The truth behind the Law

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Rainrider said:
For one to know what they must follow, they must first study Torah. For me to go through all ^13 laws in the OT, then go through all 1050 i the NT would take quit some time. Being as I know that I would be faced with also answering questions, that can be answered if one will simply study.
.21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.Galatians 2


As I have maintained in all my post in regard to this same question, and have stated above. One must study, to find this answer. If a law is made for the Priest, then only they need follow it, if it is one for women, then men have no need of said law.

.21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.Galatians 2

Please forgive my use of metaphors. Had no clue it would ever be taken literal.
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when did law , give you righteousness. you can use as many metaphor s s you want, if it never finds a root, there will be no growth. (weeds will be burned in the fire, along with the lies, that made the weed grow in the first place, according to the book of revelations,) (food for thought)

.4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness.6 Galatians 5


first learn ,who maintains, the christians faith. (when was law the maintainer of faith)(acts 15)

.21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.Galatians 2
 
miknik5 said:
If we followed that train of thought sir, after hearing the TRUTH of THE GOSPEL, and salvation in CHRIST JESUS, what would be the very loving thing to do for your neighbor whom you are to love as your own soul?
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What situation are you asking about?
 
Dan_473 said:
What situation are you asking about?
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Sir of someone doesn't believe THE GODPEL how are they going to be justified by the law?

you said you read Romans 2 and 3
but if all mouths will be silenced and then law already said none are righteous, how can one profess themselves apart from the truth of the GOSPEL?

and if they could why does Paul preach the righteousness which is of faith and did not want to be found apart from HIS ROYAL ROBES of TOGHTEOUSNESS professing a false sense of his own self-righteousness?

why did Paul want to be found "hidden in HIM"?
 
The thief on the cross was led captive in HIS train

just as all those who believed JESUS when HE descended and preached by the SPIRIT...those who had died prior to receiving THE PROMISE which would not come until after CHRIST has entered into HIS GLORY (the GLORY which HE had with the FATHER from before the world ever was)
 
miknik5 said:
Did he have time to follow the law?
in fact was it clear that he hadn't?
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My turn to ask questions: Was baptism part of the law? Did he have time to obey the law before he was put on that cross?

I agree he didn't have time when he was on it. Which makes my point. Don't get me wrong. I believe we should be baptized, as an act of obedience, but that act of baptism is not what saves us.

There are many that go down in baptism as dry sinners and come up wet ones with no change. Our salvation is only based on God's grace through faith. This is the truth behind the law! This is what led to the thief's salvation.
 
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Burninglight said:
My turn to ask questions: Was baptism part of the law? Did he have time to obey the law before he was put on that cross?

I agree he didn't have time when he was on it. Which makes my point. Don't get me wrong. I believe we should be baptized, as an act of obedience, but that act of baptism is not what saves us.

There are many that go down in baptism as dry sinners and come up wet ones with no change. Our salvation is only based on God's grace through faith. This is the truth behind the law! This is what led to the thief's salvation.
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He believed in THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, sir who said today you will be with ME in paradise

that "thief" reveived by a PROMISE and did not have to steal what was given him freely by believing in THE ONE who's words and promises are steadfast and true

is it your position and authority to decide by your physical eyes who should ascend or who should descend?

did you know that those who come in at the very last hour(who didn't have to work in the early hours and did not have to weather the heat and storms of life) will be first?

Even like the thief on the cross who came in at the very very very very last hour


If one has been baptized into CHRIST (something no man can either bring on or deter by water) what man can declare that man unclean?
 
Burninglight said:
My turn to ask questions: Was baptism part of the law? Did he have time to obey the law before he was put on that cross?

I agree he didn't have time when he was on it. Which makes my point. Don't get me wrong. I believe we should be baptized, as an act of obedience, but that act of baptism is not what saves us.

There are many that go down in baptism as dry sinners and come up wet ones with no change. Our salvation is only based on God's grace through faith. This is the truth behind the law! This is what led to the thief's salvation.
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wait? What led to the thief's salvation?

our salvation is based on GOD's grace through faith?

Cdn you finish the remainder of that above sentence?

it isn't very clear

faith in ___________?
 
miknik5 said:
Sir of someone doesn't believe THE GODPEL how are they going to be justified by the law?

you said you read Romans 2 and 3
but if all mouths will be silenced and then law already said none are righteous, how can one profess themselves apart from the truth of the GOSPEL?

and if they could why does Paul preach the righteousness which is of faith and did not want to be found apart from HIS ROYAL ROBES of TOGHTEOUSNESS professing a false sense of his own self-righteousness?

why did Paul want to be found "hidden in HIM"?
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I don't think a person can be justified by the law.



now, regarding a person who has never heard of Jesus


if they seek for glory, honor, and incorruptibility, they may be eligable for eternal life
I believe.
 
Dan_473 said:
I don't think a person can be justified by the law.



now, regarding a person who has never heard of Jesus


if they seek for glory, honor, and incorruptibility, they may be eligable for eternal life
I believe.
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Now we're back to the same question and the whole topic of this thread

tne law will not pass until all has been accomplished

and the GOSPEL will fobto the ends of the world then will the end come

All are being brought into submission under one head, even CHRIST JESUS

But not all are

we dont know all that is subject to HIM
But when all that is subject to HIM is made subject to HIM then will the kingdom be handed back to the father so that GOD will be all and in all


therefore if one does not believe in CHRIST and the TRUTH of THE GOSPEL have they entered into THE KINGDOM
 
royalscot said:
when did law , give you righteousness. you can use as many metaphor s s you want, if it never finds a root, there will be no growth. (weeds will be burned in the fire, along with the lies, that made the weed grow in the first place, according to the book of revelations,) (food for thought)

.4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness.6 Galatians 5


first learn ,who maintains, the christians faith. (when was law the maintainer of faith)(acts 15)

.21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.Galatians 2
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Can you show me just once were I said what you claim? Didn't think so.
 
Am I the only that finds it sad that no matter who manytimes you let it be known that Faith has always been, ( as it was for Abraham) and will always be the basses of Salvation. Yet one needs to be obedient once they turn their life over. Any one that sees that with Law their is nothing to be obedient to, so we must keep the Law if we ar to obedient. That others still seem to think people that follow the Law do so as a means of Salvation. Yet that same group of People get mad when they are asked if they even bother to read a post.
 
Am I the only that finds it sad that no matter who manytimes you let it be known that Faith has always been, ( as it was for Abraham) and will always be the basses of Salvation. Yet one needs to be obedient once they turn their life over. Any one that sees that with Law their is nothing to be obedient to, so we must keep the Law if we ar to obedient. That others still seem to think people that follow the Law do so as a means of Salvation. Yet that same group of People get mad when they are asked if they even bother to read a post.
 
Rainrider said:
Am I the only that finds it sad that no matter who manytimes you let it be known that Faith has always been, ( as it was for Abraham) and will always be the basses of Salvation. Yet one needs to be obedient once they turn their life over. Any one that sees that with Law their is nothing to be obedient to, so we must keep the Law if we ar to obedient. That others still seem to think people that follow the Law do so as a means of Salvation. Yet that same group of People get mad when they are asked if they even bother to read a post.
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As it seems I left out a word or 2, I am re-posting this.

Am I the only one that finds it sad that no matter how many times you let it be known that Faith has always been, (even for Abraham) and will always be the bases of Salvation. Yet one needs to be obedient once they turn their life over. Anyone can see that with out Law, there is nothing to be obedient to. So we that follow the Law, do so out of Obedience. Yet for some that is still seen as salvation by works. HOW??????
 
seed_time_harvest said:
Everyone was counted as coming short of the glory of GOD.
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Of course! Which is why all mouths will be silenced. Because no one will be able to declare themselves justified by the law since the law already declares that there are none who are righteous, that all have sinned, there is none that do right and never sin

so...

how are we justified in the sight of GOD?
 
Rainrider said:
As it seems I left out a word or 2, I am re-posting this.

Am I the only one that finds it sad that no matter how many times you let it be known that Faith has always been, (even for Abraham) and will always be the bases of Salvation. Yet one needs to be obedient once they turn their life over. Anyone can see that with out Law, there is nothing to be obedient to. So we that follow the Law, do so out of Obedience. Yet for some that is still seen as salvation by works. HOW??????
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Of which law do you speak? Jesus said love fulfilled all the law and prophets.
 
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