all)

yes, it is taking the Sabbath into one's own conscience, which as a Christian, is controlled by the Holy Spirit.

The Creator set aside 1 of 7. The specific day out of the week only matters to the Jews as a governmental form. We are not enslaved to Jewish government, just the principles of God. I know you disagree.
I have been taking a Saturday Sabbath for the past 2 weeks, and may continue to do so, but I don't think it is demanded by God, nor is it a sin to follow use Sunday.

 

[Hizikyah]

yes, it is taking the Sabbath into one's own conscience, which as a Christian, is controlled by the Holy Spirit.

The Creator set aside 1 of 7. The specific day out of the week only matters to the Jews as a governmental form. We are not enslaved to Jewish government, just the principles of God. I know you disagree.
I have been taking a Saturday Sabbath for the past 2 weeks, and may continue to do so, but I don't think it is demanded by God, nor is it a sin to follow use Sunday.

You said, "only matters to the Jews as a governmental form"

Spiritually speaking Sabbath (7th day) has always been for Hebrew and non-Hebrew alike:

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."

Also praise Yahweh for those who meet with Him at His appointed time, as only He can appoint a time.

 

[Hizikyah]

yes, it is taking the Sabbath into one's own conscience, which as a Christian, is controlled by the Holy Spirit.

We must test the Spirits by Scripture, and if a spirit is telling one to guard a day as Yahweh's Sabbath other than the day Yahweh says, that is not the Spirit of Yahweh.

For the Spirit does not contradict itself.

Yet another has, "worn out the saints....."

Daniel 7:25, "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time"

 

[LT]

You said, "only matters to the Jews as a governmental form"

Spiritually speaking Sabbath (7th day) has always been for Hebrew and non-Hebrew alike:

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."

Also praise Yahweh for those who meet with Him at His appointed time, as only He can appoint a time.

there are no gentiles in the New Covenant.
there is no Temple.
There is no official day called 'Sabbath'.
there is only the principle left: to set aside 1 day out of 7 for the Lord and rest.

You really can't convince me, because I find the whole thing fallacious. I don't think it's wrong to worship and rest on Saturday, but I do think it's a sin to try to get others to feel guilty for taking Sunday off instead.

 

[Hizikyah]

there are no gentiles in the New Covenant.
there is no Temple.
There is no official day called 'Sabbath'.
there is only the principle left: to set aside 1 day out of 7 for the Lord and rest.

You really can't convince me, because I find the whole thing fallacious. I don't think it's wrong to worship and rest on Saturday, but I do think it's a sin to try to get others to feel guilty for taking Sunday off instead.

There are only Israylites in the body of Messiah, no matter bloodline.

The body of believers are the "temple"

And according to the Most High, there is an official day called Sabbath.

Why would it be wrong for me or anyone to preach against this act in Daniyl 7:25, and call people to return to Yahweh and not a God of their imagination?

(ps I care not about guilt, but I care all for truth)

 

[john832]

most aren't saying that the official "Sabbath" has changed days, but that it doesn't matter which day you take off, as long as you give 1 of 7 to the Lord as a day of rest.

They are saying that the calendar day means nothing, only the principle of taking a day off.

Wouldn't it be more appropriate to ask God whether it mattered? No where does He say 1 in 7, He always says "the seventh day".

 

[john832]

there are no gentiles in the New Covenant.
there is no Temple.
There is no official day called 'Sabbath'.
there is only the principle left: to set aside 1 day out of 7 for the Lord and rest.

You really can't convince me, because I find the whole thing fallacious. I don't think it's wrong to worship and rest on Saturday, but I do think it's a sin to try to get others to feel guilty for taking Sunday off instead.

Can you show me a scripture that changes the seventh day to one in seven?

 

[Laodicea]

I agree, but there is nothing in the text of the fourth commandment identifying other than one day in a cycle of sevens. To say that Saturday is in this text is absurd when one considers that the seven names for days of the week were not given until the after the New Covenant went into effect. Again, there is nothing in the text of the fourth commandment telling us that is was anything other than one day in a cycle of sevens. The confusion lies in most Christians not knowing that sabbaton (Strong's #4521) is translated "week" in Matthew 28:1 and seven other references. Matt. 28:1 describes the day that Jesus rose from the dead as "the first day of the week (sabbatons)." Matthew, in other words, and seven other references call this day "the first" the number one, or the chief of sabbatons. Early in the next century, when names were applied to days of the week, this one was given---Sunday. Justin Martyr, in the second century, affirmed that the day on which Jesus rose from the dead, "the first of the Sabbatons," the day which came to be known as "Sunday," was applicable to the fourth commandment. Over eighteen hundred years of Christian history tell us the same. The bottom line is that there are eight NT references connecting the fourth commandment Sabbath to the day Jesus rose from the dead, the which came to be known as Sunday.

Exodus 20:10-11 KJV
(10) But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
(11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


It is not a seventh day but, the seventh day. God blessed only one day not all seven. We cannot just keep one day in seven but the seventh day, the day God blessed. The seventh day is Saturday.

 

[Karraster]

there are no gentiles in the New Covenant.
there is no Temple.
There is no official day called 'Sabbath'.
there is only the principle left: to set aside 1 day out of 7 for the Lord and rest.

You really can't convince me, because I find the whole thing fallacious. I don't think it's wrong to worship and rest on Saturday, but I do think it's a sin to try to get others to feel guilty for taking Sunday off instead.

This is the mindset that sought to/and indeed did, get the ten commandments removed from sight in the US. Satan must be very proud that arguments of your sort has for the most part, been successful. Now chew on that.

 

[LT]

This is the mindset that sought to/and indeed did, get the ten commandments removed from sight in the US. Satan must be very proud that arguments of your sort has for the most part, been successful. Now chew on that.

wow, you are a spiteful person. why target me?

if you want to enslave yourself, go ahead.

ignoring user.
I am growing so tired of the shallow cultural 'Christians' that roll around in here.

How does the American legal system affect your call to Christ?

 

[Josh321]

wow, you are a spiteful person. why target me?

if you want to enslave yourself, go ahead.

ignoring user.
I am growing so tired of the shallow cultural 'Christians' that roll around in here.

How does the American legal system affect your call to Christ?

you sure they even married to christ? all i see is stones getting exhalted more than our God, instead of being married to christ they are married to religion

 

[Karraster]

there are no gentiles in the New Covenant.
there is no Temple.
There is no official day called 'Sabbath'.
there is only the principle left: to set aside 1 day out of 7 for the Lord and rest.

You really can't convince me, because I find the whole thing fallacious. I don't think it's wrong to worship and rest on Saturday, but I do think it's a sin to try to get others to feel guilty for taking Sunday off instead.

This is the mindset that sought to/and indeed did, get the ten commandments removed from sight in the US. Satan must be very proud that arguments of your sort has for the most part, been successful. Now chew on that.

wow, you are a spiteful person. why target me?

if you want to enslave yourself, go ahead.

ignoring user.
I am growing so tired of the shallow cultural 'Christians' that roll around in here.

How does the American legal system affect your call to Christ?

I see men teaching the errors of Rome. Peter had not the authority to change the law of Almighty anymore than the Pope! To say one does not believe in Messiah if we follow His commandments? You know what Paul had to say about that, but that's a pesky little verse, now isn't it? God forbid... false teachers say Messiah's words have no merit.

In Matthew 5:17, Jesus declared, "Think NOT that I am come to destroy the Law . . ." So WHY is it that this is what people think? Jesus clearly said DO NOT EVEN THINK THIS, yet ministers and Bible "scholars" alike go ahead and GO AGAINST Jesus' clear teaching by saying that we do not have to keep God's Law. We are warned of these FALSE teachers by the apostle Paul in 2Cor 11:13-15, "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness: whose end shall be according to their works." Satan's ministers pawn themselves off as Jesus' ministers and Satan makes himself out to be Christ!!!

 

[Karraster]

you sure they even married to christ? all i see is stones getting exhalted more than our God, instead of being married to christ they are married to religion

The apostle John taught throughout his writings that the law is still to be observed by God's people. You could read in John 5:14 & 8:11 where Jesus told people to "sin no more". WHAT IS SIN? I Jn 3:4 states, " . . . sin is the transgression of the law". SIN IS THE BREAKING OF GOD'S COMMANDMENTS! Jesus said not to break them anymore!! John said that we don't even know Jesus IF WE DON"T keep the commandments (I Jn 2:3-6). He continued to show that we are to keep the commandments in the book of Revelation. Rev 12:17 says, "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Now read Rev 14:12, "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Rev 22:14 states: "Blessed are they that do His commandments . . . "